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EDIT: Funny, given Haruhi's God-like sales I would had figure her return to be more of a threat, but the title barely made an impression. Their positions were in the lower end of the top ten while SAO had become a really big player for this year.
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2011-11-16, 20:51 | Link #582 | |
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All in all, just a weird ranking...
Top 3 is expected, then #4, #7, and #9 = ??? (I've heard of Ame no Hi no Iris). Then, SeiZon somehow fall all the way to #32, surprised that Sakura-sou (#16 last year) didn't even make Top 60 (Okay, I do have personal bias on that, but still...making Top 60 is not THAT hard, right?) Of course, from various Japanese sites, Circlet Girl only get up to #4 b/c something like 163 out of 170 points it got is from collaborators (i.e. Author, Critics, etc.)... As far as Female Character Ranking (It's the most important ranking in the Ko no LN ga Sugoi anyway...), oh well, yet another year of Biribiri. SAO can't quite pull the Index-like sweep last year (#1 in Novel, Male, Female, and Illustrator) and finish #2. Of course, Kuroneko > Kirino and Meat > Yozora = WIN WIN (Surprise that all 4 actually make Top 10 in such a cutthroat competition, though...). Oh, and after the mirage of #3 last year, a certain main heroine falls back to nowhere again. At the end - I've heard of most of the novels in Top 20 (Not that I read all of them...), but something IS off, just too many no name novels for a ranking based on popularity...(Good thing is that they get more exposure, bad thing is that no namer ARE no namer sometimes for a reason...) Quote:
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2011-11-16, 20:56 | Link #583 | |
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Popularity, quality, and sales are different things. FYI, this ranking is poll based, which means it's popularity based. Enkan has been around for some time and was ranked 44th last year. Note the polls ended last month. Rettousei (29) was first released in July, with just 2 volumes when the poll ended. Though people who had voted probably read the web version. But this just indicates how strong it is to get Dengeki to commercialize it. |
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This year instead of a sweep of #1 for Index, it still manage to retain a strong grip on the #2 positions Quote:
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Then again, for it's crazy sales numbers, the return of Haruhi didn't really take the rankings by storm as much as I thought.
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Monogatari series = I really have no clue...unless the newest few is really THAT bad (I'm not a fan of Nisio Isin, so I've no clue...) SeiZon has been Top 10 for 3 years (#7, #5, #7), though. And it's not like its popularity really fall that far (Sugizaki is #10 male...okay, it's the male ranking), nor the other Top 10 last year (Excluding Bungaku Shoujo, which ends as well) fall THAT far, I mean... Index: #1 -> #2 Haganai: #2 -> #6 BakaTest: #3 -> #5 SAO: #4 -> #1 Ben-To: #5 -> #3 Oreimo: #8 -> #11 KamiMemo: #10 -> #14 |
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2011-11-16, 22:00 | Link #588 | |
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http://www.uranus.dti.ne.jp/~t-myst/lightnovel2012.htm
Monogatari was never on the reference list. My surprise wasn't that it dropped in ranking, was more like it showed up at all. I thought they revamped the list so that Kodansha Box label does not qualify (doesn't Kodansha have a new label specifically for LNs now? The winning title of that award thing is getting a short anime that nobody reported anywhere ...). Either way, I don't think Durarara ended before Baccano wwwww. Quote:
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2011-11-16, 22:02 | Link #589 | |
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And Seizon has no new volumes except for spinoffs for more than a year, so I'm not surprised. plus he actually has time and patience to go through the tens of thousands of posts (maybe more) on 2ch on light novels. |
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Well, when you pull out the Status Quo damned thing thats the most obvious result, if the author plans to keep this the novel is gonna fall more in the ranking. |
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2011-11-16, 22:26 | Link #593 | |
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2011-11-16, 22:37 | Link #594 | |
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First, I did make a mistake about DRRR...it's not over yet. But with only 2 volumes come out this year, though, I'm not very surprised that it fell...
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As far as sales v. popularity - The bestselling novels are going to be somewhere among the top no matter what anyway...on the other hand, there's Circlet Girl (Seriously, it has been around for 4 years, never went anywhere, and now suddenly it's 4th...) EDIT: Just noticed another surprised omission in Papa no Iukoto o Kikinasai. I mean, knowing that it sales ~30k per volume, at least it's not an unknown and can't even make Top 60, right? Another Edit: Latest volume of Rettousei (Just released) sale ~50k first week. So it definitely has a following. Last edited by ion475; 2011-11-16 at 22:54. |
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2011-11-16, 22:38 | Link #595 |
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Already read that, but i can't deduce where the author plan to take the series to from that teaser XD. It kinda look like a school romcom introduction with a little bit of action setting though. Do I guess it right?
2 to 3 volume per year is actually the norm for the plot heavier title though. Kami memo also only produce 2 volume a year on average(maybe even less). Index's author is just that fast for producing 4-5 300 pages book a year. |
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I was about to say "But he slowed down to just 3 books", then remembered he's also rewriting [Heavy Object] as well as the Railgun Manga & PSP scenario and another game for Square Enix... -_-
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The 2012 ranking almost seems like mixing two rankings of completely different natures into one, and departs from the previous year's ranking which was more or less a more sophisticated version of annual sales chart. I suspect that with the increasing popularity of the ranking there was a large influx of causal readers voting in the polls for 2011, diluting the collaborator votes and turning the ranking into a sales chart. To fix the problem and restore the reputation of the ranking, the weight of collaborator votes have been significantly increased in the 2012 ranking. Of course you can never please both sides. This time the mainstream readers scream unfairness. This is exactly what Shouji Gatou (FMP author) described in 2005 as a discrepancy between the taste of mainstream readers and critics which makes an all-purpose light novel ranking obsolete. But then what is the point of creating an independent light novel ranking if it is simply another bestseller list? In fact for multiple instances the ranking had picked up gems of the industry ignored by the public. Getting Haruhi or Index in a light novel list is a no-brainer and I think even some random Naruto/Bleach-loving teens in the US can do so without reading one single light novel. But getting quality titles like Mimizuku, All You Need Is Kill, とある飛空士への追憶, ある日、爆弾がおちてきて shows the reference value of the list. Getting Idolizing and Iris in top 10 is more like allowing the ranking to return to its original purpose instead of pushing the ranking to depart from it (like many mainstream readers feel right now). On the other hand, if the mainstream readers shows too much of a displeasure, there is a good chance that the 2012 ranking will increase the weight of public votes again. After all, the publisher of the ranking relies on the mainstream readers instead of critics for the sales. Another strangeness is that the mainstream entries in the top 10 are mostly titles from last year's top 10. In fact only SAO is the newcomer. This probably illustrates the problem of the industry in finding a heavy-weight successor to Index/Haruhi rather than some inherent shortcomings of the ranking. Anyway I include the sales figure of the latest bunko and media mix progress of the 2012 top 10s for your reference. Those with "?" are having too miserable sales (below 10k) to have their figures listed. As you can probably expect, fans of series with 30k-100k sales per book are rioting right now . For me, as long as I can see Iris at any place in top 50 I won't complain at all, but seeing it in top 10 is a pleasant surprise. SAO 100k Index 200k Bento 10k Circlet ? Bakatest 200k Haganai 250k Occult ? Haruhi 400k Idolizing ? Iris ? Anime adaptation done: Index, Haruhi, Bento, Haganao Anime adaptaion announced: SAO Drama CD: Idolizing No media mix project at all: Circlet, Occult, Iris Quote:
You know there are summary sites for 2ch threads. There are too many of them (hundreds or even thousands) for one to simultaneously pay attention to unless he was an AI. EDIT: Top 10 for the public with no regard of collaborator votes: SAO (1) Index (2) Haganai (6) Monogatari Bento (3) Bakatest (5) Oreimo (11) Haruhi (8) Kamimemo (14) Kokoro Connect (12)
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Minus the lesser known titles (Kokoro Connect survived!) it doesn't look too drastically different from- Oh wait, Monogatari magically found its way back up Just how much did they hate it ?! EDIT: Out of curiosity, I can understand the critics having a hand in the rankings of the series and authors, but do they have a say in the rankings of the characters ? Do they even want to get involved ?
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Well that's... Unexpected I thought the Monogatari series was suppose to be crazy complex and witty so critics love that stuff I don't suppose you have the list of Top 10 for the collaborator with no regard of the public?
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