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About the Tea Party... look it up. Tea Party less popular than Muslims. Whatever "power" they had, it has waned. This is all due to the debt ceiling debate. It showed them for who they really are.
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2011-08-19, 16:51 | Link #324 |
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The GOP has far greater control of the media streams. Within days of the Warren Buffett article to call on increased tax rates on the rich -- Fox News is littered with the two word sound bite: "Class Warfare". They're extremely fast with their messaging.
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2011-08-19, 16:57 | Link #325 | |
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At 32 years old, you are far too old to have an excuse on such ignorant statements.
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2011-08-19, 17:00 | Link #326 |
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Other than HuffPo... all your listings are "corporate media" (even NPR which gets barely any public funding any more). Characterizing them as "left" or "right" kind of misses the point --- they are *corporate* and not "main street".
Out of the pack.... basically choices for anyone who can think past more than two dots in a row has to look at Huntsman, Ron Paul, perhaps? The other choices are either lock-stock BigCorpUberAlles, TheocratCrazy, or some unholy amalgam of the two concepts.
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2011-08-19, 17:08 | Link #327 | |
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Vexx your tendencies to go single out the GOP while ignoring the Democratic Party when they are miss-behaving, or worse, involved in criminal behavior, is hypocrytical at best. |
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2011-08-19, 17:09 | Link #328 |
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I wouldn't lump in NPR, I've listened to them, and I'd rate them as being a pretty good station, though admittedly I don't listen to their news content much.
Personally I use the BBC and Al-Jazeera as my primary ports of call, I find them the best news organisations at the moment. BBC Newsnight is very good, if you can get it. They report the fact, and leave guests to express opinions. Al Jazeera is great if you want a slightly different perspective on global affairs, and is actually the most internationalist channel I know (BBC understandeably focuses on the UK a bit). @Justinstrife: generally all American News TV is awful (newspapers are generally fine), and Fox stands at the very top. I'd shift to non-american news channels. |
2011-08-19, 17:21 | Link #329 | |
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CNN, left leaning? God no, they might as well change their name to Fox-lite. They friggin hired Erick Erickson for god's sake. Even NBC barely qualifies, what with Scarborough, good ole Chris Matthews who always loved him some Palin and Bachmann, not to mention resident bigot Pat Buchanan. Even without them, the only person on that network who really has an actual liberal point of view is Maddow. But on the whole, most of them are just corporate shills. And if you're seriously comparing the others to Fox in terms of how much influence and power they have, coupled with an extreme viewpoint, you are waaayyy off base. |
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2011-08-19, 17:23 | Link #330 | |
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That being said, just to add a few facts, News Corp (which owns Fox News) is the world's largest news conglomerate and the world's second-largest media conglomerate (behind Disney). So, News Corp and Fox News easily trumps almost everything you just mentioned (Fox News doesn't compete against non-cable news programs). Added to that, on any given night the ratings for any individual hour of Fox News equals (or is greater than) all other cable news programs in that same hour combined (save for ESPN). And this doesn't even cover the conservative am radio sphere (Rush alone gets anywhere from 15-20 million listeners per week, and Arbitron generally has at least 8 conservative commentators in their Top 10 every week (Ed Shultz is the only progressive commentator to regularly break the Top 10)... Again, this is not the thread to discuss the media, but I felt it was prudent to establish some actual facts concerning the state of the media, and not actually discuss the inherent bias of all America's news media. Last edited by james0246; 2011-08-19 at 17:33. |
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I grew up with a Eisenhower/TeddyRoosevelt style of GOP... one that supported Main Street over Wall Street. one that didn't spin the dial on zealot religious distractions. This is the "GOP" in name only as far as I'm concerned with fringe idiots overrunning the tent.
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2011-08-19, 17:49 | Link #332 |
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The Democratic Party has plenty of things for you to set fire to in the past decade Vexx. This forum disnt exist during the 80's and most of the 90's so your defense is a bit shallow for this particular forum.
Alas, I just do not have the free time to debate everyone on this forum with my schedule, especially now that 90% off my time online is from my phone. I wish I did, as you guys are giving me enough work to qualify as a 3rd job. The most I can participate, is an hour or two worth of posting a week, so pardon me for my long absences, and my inability to respond to everyone properly. You deserve more than a single paragraph or no reaponse at all. This sub section might as well be called democraticunderground-lite for the heavy slant. At least unlike there, you guys dont ban members for opposing political views. |
2011-08-19, 18:05 | Link #333 | |
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For the record, I'm a Christian, who is politically aligned near the center-left.
When it comes to issues like abortion, gay marriage, and the like -- I'll side with the right. However, I can also come to realize that these issues can be settled amongst the churches themselves. Under the protection of the First Amendment, churches should be able to apply policies aligned with Biblical principle on their own without interference from the government. When it comes to economic policy, I am very much against the GOP, as they're heavily corporate. Are there corporates among the Democratic Party? You betcha. The BS that's happening to this country right now - that's all due to the level of corporate power controlling the government (via lobbying, campaign funding, etc.). And this crap needs to stop. Quote:
And I lash out at Fox News because it is so blantantly far-right, it is disgusting hearing them.
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2011-08-19, 18:31 | Link #334 | |
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Oregon, in particular, is heavy with small business - most of the jobs come from small business. Oregon small businesses would *love* to have a single payer plan that the general population funds because it gets the problem out of their hair. But wait, the GOP signed up with Aetna et al and purchased enough Dems to hwork up the bill so badly its a joke to call it Obamacare, more like Aetna/Humana/etc-care. At least I was able to get health insurance for my two sons up to 26 (who can't afford health insurance as individuals, one is a student and one is sole-proprietor like I am, we all get the crappy insurance we've got through wife's company and it has a $5000 deductible with no preventative waiver, no other choice). And, in addition to being wrong on math and wrong on economics these days, the GOP is fielding some of the most pathetic candidates I can ever remember seeing from either party. Its rapidly looking like the 2 or 3 candidates who can do math are on the short tracks. In my opinion, the GOP needs about a 20 year time out to cast out its demons and re-invent itself. I'd love a third party but the game is rigged for two. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT: after working a bit and reflecting... if justin is referring to *California's* state Dem crowd, I'm somewhat on board with him for that. THEY have been a major clusterfsck when it comes to state politics, state economics, and state policy. Governor Arnie, as a liberal Republican, seemed to be actually trying to fix the budget with a "some pain all around" sensibility but the establishment Dem caucus and their union lobbies were having none of it. The more Arnold bent, the less they wanted to play. Kind of a mirror version of Obama and the GOP federal congress.. both cases of intransigence and don't-let-them-have-any-credit-at-any-cost breaking the country/state.
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Aye, whatever happened to the republicans that complained about the insidious military-industrial complex.
However, 2nd parties have dissappeared from American politics before, remember the Whigs? However usually it takes an another party to give the killing blow, I haven't seen one pop up yet. It won't happen this election cycle at least. I think the best tactic for the Dems at the moment is to concentrate less on the presidency, and more on nailing the republican congressmen that are very unpopular at the moment. And when even the Dems screw up over the next term (and let's face it, they probably will), then we might see people finally try and make a 3rd party alternative. Perhaps Ross Perot ran 20 years too early. I can't say whether the next 3rd party will come from the right or from the left, unfortunately there's no really inflamatory issue like slavery to unite anyone together. EDIT: And for those of you still in despair, Jessie Ventura did win as a 3rd party candidate in Minnesota for governor, with a paltry ($300,000) campaign budget. The right candidate at the right time... Last edited by DonQuigleone; 2011-08-19 at 19:14. |
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The difficulty NOW with a third party coming up is that over the last 50 years the two dodgy parties (Dem and Gop) have "gamed the system" to make it extraordinarily difficult for a new party to arise. It ranges from cutting them out of debates to various moves to keep them off ballots at the local level.
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We just need the right candidates, with the right platform at the right time. I think we're close to the right time, and I'm pretty sure someone out of the 300 million people who live in the USA will come up with the platform, which can get the candidates to go with it. The national mood in the US has never been so eager for a 3rd party alternative. EDIT: Speaking of the media, Ron Paul had interesting things to say about Beck and O'Reilly Last edited by DonQuigleone; 2011-08-19 at 20:23. |
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