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View Poll Results: Aquarion EVOL - Episode 23 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 18.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 20.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 12.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.62% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 4.62% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.54% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.15% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 3.08% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 1.54% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 18 | 27.69% | |
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2012-06-09, 05:51 | Link #481 | |
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The original show just as bad and isn't make sense either. I do not believe anyone (or just say it, most people) that follow the "franchise" because thinking the original is "good show" they remember it as super silly and dumb mecha show but kinda entertaining just because the romance flick. Me too thinking the "twist" is hella dumb and must be the worst asspull that I ever know, but to thinking its even destroying the original.. LOL Just no, its still in the nature of the series anyway which is stupidity. Yeah that's the nature of the series.
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2012-06-09, 08:01 | Link #482 | |||||
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Please read this. That post, by the way, was made in the hope of reconciling Amata's biggest fans (you, kuro, etc...) with Zessica's biggest fans. But I can see now that was a fruitless endeavor. And I can see now that you're totally set on hating Zessica, so there's probably no point in me debating this much further with you. Your firm hatred of Zessica is why you refuse to even consider that Zessica may have been romantically interested in Amata prior to Episode 8, because if she was, you no longer get to put her flirting in a nefarious "irresponsible/reckless" light, do you? Personally, I always thought that Zessica's flirting with Amata meant she was interested in him, from the very first time she did it. It simply took a while before she became fully cognizant of this herself.
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2012-06-09, 08:25 | Link #483 |
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I love how there is one side to this argument that openly admits they not only won't consider the arguments put before them but that they will not even read them. Pretty much makes the whole discussion pointless.
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2012-06-09, 21:49 | Link #485 | |
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Regardless of the other two mentioned, I doubt Frontier would've stalled him. He must've come up with the idea during the creation of the two movies. It would explain why things are so poorly written in this series. However, the fact of the matter is, it is obvious to any sane person watching this show that the story is not planned very well, stating easily that it was rushed. It is obvious that he created this story during the process of the second movie for Frontier. He didn't create EVOL during the process of creating the series of Frontier. It had to be recent. Rumors didn't start until after the first movie of Frontier hit BD. Regarding whether this new twist is a troll or not... I'll wait till they so-called "explain everything." I have doubts that he decided to continue the series based on the number of fans. This is his most uninteresting series in the fan base. It has less than even Zero. So, in that retrospect, it had to be a spur of the moment, thus adding to our thoughts that this is rushed. I mean, the pacing up until now has been absolutely horrible and continues to be so.
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2012-06-10, 01:52 | Link #486 |
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This twist of Apollo being Pollon is horribly done
Why? because this should have been done back during the original series and gone through the proper steps and because this wasn't done in the correct steps, this twist looks horribly out of place and most of the story falls apart making it impossible for me to take it seriously For example, I can no longer look at Apollonius and Celiane as some kind of love of miracle cause I know 12000 years later his dog will NTR him I can no longer take Apollo seriously when he was acting like Apollonius cause all I see is a dog pretending to be his master Don't get me started on Touma, he was suppose to be the "go to" guy for reincarnation reveals but now that he apparently mistaken Apollonius for a dog I can't see him being anything but a joke last time I saw a post saying Fudou and Rena were probably laughing in their minds everytime Apollo and Touma talked to each other And people are saying Apollo is a human cause he reincarnated, yeah about that he has shown beastly traits even when he is Apollo before this twist it can be assumed it's just because he was never taught manners and was not in touch with human society but now that he is revealed to be an actual reincarnation of a dog. Well this does not make good pictures. Most importantly, Apollo and Silvia, people are saying how they managed to defy fate and end up together but that is not what I see, since Silvia never seem to recognize Apollo as Pollon, what I end up seeing is Apollo deceiving everyone and hijacking Apollonius and Celiane's promise, yes he didn't lie about anything but still in the end everyone ends up mistaking him as Apollonius so the fact it was never brought up makes that entire concept very unsatisfying |
2012-06-10, 02:25 | Link #487 | |
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2012-06-10, 02:28 | Link #488 |
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It turns out Sophia was right. The constant gattai between Silvia and Apollo allowed Silvia to experience Apollo's memory of Baron. Sophia explains Apollo may mistake Silvia's memory of the previous life as his own. Reika in the OVA dreaming of Celiane and Apollonius was convinced she was Celiane. It turns out she was Scorpius the third original pilot of Aquarion. We'll have to note that Silvia not Celiane loved Apollo from the very beginning even if she did not know about it at first. Because she's the reincarnation of her alternate universe self. Spoiler for Apollo, Silvia and Reika reincarnated in the TV universe:
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2012-06-10, 04:22 | Link #489 |
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I'm not saying the twist itself is bad I said it was horrible handled
Stuff like this should have been revealed during the original series If they wanted to do this whole defying fate thing then they should have done it back then What we ended up with is what we thought was a story about a love lasting 12000 years is actually about the reincarnation of a dog defying fate and NTRing his master and didn't even know about it until a few years AFTER it ended What's more I will actually admit it I hate the twist itself too just because no one actually confirmed who Apollo was doesn't make it alright to make him a dog I have not seen the OVAs but I heard it somewhat confirms Apollo as Apollonius in it, I'm not going to use that to bash the twist instead I'm going to make a point about Touma, apparently in the OVA I heard Touma made a remark that confirmed Apollo as Apollonius and now in this episode I learned that he was actually deceived and was mistaken creating no plothole but instead now I laugh everytime I see Touma speak Basically the problem is not whether this makes sense or not, it's that Aquarion never feels the same to me again. |
2012-06-10, 04:31 | Link #490 |
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Yes, we've seen these a million times. And they still don't mean anything given that the whole dog storyline didn't go anywhere in the original series (and neither did the Reika=Sirius, regardless of the OVAs, because in the end it was completely irrelevant). No amount of screencaps will explain why, after a TV series, two OVAs, a movie, a novelization, a manga and a bunch of drama CDs no-one even thought of the possibility of Apollo being the reincarnation of Pollon. It doesn't explain why the dog was never made relevant in the series (never mind the OVAs) and stopped appearing and even being mentioned at episode 16. Just because it's possible to connect this twist to the series doesn't mean that it actually makes any sense in light of the actual plot and development in Genesis. It turns the whole reincarnation angle into a joke. It turns Touma into a complete and utter idiot. It makes the entire story a joke, and not even in a good way. The only logical explanation: may be they wanted this originally, but in the end they scrapped the idea and never returned to it, even when they had the opportunity - until Evol when Kawamori took the wrong type of drugs or something. It's a retcon, plain and simple. |
2012-06-10, 05:40 | Link #491 |
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Actually the dog was seen in episode 25 in the flashback of Touma.
Touma was right that the Wings of the Sun Apollonius is Aquarion. He was wrong on the spiritual remnant that became human. Spoiler for What Touma got right and what he got wrong.:
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2012-06-10, 06:21 | Link #492 |
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*whistles* I'm impressed yet again. So Kawamori had the nerve to put Pollon on screen with Apollonius in ep 25 while Toma talked about how Apollonius was reborn into a new form. I can't help but like such audacious trolling. I was already persuaded based on the other evidence that Apollo not being Apollonius + Apollo being Pollon was either planned all along or deliberately left open as a possibility (because there were far too many things to be coincidences), but at this point, I'm more inclined to believe it was planned all along. It's as if ep 25, for example, is saying to us that "Hahaha, you never would have paid attention to this picture before, but it is here, and Toma is being trolled too".
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2012-06-10, 06:33 | Link #493 | |
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So, yeah, my opinion is still the same. Actually, Touma was talking only about Aquarion=The Wings of the Sun. |
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2012-06-10, 06:49 | Link #494 |
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The "he was reborn into a new form in the land of the wingless" bit, spoken while showing Apollonius and Pollon, you mean? Checking that now, that's correct; guess Kawamori couldn't have been saying "Toma's being trolled!" over that particular line, since he was at least correct about Aquarion. Although my, he certainly got trolled.
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2012-06-10, 06:54 | Link #495 |
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You're pretty ma about the dog thing aren't you?
The point is Touma always knew about Wing of the Sun=Aquarion=Apollonius. What he was wrong about is that Apollonius spiritual ramains reincarnated as a human in Apollo. You see he tried to jog Apollo's memory about how Apollonius and Touma love each other. But Apollo can only remember the love between Apollonius and Celiane... Because doesn't have those memories in the first place. You see Apollonius soul remained in Aquarion. What disappeared was his body upon death. Touma made an assumption because his wing reading ability was flawless. Arrogance was Touma's mistake. |
2012-06-10, 07:19 | Link #497 |
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Well, Kuromitsu already said on this page that no matter what evidence is brought up from Genesis, it doesn't matter unless it was made to look relevant at the time of that series (and has said that it didn't look at all relevant). So ReddyRedWolf must already be aware of that. By definition, there is no evidence which can ever satisfy Kuro.
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2012-06-10, 07:24 | Link #498 | |
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2012-06-10, 07:25 | Link #499 |
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Not "mad" per se, but I think it's incredibly crappy writing, no matter how many "clues" it may have had in the previous series, because of stuff I've said about a million times before. It would've been perfectly fine if it was only Amata and Kagura, but this way? it's just stupid. (And I say this as someone who wasn't even a huge fan of Genesis.)
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2012-06-10, 07:37 | Link #500 | |
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(a) would naturally be distasteful to anyone who finds the dog plot twist a punch in the gut and would like to be confident that Genesis couldn't possibly have been planned with the twist in mind, in order to preserve the memory of the first series. (b)...Well, asking why some people would like the plot twist when you didn't like it is its own answer. It's a matter of preference. Personally, I don't find the plot twist a punch in the gut, and I don't believe it ruins any of the romance in Genesis at all. And I appreciate the twist on its pure trollery value. So I find the plot twist fun. For people who cared a lot about the reincarnation romances being Apollonius/Celiane and think that them being changed makes a mockery of the series, yes, I can certainly see why they would be really upset. But we still need to wait and see what the next few episodes hold. Who knows what's going to happen before the end? |
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