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haseo0408 · 2017-09-09, 23:29

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Originally Posted by Stark700

Well, it didn't take a huge mech, powerful magic, or a military to stop Altair in the end. It was more of a connection between certain characters.

One more episode left and they still haven't mentioned Selestia at all since her death. I guess she really won't come back?

I have the feeling we will have answers in that regard in the final episode, still hoping Selesia will comeback, she and everybody else earn a happy ending for all this.

Convoy · 2017-09-10, 03:37

Wow, this episode was a real emotion ride.

serenade_beta · 2017-09-10, 04:17

Spoiler for ep21:

justpassingby · 2017-09-10, 05:33

I'm glad that I've cancelled the BDs preorders. What a waste of time. If Hiroe and Aoki wanted to show that Altair and Setsuna were so important, then do it since the first episode.

Don't bother with other characters whose "development" if any and if meaningful, and the death of characters, when all was not even reflected by Altair or Setsuna. The fights were boring, and pointless even before ECF. I loled looking at Japanese twitters saying what a touching scene, even accompanied with the 泣

it was between Setsuna and Altair, characters that I don't give a fuck about.

If the characters that got killed are revived next week, then it will debase everything.
If they're not, then why a terrible villain (painted by most of the cast with most of the screen time) or "MC" (whatever Hiroe was smoking) should get a happy ending?

Well, at least it felt good to tell Hiroe that he sucks, even though I was blocked by him later. Pretty sure there was another Japanese twitter that was blocked by Hiroe when I went through #レクリエイターズ tag last week.

xizro345 · 2017-09-10, 05:39

I think some comments may be a little overreaction. This ending was coming since a long time, especially when Meteora said a long time ago Creations couldn't save the world but creators could. It also fits thematically with everything the series laid out until now.

A deus ex machina resolution was foreshadowed a long time ago.
And I''d like to point out Sota was never labelled as the main character and even the last interview I posted reiterated it.

justpassingby · 2017-09-10, 05:46

Just because the creators of this abomination said this and that and foreshadowed this and that, this and that do not mean they are acceptable, good, or even entertaining.

Edit: I was talking about Altair being the MC btw.

James Rye · 2017-09-10, 06:17

If I were a watcher in that audience I would have been bored. And pissed. Like who was that girl? Why was she so important? How come she wasn't foreshadowed/build up in all the previous stories leading up to this chamber festival? Why is Altair suddenly acting like that? How come all the others and their sacrifices MEANT NOTHING!? What the hell???
Kinda like that.
I dunno, this episode felt very detached from all its previous ones, like it was an entire separate story.

devilo96 · 2017-09-10, 06:24

Eps 21.....where is my fucking tissue.....damn a good way to solve the series
Now what happend to the creation?
A.back their own world
B.cant get back to their world
C.metoara and sota ship finally sail
D.ur own answer

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-09-10, 06:40

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Originally Posted by James Rye

If I were a watcher in that audience I would have been bored. And pissed. Like who was that girl? Why was she so important? How come she wasn't foreshadowed/build up in all the previous stories leading up to this chamber festival? Why is Altair suddenly acting like that?

About the bolded part, Nakanogane already said one episode ago that they did include Setsuna in the Prequel as Altair's creator. That's why the audience know who she is and her relation to Altair as well as Altair's motives.

xizro345 · 2017-09-10, 07:11

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Originally Posted by justpassingby

Just because the creators of this abomination said this and that and foreshadowed this and that, this and that do not mean they are acceptable, good, or even entertaining.

Edit: I was talking about Altair being the MC btw.

I've seen far worse to consider this an "abomination". And I think it's pretty entertaining so far. Despite some issues (not the ones you're mentioning) it's decent, overall.

Honestly, I don't see the point of all the snark at it.

justpassingby · 2017-09-10, 07:24

Are we playing 'who has watch or read the most' now?

. It's still an abomination for me, not entertaining and the purpose of snarking is to let the creators of this abomination know that not everyone going to eat whatever they were thrown into their faces.

It doesn't mean I'm not letting you enjoy whatever this show is.

deadite · 2017-09-10, 07:28

@justpassingby
Grow up. Re:Creators is no means a masterpiece but being snide and mocking people who actually worked hard to produce anime is immature. It's one thing to criticize a work and another to mock the people who made it. Your complete lack of empathy betrays the kind of person you are.

blakstealth · 2017-09-10, 07:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilo96

Eps 21.....where is my fucking tissue.....damn a good way to solve the series
Now what happend to the creation?
A.back their own world
B.cant get back to their world
C.metoara and sota ship finally sail
D.ur own answer

e. Sota and Magane

justpassingby · 2017-09-10, 07:40

As if the staffs actually have empathy towards their characters who are not the boring two mains in the latest episode. I don't think it is that hard to write a terrible story like this, so I don't think calling a teribble thing as a terrible thing is a terrible thing. If we're not allowed to mock, why is the word "mock" even exist? I'm not even mocking any of you?

Grow up, will you? Not everyone is going to either praise or shut up about this s

drawr · 2017-09-10, 09:59

In the penultimate episode this show tried to get me to empathize with the sadistic character who killed Mamika, Alice and orchestrated Selesia's death. And who also is trying to end the world and pretend it was an admirable cause. It did not work but I'm impressed by how low it stooped. I had no expectations given my issues with this show's earlier episodes, but whew.

Shadow5YA · 2017-09-10, 15:32

I'll withhold judgment until I see the next episode, which I'm hoping will be the epilogue. Hopefully Magane and Altair don't get away for free.

I supposed Hiroe wanted to write some romantic message that any fan creation can get a loving following, but that doesn't actually paint a pretty picture considering both Altair and Magane are murderers. Getting Setsuna to stay alive for free just because Altair says she can is also a fairly cheap copout for a happy ending that trivializes the weight of her death. Sota drawing a person who existed in real life is also not the same as writing fiction, so I'm not sure why he and the story pretends as if he's a real Creator now.

BBOvenGuy · 2017-09-10, 15:57

Okay, that was just... weird.

On one level, it made perfect sense. Altair wasn't going to be stopped by force, because the audience wanted her to be invincible. The only way to stop her was to go after her motivation, to address the source of her pain and anger. Setsuna was the only thing that could stop her. Meanwhile, Magane's power to turn lies into truth had already been established, so using it to introduce a replica of Setsuna was entirely workable. It all came together.

On another level, it made no sense. After all the buildup and all the action of the past several episodes, the solution comes down to what is essentially a "two-hander" between characters we haven't really been rooting for or even thinking about for much of the show, while all the heroes we've been following are either dead or just standing around doing nothing.

Those two points only fit as a coherent whole if Altair is the main character of the story - which she isn't, or at least she hasn't looked that way from where I've been watching.

Very, very weird.

4th Dimension · 2017-09-10, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

About the bolded part, Nakanogane already said one episode ago that they did include Setsuna in the Prequel as Altair's creator. That's why the audience know who she is and her relation to Altair as well as Altair's motives.

The recursivity of this story is making it hard to talk about this. But let's for the sake of the argument, call our world IRL, call the Re:Creators world where Souta is and the Festival the universe of the story the audience was being shown. Of course the audience doesn't know that the Festival = Re:Creator's world.

So what you are saying is that the audience was ENCHANTED by the "noble" goal of the Altair in the Festival to ANNIHILATE and MURDER all the people of the Festival world because her Creator died.....
Frankly I don't even....
You know what? I TOTALLY wouldn't mind Altair taking her time murdering any of those "Enchanted" audience members....
And given the response form the Japanese audience and some here... I don't even too about that... What to say that wouldn't be horrible.... Then I better say nothing, considering how utterly WRONG I consider this...

PS: Destroying the world is NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER ever a right thing to do and only a despicable villain might wish for it.

4th Dimension · 2017-09-10, 16:09

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Originally Posted by BBOvenGuy

Those two points only fit as a coherent whole if Altair is the main character of the story - which she isn't, or at least she hasn't looked that way from where I've been watching.

Unfortunately in universe, and apparently to some too, Altair IS the MC. Only she is the MC of Setsunas's revenge fanfic. And as is common for the new writers her OC or pet character is the OP Mary Sue.
Which I guess also makes the Setsuna kinda a crummy writer too.

deadite · 2017-09-10, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

The recursivity of this story is making it hard to talk about this. But let's for the sake of the argument, call our world IRL, call the Re:Creators world where Souta is and the Festival the universe of the story the audience was being shown. Of course the audience doesn't know that the Festival = Re:Creator's world.

So what you are saying is that the audience was ENCHANTED by the "noble" goal of the Altair in the Festival to ANNIHILATE and MURDER all the people of the Festival world because her Creator died.....
Frankly I don't even....
You know what? I TOTALLY wouldn't mind Altair taking her time murdering any of those "Enchanted" audience members....
And given the response form the Japanese audience and some here... I don't even too about that... What to say that wouldn't be horrible.... Then I better say nothing, considering how utterly WRONG I consider this...

PS: Destroying the world is NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER ever a right thing to do and only a despicable villain might wish for it.

No you got it all wrong. The audience wanted to see where Altair's story would lead her, most likely how she will stop destroying the world despite her OPness and origins

2017-09-10, 04:17	Link #2383
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for ep21: (ﾟДﾟ) The most f***** painful anime scene this year when the protagonist spouted out his... his... UGH! What really sucked was that there was actually a scene after that, since I wanted so badly to just close the episode there. Anyways, thank god it finally ends next episode. Wow, I almost want to tell my friend to pick the anime back up just to experience this. He thought it was bad back before Mamika died and dropped it, but man, he wouldn't know what was coming next. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2017-09-10, 05:33	Link #2384
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	I'm glad that I've cancelled the BDs preorders. What a waste of time. If Hiroe and Aoki wanted to show that Altair and Setsuna were so important, then do it since the first episode. Don't bother with other characters whose "development" if any and if meaningful, and the death of characters, when all was not even reflected by Altair or Setsuna. The fights were boring, and pointless even before ECF. I loled looking at Japanese twitters saying what a touching scene, even accompanied with the 泣 it was between Setsuna and Altair, characters that I don't give a fuck about. If the characters that got killed are revived next week, then it will debase everything. If they're not, then why a terrible villain (painted by most of the cast with most of the screen time) or "MC" (whatever Hiroe was smoking) should get a happy ending? Well, at least it felt good to tell Hiroe that he sucks, even though I was blocked by him later. Pretty sure there was another Japanese twitter that was blocked by Hiroe when I went through #レクリエイターズ tag last week. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物 Last edited by justpassingby; 2017-09-10 at 06:37.

2017-09-10, 05:46	Link #2386
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Just because the creators of this abomination said this and that and foreshadowed this and that, this and that do not mean they are acceptable, good, or even entertaining. Edit: I was talking about Altair being the MC btw. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物 Last edited by justpassingby; 2017-09-10 at 06:37.

2017-09-10, 06:17	Link #2387
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	If I were a watcher in that audience I would have been bored. And pissed. Like who was that girl? Why was she so important? How come she wasn't foreshadowed/build up in all the previous stories leading up to this chamber festival? Why is Altair suddenly acting like that? How come all the others and their sacrifices MEANT NOTHING!? What the hell??? Kinda like that. I dunno, this episode felt very detached from all its previous ones, like it was an entire separate story. __________________

2017-09-10, 07:24	Link #2391
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	Are we playing 'who has watch or read the most' now? . It's still an abomination for me, not entertaining and the purpose of snarking is to let the creators of this abomination know that not everyone going to eat whatever they were thrown into their faces. It doesn't mean I'm not letting you enjoy whatever this show is. __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-10, 03:37	Link #2382
Convoy Knight of Infinity Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Island 1, Macross Frontier	Wow, this episode was a real emotion ride.

2017-09-10, 05:39	Link #2385
xizro345 King's Justice Join Date: Apr 2004	I think some comments may be a little overreaction. This ending was coming since a long time, especially when Meteora said a long time ago Creations couldn't save the world but creators could. It also fits thematically with everything the series laid out until now. A deus ex machina resolution was foreshadowed a long time ago. And I''d like to point out Sota was never labelled as the main character and even the last interview I posted reiterated it.

2017-09-10, 06:24	Link #2388
devilo96 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015	Eps 21.....where is my fucking tissue.....damn a good way to solve the series Now what happend to the creation? A.back their own world B.cant get back to their world C.metoara and sota ship finally sail D.ur own answer

2017-09-10, 07:28	Link #2392
deadite Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	@justpassingby Grow up. Re:Creators is no means a masterpiece but being snide and mocking people who actually worked hard to produce anime is immature. It's one thing to criticize a work and another to mock the people who made it. Your complete lack of empathy betrays the kind of person you are.

2017-09-10, 07:40	Link #2394
justpassingby Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cyberjaya, Malaysia Age: 38	As if the staffs actually have empathy towards their characters who are not the boring two mains in the latest episode. I don't think it is that hard to write a terrible story like this, so I don't think calling a teribble thing as a terrible thing is a terrible thing. If we're not allowed to mock, why is the word "mock" even exist? I'm not even mocking any of you? Grow up, will you? Not everyone is going to either praise or shut up about this s __________________ 一生　忘れられないよ　ずっとずっと　大事な贈り物一生　忘れられないよ　きっときっと　こいつは宝物

2017-09-10, 09:59	Link #2395
drawr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	In the penultimate episode this show tried to get me to empathize with the sadistic character who killed Mamika, Alice and orchestrated Selesia's death. And who also is trying to end the world and pretend it was an admirable cause. It did not work but I'm impressed by how low it stooped. I had no expectations given my issues with this show's earlier episodes, but whew.

2017-09-10, 15:32	Link #2396
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	I'll withhold judgment until I see the next episode, which I'm hoping will be the epilogue. Hopefully Magane and Altair don't get away for free. I supposed Hiroe wanted to write some romantic message that any fan creation can get a loving following, but that doesn't actually paint a pretty picture considering both Altair and Magane are murderers. Getting Setsuna to stay alive for free just because Altair says she can is also a fairly cheap copout for a happy ending that trivializes the weight of her death. Sota drawing a person who existed in real life is also not the same as writing fiction, so I'm not sure why he and the story pretends as if he's a real Creator now.

2017-09-10, 15:57	Link #2397
BBOvenGuy Math Ninja Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ventura County CA Age: 59	Okay, that was just... *weird*. On one level, it made perfect sense. Altair wasn't going to be stopped by force, because the audience wanted her to be invincible. The only way to stop her was to go after her motivation, to address the source of her pain and anger. Setsuna was the only thing that could stop her. Meanwhile, Magane's power to turn lies into truth had already been established, so using it to introduce a replica of Setsuna was entirely workable. It all came together. On another level, it made no sense. After all the buildup and all the action of the past several episodes, the solution comes down to what is essentially a "two-hander" between characters we haven't really been rooting for or even thinking about for much of the show, while all the heroes we've been following are either dead or just standing around doing nothing. Those two points only fit as a coherent whole if Altair is the main character of the story - which she isn't, or at least she hasn't looked that way from where I've been watching. Very, very weird.