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In theory; but what you're talking about is a form of mind altering technique where you essentially change a person's fundamental character and personality. I don't think a simple therapy would work for most individuals otherwise there wouldn't be so many Level 1s and 0s. And don't forget in the Dark May project, both surviving test subjects had a part of Accelerator's personality input into them as well via supercomputer.
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2012-10-30, 09:43 | Link #1002 |
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Well I was thinking that Tabikake or someone with similiar ability will be able to come up with new input/ values that are helpful for power development but different for each individual since he can see whats "lacking". Tabikake can find what the person is lacking to be certain level.
The therapy and Dark May were just ways/processes that I am suggesting for someone with Tabikake's ability can understand a little of each individual personal reality and then help them realize whats missing. |
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Some how, I get the feeling you're misinterpreting Tabikake's skill set...
Regardless, I doubt it's as easy as you've said; there's a reason why so few test subjects have positive results from those experiments. If therapy was all you need, they would have grabbed a few mindreaders to help out.
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2012-11-04, 00:05 | Link #1006 |
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personal reality........... for now we can't say that Touma's personal reality can affect it because by the words of the magician around him that knows the real nature of Imagine Breaker. It can be upgraded. Meaning it can change but the personal reality of a person can't be change or upgraded. Its like altering your inner world or thought process if you try to change your personal reality. You will become a different person altogether if you try to change it and by the looks of it for the case of Imagine Breaker. It isn't the case.
To them killing the host and transferring it to someone that they can easily control is a lot faster than trying to alter the current host.
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We all know that IB harmonizes, but only what is touched by the right fist it is contained... Now, what happens if Touma can change his Personal reality, allowing him to perceive the whole "reality", calculate it, re-calculate it to whatever he thinks would be a proper state of harmony, and rewrite IB with that same new state of harmony? could he... I don't know... alter the whole reality............of course, I'm only imagining that this would be the Deus ex Machina the author will apply for the end of the series |
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Using Touma's own personal reality to affect Imagine Breaker...... but personal reality is pertaining to esper abilities and so far Touma doesn't have it. I'm not even sure if he has AIM though.... I'm sure he doesn't have AIM because IB exist. It dispels the AIM field. Though if IB was extracted then maybe and since IB is acting as a seal.
Wait can the being sealed inside Touma connected to AIM? So far as long as IB is connected to Touma I don't think he can use personal reality effect like an esper but probably every individual has their own personal reality. It includes the magicians and mundane. The science side just find a way to use it. So Touma having a personal reality isn't impossible but using it to affect IB looks like is impossible for the time being. Until further information was release pertaining IB. We still don't know how IB updates its database on what's natural on the planet and what's distorted or altered by supernatural means.
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It has been hinted a bunch of times that Touma doesn't have AIM field, first Kazagiri stated it, as if Touma had AIM he would "help" form Kazakiri's constitution of "self", but the element of "the power of negation" would create a contradiction that would render her unable to exist.
Second is, Touma's own statements. Even though you are a level 0 you are still "an esper", so even level 0s can partake in tests such as the Columbus egg and a bunch of others like guessing which card is it while blindfolded. Touma can't really interact with those tests and gets by as however he can, that's why he pretty much considers himself the lowest rankered level 0 in the city. I don't remember if Kumokawa also said something about it when she said that the Imagine Breaker wasn't a gemstone.
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Where does it say that an epiphany is needed? If anything, I found it more plausible that he had took in some data rather than have a change of heart. Is it any coincidence that both scenario the two espers are exposed to the foreign data of Angels? Accelerator took in the Song Index used to free Kazakiri... Kakine saw Accelerator's Angel wings... Accelerator gains white wings after inputing data from Aiwass, lambskin, and the data on Kazakiri... Also while I agree they're different, 'divine' is a fanmade term. Nowhere is it an official classification. Quote:
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But when I think about it... It'll be fun to watch you all fall into the brink of despair when all that you hold true in this world gets smashed like a house of cards, and like the [Steady State theory] all of your speculations would be proven wrong... ...And Mikoto gets her wings
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Vol.15 narrative refers to Accelerator's and Kakine's as divine powers.
The word used when they grow their wings, specially Accelerator, is "kakusei" wchic literally can be translated as "awakening", even vol.1 used kakusei on Index but in a different way of writing though. Mikoto awakens every morning . |
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We just use it because we needed to label it as something. That's my joke
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Questions regarding the Idol system
I've been thinking about the Idol system and there are a few questions I'd like to ask:
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the questions ask about idol system reminds me most of nasu terms of magic with if many people are performing the same magic it will grow weak but that's nasu. Tamni is different.
Even if all the people use the same magic it won't effect it (except for the special ones) but the more mundane ones are the same. The magic system in tamni doesn't use magic circuits like in nasu. Magic in nasu isn't for everyone because you need a circuit to do so but in tamni you don't need it. magic in tamni is created for less unfortunate so even the talentless will be able to wield magic. The way magic was perform in tamni is by creating a change in something which is normal. To create mana one has to harness or refine life energy and this so called life energy is the result in creating a change in your body. Like changing the flow of blood or doing something which change the normal flow of the body. You're risking your life here because one wrong move and your dead. By creating a change one manage to exert life force which can be change into mana to fuel magic. That's for normal means. And the use of idol theory is just to make a based form of magic thus idol theory. One shapes own mana to the same as the one in the legends. Its a lot easier that way than create a whole new magic even if that is possible but will take decades to bear fruit thus why just use the existing form born from the legends. And thus that is the born of magic. The percent of one can be able to imitate the original is not even near 1 % if you're trying to replicate divine origins but still it will help in shaping your magic. Though this is for self fuel magic. The other form of magic is borrowing energy from alien to this world which can be also use in idol theory but this one has limits to one can contain in one owns body thus its pretty limited because a body of a normal human being can't contain the energy of those alien being like angels. The form of magic can be shape infinitely so any form of story from religion, fairytale, folklore or myth... etc etc can be use as a basis for magic. But still heavily dependent on one's own capacity and talent. The other form of magic is by artifact with great strength. The artifact acts as a medium of magic and the better the artifact the greater the strength can be borrowed and used. Though artifact magic is limited only to what intended for the artifact to be used.
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Thanks for the explanation of magic... Given this, I can't help but wonder if Aleister wants to destroy the "magic" system, which is dependant of "superior ideas" (legends), or "superior beings", which is why he created the espers who cand create their miracles by forcing their personal realities into the world, and with the LV. 6 Experiment, they can ascend and become superior beings... I'm saying this because I recently read vol. 19, and can't help remeber Aleister and Aiwass conversation, in whihc Aleisters tells to the later that he (Aiwass) won't remain in the upper position (or something along those lines)
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To rip directly from wiki;
In the religion of Thelema, it is believed that the history of humanity can be divided into a series of Aeons, each of which was accompanied by its own forms of "magical and religious expression". The first of these was the Aeon of Isis, which Thelemites believed occurred during prehistory and which saw mankind worshipping a Great Goddess, symbolised by the ancient Egyptian deity Isis. In Thelemite beliefs, this was followed by the Aeon of Osiris, a period that took place in the classical and mediaeval centuries, when humanity worshipped a singular male god, symbolised by the Egyptian god Osiris, and was therefore dominated by patriarchal values. And finally the third aeon, the Aeon of Horus, which was controlled by the child god, symbolised by Horus. In this new aeon, Thelemites believe that humanity will enter a time of self-realization and self-actualization.
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