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LeoXiao · 2012-11-30, 00:32

Maybe it's the People's Armed Police doing this, they got tired of shooting rural protesters and are doing a "study broad" program.

Marcus H. · 2012-11-30, 00:46

This might be off-topic, but I wonder what would happen if China, like Russia, gets divided into five or so nations...

ReddyRedWolf · 2012-11-30, 00:54

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Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

What the hell does the police has anything to do with disputed areas?? Isnt it the job of army if China wants to force claim an area??

Either the local police are idiots believing the maps that is used in propaganda are trying to make a name for themselves or they are fall guy Beijing is using to poke the US for a response.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-11-30, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

This might be off-topic, but I wonder what would happen if China, like Russia, gets divided into five or so nations...

Already happen to Russia in the late 80s and early 90s,

China, same as always a Civil War to unified the Country again.

NoemiChan · 2012-11-30, 01:06

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Already happen to Russia in the late 80s and early 90s,

China, same as always a Civil War to unified the Country again.

Who wants to partition China? Who wants Macau? Who wants Hong Kong. Foreign Mandates can be done just like the Ottoman.

LeoXiao · 2012-11-30, 01:09

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

This might be off-topic, but I wonder what would happen if China, like Russia, gets divided into five or so nations...

This is the wet dream of some of China's neighboring countries. They are scared of the historical and current political unity of the Chinese peoples because it makes for a powerful, hegemonic state, and so would like to see China in more bite-sized chunks.

Unlike the USSR, of which about 25% of the population was not of the Rus' culture (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) and 50% non-Russian, China proper is not so easily divided. In China currently 8% of the populace are not Han Chinese. The first step obviously would be to take off Xinjiang and Tibet, which would create two new countries. Then you could give Yanbian prefecture, populated by a plurality of Koreans, to the DPRK, or, since the DPRK is BS, make it a ROK exclave. Stretching things further, take the Guangxi Zhuang region and make it independent. Then take Yunnan, which contains 27 of China's 56 ethnic groups, and make it into a tribal confederation thing. But what then? Even after all this, you would have only taken off about 100-125 million of China's 1300 million and only marginally affected its geography.

EDIT: I suppose over an extended period of time you could nurture a separatist sentiment in the unintelligible dialect-speaking parts of China like Guangdong, Zhejiang, Fujian, and stuff, but it would require first destroying the locals' conception of themselves being just as Chinese as the northern, Mandarin speaking peoples. Remember that Cantonese is and was considered to be a proper Chinese dialect and was almost chosen over Mandarin to be the national language when the ROC was created.

NoemiChan · 2012-11-30, 01:13

We could divide them by language.

LeoXiao · 2012-11-30, 01:15

If you read my post, you would've seen that I already addressed this. taking off all those areas takes out less than 10% of China's population, which isn't so much a partition as a "slight nerf".

NoemiChan · 2012-11-30, 01:18

At least its smaller ....

Xellos-_^ · 2012-11-30, 01:23

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

At least its smaller ....

but angrier and even more unified.

LeoXiao · 2012-11-30, 01:24

... and to compensate for the lost territory in the west, they decided to expand in the other direction, making some unruly Pacific Rim states into new Provinces...

NoemiChan · 2012-11-30, 01:25

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

but angrier and even more unified.

We could have the new "liberated" minorities to assist us.... Turks, Mongolians, Tibetans, Koreans etc.. That would be bloody..

SaintessHeart · 2012-11-30, 02:18

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

We could have the new "liberated" minorities to assist us.... Turks, Mongolians, Tibetans, Koreans etc.. That would be bloody..

You don't want the Koreans on ANY side in the war. It is either a Zerg or Marine rush.

Ithekro · 2012-11-30, 02:25

The police would be engaging in interdiction duties like they would within their national waters. That the government has decided those waters now extend out dozens if not hundred of miles does not change the police role...just that they will likely be fired on by other countries coast guards and naval warships...depending on if they cross into other's national waters or interfere in international waters.

KiraYamatoFan · 2012-11-30, 03:04

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Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Kira, you are 29, you are too old to be that naive.

In international politics, there are no morals or ethics, no enemies or friends.
Today's friend is potentially tomorrows enemies
Today's enemies is potentially tomorrows friend
Morals and Ethics has NEVER matter in the past and will NEVER matter in the future.

We slammed the door at South Africa for decades after all and no one saw anything wrong with that. In fact, it was very welcome by everyone; God, I wish I was old enough to make noise in front of a South African embassy when it was time to shout "Down with the Apartheid! Free South Africa!"

Right now, all I know is that the PRC is making itself as an enemy for everyone and they are asking for a new Cold War (at the very least), make no mistake about it. When you ask for trouble like that, you should live with consequences going with your decisions and I'm just expecting to see serious consequences from my own eyes. If there is something to gain from economics by Western countries, they should try harder with all neighbouring countries (esp. India, Thailand and Vietnam).

Seriously, I think the West should have never gone to the PRC and contribute to their economic growth, especially not after the 1989 incidents which should have left an unmovable black eye about how the PRC should be perceived as. At the other end, the Chinese people (yes the people) should have taken more serious measures in response to the 1989 incidents (be it a more serious political movement or an armed response at the other extreme of the spectrum); it's probably the only thing where I have a beef with the people (not the government leaders whom I already showed my disdain to). But history showed otherwise, and the West created that monster as we know today by doing business with Beijing.

Tom Bombadil · 2012-11-30, 04:31

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

We could divide them by language.

Oh, well, that's not the only thing that's wrong on the internet. Let's just put it that way.

LeoXiao · 2012-11-30, 04:32

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Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Oh, well, that's not the only thing that's wrong on the internet. Let's just put it that way.

The map is wrong? My linguistics professor used that same one...

Azuma Denton · 2012-11-30, 04:34

Civil wars on China?
Will not happen as long as the entire country is still being controlled by People's Party...

LeoXiao · 2012-11-30, 04:35

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Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Civil wars on China?
Will not happen as long as the entire country is still being controlled by People's Party...

Or by any sane people. Unlike in the Warring states era, armies have nukes now. A civil war wouldn't be good for neighboring countries either. Each time China has fragmented and reunified it has expanded a little bit.

Azuma Denton · 2012-11-30, 04:39

IMO, if Cina will gone through civil wars, it will start from West China (Tibetan and Moslem Chinese Area).
Tibet has cried for independence since decades ago.
And there are many military suppresion on Moslem Chinese Area. (the usual different faith things)

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	The police would be engaging in interdiction duties like they would within their national waters. That the government has decided those waters now extend out dozens if not hundred of miles does not change the police role...just that they will likely be fired on by other countries coast guards and naval warships...depending on if they cross into other's national waters or interfere in international waters. __________________

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LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	Maybe it's the People's Armed Police doing this, they got tired of shooting rural protesters and are doing a "study broad" program.

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NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	We could divide them by language.

2012-11-30, 01:15	Link #48
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	If you read my post, you would've seen that I already addressed this. taking off all those areas takes out less than 10% of China's population, which isn't so much a partition as a "slight nerf".

2012-11-30, 01:18	Link #49
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	At least its smaller ....

2012-11-30, 01:24	Link #51
LeoXiao 思想工作 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vereinigte Staaten Age: 31	... and to compensate for the lost territory in the west, they decided to expand in the other direction, making some unruly Pacific Rim states into new Provinces...

2012-11-30, 04:34	Link #58
Azuma Denton ~AD~ Join Date: Oct 2006	Civil wars on China? Will not happen as long as the entire country is still being controlled by People's Party...

2012-11-30, 04:39	Link #60
Azuma Denton ~AD~ Join Date: Oct 2006	IMO, if Cina will gone through civil wars, it will start from West China (Tibetan and Moslem Chinese Area). Tibet has cried for independence since decades ago. And there are many military suppresion on Moslem Chinese Area. (the usual different faith things)