2008-07-20, 20:48 | Link #4001 | |
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That makes that point moot.
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2008-07-20, 20:58 | Link #4003 | |
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2. By the time of Shirely's death, Rollo, Villeta, and Lelouch will have left so he would've figured it out. |
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2008-07-20, 21:04 | Link #4005 |
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Well when we saw Kallens mom all drugged up, she was actig on her true feelings for Kallen about how much she loved her and how much her affair with her dad was hurting her instead of bottling it all in like she usually does. So idk, maybe refrain as a truth serum is not that far fetch.
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2008-07-20, 21:11 | Link #4006 | ||
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@ Var
No, it was not Suzaku's job to watch over Lelouch. It's his job to kill Zero, if Lelouch regained his memory. Watching over Lelouch is the Intelligence Agency's job. And they are professionals. It's like Suzaku HAS to do everything to do a good job for you. Governments don't work that way. Stop hating Suzaku for not micromanaging everything. That was never his forte. That's Lelouch's. He's a battlefield general, not an intelligence specialist. Quote:
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2008-07-20, 21:13 | Link #4007 | |
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2008-07-20, 21:22 | Link #4008 | |
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The save by Rollo made his Nunnally trap doubt his suspicions. The next one after that, the talk with Sayoko-Lelouch on the phone from China while Zero was in China. This is the only time when his suspicion was allowed any progress precisely because Lelouch was gone (trapped in another world), Rollo was not there, and Viletta abandoned her post. Suzaku only being able to find the ruse's existence was out of the pure luck of the situation created by Shirley's death. And no, Suzaku is still no intelligence specialist. Watching and listening to ALL that surveillance data is completely impossible for one man (even if he is a superhuman) to do alone. Specialization exists in this world for a reason. Not everyone can do anything right. And no, you're coming off as hating because you're blaming Suzaku for things that he would never normally do. Governments and agencies work on a basis of trust and professionalism to get the job done.
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2008-07-20, 21:29 | Link #4009 | |
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2008-07-20, 21:48 | Link #4010 | |
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Your missing the point that Var and I are making. Suzaku makes the deductions after Shirley had been killed. We are talking about him doubting AFTER Shirley's death. Not before, not last year, and defintely not last week. By the time he started to act Rollo, Villeta, and Lelouch were already gone. So if he had gone to the agency first he'd be in the same situation that he just was in now in 15. There's no need to go over tons of data, he only needs that small time frame and the moment those guys refuse to give him any access to it spells the obvious. |
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2008-07-21, 00:15 | Link #4011 |
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To truly free "area 11" Suzaku have to battle the ideals of Charles. If Suzaku does gain control as knight 1, the elevens will still be under britannia rule and ideology and eventually total assimilation into the customs of britannia.
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2008-07-21, 01:05 | Link #4012 |
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Well Suzaku in part, redeemed himself by not using the refrain on her, but at the same time showed how fucked up his perception of Lelouch is... Its like to him Lelouch is the evil dragon that needs to be slayed by the ever so good knight in shining white armor, Suzaku. Oh please... get over yourself Suzaku.
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2008-07-21, 01:29 | Link #4013 | |
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2008-07-21, 02:16 | Link #4016 | |
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Let's face it, just because you are aware or sorry about the lives you take, it won't redeem you in the slightest. Zero was born from Lelouch's way of thinking that to defeat a devilish emperor you must become a devil yourself. And he's followed that principle diligently. Suzaku saw only his bad side if you so will, all the character development, not forcing a political marriage, not ruling of china but gaining them as allies,... He didn't see any of that. And what's wrong about morals? Suzaku is on the preachy side but his ideals are not something bad, are they? Besides as long as he can keep to his chosen way I'd say he can draw strength from where he wants. |
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2008-07-21, 03:28 | Link #4017 |
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I must say, I am positively surprised to see that most of the Zero apologists are not twisting Suzakus actions like a pretzel, as they usually do.
Well, besides a little smattering of "Ooooh, Euphy was an accident" and "But Lelouch is so much better, because he massacres children, while Suzaku is a bastard because he threatens Kallen with using Refrain on her, then doesnīt go through with it, making him gutless!", that is. |
2008-07-21, 04:01 | Link #4018 | |
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There are plenty of people on Britannia's side. But Suzaku is the only idiot amongst them. Even the crazy Nina got something done recently. The drugging of Kallen was a stupid act that would have achieved nothing. All this merely solidified my belief that a Suzaku-ran Japan would be an abysmal failure. Even more innocent people will die than during Clovis's rule if Suzaku took the Area 11 governer job.
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2008-07-21, 04:12 | Link #4019 | |
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But in all honesty, R2 has given such vast amounts of plot armour to Lelouch in regards to Suzaku trying to nail down if Lelouch is the "new" Zero, that is has become ridiculous. Also, the focus clearly has shifted from both Lelouch and Suzaku being the main players in R1, to Lelouch being the main player, and Suzaku becoming supporting cast. So, it isnīt very surprising to me that the writers chose to make Suzaku as inefficient as he has been for the whole season. I donīt really agree with you on how a Japan run by Suzaku would be worse off than one run by Clovis. Suzaku wouldnīt do massacres, nor tolerate escapades by his sub-ordinates, like Nunally did for a good time. |
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2008-07-21, 04:29 | Link #4020 | |
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Suzaku would not be able to exercise any of the theoretical power he has because he has no idea what to do with it. The ineffective drugging of Kallen proves it. (As I mentioned prior, he would have saved himself from a slap if Suzaku just visited the Intelligence Agency from the start like he should be.)
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