2010-03-24, 14:05 | Link #1061 |
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I wasn't attacking you, honestly. I was attacking the rule itself. Your points are valid, but not the whole picture. I'd describe them here but some other person already posted in response to you concerning the other points.
I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't attacking you personally.
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2010-03-24, 17:13 | Link #1062 | |
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And if different people can't fight in the same army... then what? Restrict recruiting to white protestant heterosexual males? |
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2010-04-03, 18:20 | Link #1065 | |
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2010-04-13, 02:28 | Link #1066 |
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i think .. gays,bi.lesbians.and trans. has the right to live happily without discrimination.. they can chose whom they love.. like some of you say.. FREE WILL even God gives us free will for us to learn from our own mistake.. nobody is forcing you to love them, just accept them for they are people too.. human beings..
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2010-04-13, 02:48 | Link #1067 |
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i agree with chichi13, i have more gay & lesbian friends than the usual pack, though i'm not gay i enjoy their company and a lot of people don't quite understand why, at times crowds do make fun of them but for me, these people are more determined in life than most of us.
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2010-04-23, 18:54 | Link #1068 | |
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But this was a shocker for me, are homosexual couples really not allowed to visit their partners if there is no immeadaite next of kin? (like family before partners)
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2010-04-23, 20:45 | Link #1069 | |
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Our Founding Fathers meant for America to be a religious country. That much is fact. What our Founders didn't want, was an established religion in the Governemtn(i.e. The Church of England). They did believe in God, and there are references of our Lord, and Creator in more than a few papers(including the Declaration of Independence). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Prayer |
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2010-04-24, 00:14 | Link #1070 | |
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ALL totally grokked the idea that a state religion or any intertwining of secular and spiritual authority was a Really Bad Idea.
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2010-04-25, 17:35 | Link #1071 | |
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But yes, it's a sad fact that partners cannot be there with their mates sometimes.
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2010-04-25, 18:20 | Link #1072 | |
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Sad things you couldn't even vote for a guy that would give you these rights. :/ |
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2010-04-25, 18:38 | Link #1073 | |
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There are far too many instances where a couple lives together for decades, one passes away and not only does the partner have to move because they don't have survivor rights, but they encounter issues with hospitals, funeral arranging, and so on. As much as I hate what EA did to those of us they laid off, I DO give them props for being an openminded enough company to have partner rights. You could put your domestic partner on your insurance and whatnot. Sure, your partner might've had insurance through THEIR job, but what happens if they get laid off, or what have you? They're screwed.
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2010-04-25, 18:39 | Link #1074 | |
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2010-04-25, 18:48 | Link #1075 | |
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2010-04-26, 09:24 | Link #1076 | |
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But that was fine because they knew and understood that religion and government are best kept as separate as possible. They were trying to avoid the centuries of religious influence upon European government. And why shouldn't they? Why does a devout Christian need the US to be a "Christian" nation? More accurately, the founding fathers envisioned a land where all the different Christian sects that disagreed with one another could co-exist peacefully. Obviously that hasn't been carried out all that well since their time... |
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2010-04-26, 10:45 | Link #1077 | |
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As I've said before. As a majority, the Founding Fathers didn't want a Government instituted Religion. They did not want a Church of America(i.e. Church of England). And they did NOT want God and Religion completely out of Government, or there wouldn't be so many references to God in so many different American documents of that time. They wanted people to be free to practice their religions without prosecution. I have yet to see where that has happened. The only thing I've seen, is people on the left, trying to down-play or minimize religion in American History as much as they can. |
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2010-04-26, 11:09 | Link #1078 | |
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P.S. Why do people like you equate the founding fathers to some perfect epitome of humanity that we should all aspire too? They made mistakes and that's why they made the constitution a flexible document, lest we forget the founding fathers main gripe about slavery wasn't that it was inherently wrong but that they didn't want to give the slave owners more political power. Also generalize much? People on the left all hate god/gods/mystical no father men/prophets/etc this is why civil debate with you is just not in the cards. Generalize and paint in broad strokes, because that's the definition of humanity./s if you couldn't get that. |
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2010-04-26, 11:24 | Link #1079 | |
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And yeah, I'm pretty sure passing references to 'god,' much more a cultural practice than anything else, don't constitute any desire on the part of the founders to incorporate religion into the government. (EDIT: I just went back and actually looked up quite a few early American documents and like Kaijo has said there actually aren't any references to god. Look who is changing history now???) You have yet to 'see' religious persecution in America? Well I guess I haven't directly seen any either, but who cares? It's a known fact that it has been a huge issue in American history. People from the left, eh? Well I'll let you know I couldn't care less about the left or the right or any of those stupid political labels. I think both the Republican and Democratic parties are more bad than good, so I'm not trying to reconstruct American history to suit some ridiculous political agenda. All I'm interested in are facts. Last edited by ChainLegacy; 2010-04-27 at 07:18. |
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