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Old 2016-09-10, 20:25   Link #41
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This series has not been above admitting that the people who state certain things as an absolute rule are not always right.

For example, by the current rules Kyouka should be "dead." She ran out of power and returned to her object form: all other tsukumogami who that has happened to are treated as dead. After the collapse of Mayoiga, Honoka even spoke as if the only ones who could be saved were the ones who hadn't run out of power yet. The whole mess in recent chapters proves that she was not owned by Kazuya, so she could not have been receiving power normally from him. Yet we can plainly see her, revived and alive, at the present time.

The rules of the world are only "rules" in as much as they are the way things have always worked in the past. The very nature of this kind of story, these kinds of characters, is to first show us the "rules," and then push and bend and break them so we can be amazed. They have already been doing that by degrees over the course of the story, and I have every reason to belive it will continue, and become more extreme as things go forward.

And that is why I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt and not just fly over to Japan, track him down, and punch him in the face right now.
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Old 2016-09-10, 21:35   Link #42
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This series has not been above admitting that the people who state certain things as an absolute rule are not always right.

For example, by the current rules Kyouka should be "dead." She ran out of power and returned to her object form: all other tsukumogami who that has happened to are treated as dead. After the collapse of Mayoiga, Honoka even spoke as if the only ones who could be saved were the ones who hadn't run out of power yet. The whole mess in recent chapters proves that she was not owned by Kazuya, so she could not have been receiving power normally from him. Yet we can plainly see her, revived and alive, at the present time.

The rules of the world are only "rules" in as much as they are the way things have always worked in the past. The very nature of this kind of story, these kinds of characters, is to first show us the "rules," and then push and bend and break them so we can be amazed. They have already been doing that by degrees over the course of the story, and I have every reason to belive it will continue, and become more extreme as things go forward.

And that is why I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt and not just fly over to Japan, track him down, and punch him in the face right now.
Running out of energy =/= being dead, it's just that they lost their ability due to use their powers and transform. The only time they are truly dead is when they are destroyed (remember that the instrument they come from is their real body and if that is destroyed any kind of ability to absorb energy dissapears, if not they can still absorb said energy), yes they are treated like they died but that is because to them not having their consciousness is similar to being dead not truly dead, think of it likw being in a coma. But as we saw, if someone with the ability or the power to share their energy or in this case are born with the ability to create them at will and have advanced control over their power they help (<- keyword) them restore their powers and abilities, why else would Kukuri give a "dead" (as you say) tsugumomo to him and tell him to hold on to the flute and that she can return? Easy, it was never stated that losing your energy = true death, just that it was like being dead (a.k.a. like being in a coma).
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Old 2016-09-11, 00:34   Link #43
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The entire point of the current arc is Kazuya finding a way to control his power and bring Kiriha back, I'm not 100% sure about Kukuri(who am I kidding she'll probably come back too) but Kiriha coming back in some capacity is pretty much guaranteed.
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Old 2016-09-11, 00:57   Link #44
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The entire point of the current arc is Kazuya finding a way to control his power and bring Kiriha back, I'm not 100% sure about Kukuri(who am I kidding she'll probably come back too) but Kiriha coming back in some capacity is pretty much guaranteed.
Why bringing Kiriha back now? Her death is his motivation and turning point in this arc, bringing her back now is just too soon. Beside, the entire point of this arc is more likely Kazuya developing a trusting partnership with Kyouka and learning to control his new power.
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Old 2016-09-11, 00:57   Link #45
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Sorry for the slight topic change, but this just happened: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-anime/.106323
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Old 2016-09-11, 02:46   Link #46
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Why bringing Kiriha back now? Her death is his motivation and turning point in this arc, bringing her back now is just too soon. Beside, the entire point of this arc is more likely Kazuya developing a trusting partnership with Kyouka and learning to control his new power.
I believe learning how to do it is going to be a process, not an epiphany. Basically, what he's doing here, and what he will do here, will begin to teach he what he need to know to revive her. That doesn't mean she's going to come back right away, or even particularly soon; it just means that he's on a path that takes him towards the destination of bringing her back.

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Sorry for the slight topic change, but this just happened: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-anime/.106323
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Old 2016-09-11, 04:18   Link #47
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Sorry for the slight topic change, but this just happened: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-anime/.106323
This anime will have the most sunrays of all ecchin animes ever. Like we should make a sunray counter or censor counter just to see if we can top 100 censors in a single episode. xD
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Old 2016-09-11, 10:48   Link #48
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This anime will have the most sunrays of all ecchin animes ever. Like we should make a sunray counter or censor counter just to see if we can top 100 censors in a single episode. xD
Remind us not to play any drinking games with this series. We'd probably drown taking shots of all the light beams this series will probably have^^;;.
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Old 2016-09-11, 11:20   Link #49
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Um.

Did I miss something? Because it was straight up said that Kiriha wasn't dead and he could bring her back.
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Old 2016-09-11, 11:35   Link #50
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Um.

Did I miss something? Because it was straight up said that Kiriha wasn't dead and he could bring her back.
You'll have to reference that for me, because I didn't catch it. She was stated pretty plainly to be dead.
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Old 2016-09-11, 11:57   Link #51
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Right after he found out about it.

"So, she got wrecked, but if you keep her close and pour your spiritual energy into her, she might revive."
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Old 2016-09-11, 12:27   Link #52
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But wasn't that only if her vessel is still intact which it isn't as she got ripped to pieces?
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Old 2016-09-11, 14:43   Link #53
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Right after he found out about it.

"So, she got wrecked, but if you keep her close and pour your spiritual energy into her, she might revive."
That was what was said about Kyouka. However, Kazuya re-discovered Kiriha's death in chapter 71, and after some lead up he was simply presented with a box filled with her fragments. After which the scene cut to him in bed, holding a wrapped bundle with Kiriha's remains in it, and crying. When the head exorcist came to talk to him after that she made no mention of the possibility of saving Kiriha. Discussions while he was not present stated clearly that she died, as well.
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Old 2016-09-11, 21:59   Link #54
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man when i really love this manga to be honest i probably not gonna like the anime, because they gonna butcher it like crazy, this manga really can't be "adapted" in his true form to anime, if the masou gakuen was "capped" this one gonna be too for sure, like someone told most of the episodes will be probably we fighting with light beams for 90% of the episde like basically they only gonna allow we see eyes and even that can be "dangerous" , this manga is really one of the most boderline hentai which i know and see the anime being butchered to be able to pass in tv will gonna be painfull.
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Old 2016-09-11, 22:45   Link #55
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man when i really love this manga to be honest i probably not gonna like the anime, because they gonna butcher it like crazy, this manga really can't be "adapted" in his true form to anime, if the masou gakuen was "capped" this one gonna be too for sure, like someone told most of the episodes will be probably we fighting with light beams for 90% of the episde like basically they only gonna allow we see eyes and even that can be "dangerous" , this manga is really one of the most boderline hentai which i know and see the anime being butchered to be able to pass in tv will gonna be painfull.
The ecchi content is not as significant, and not onscreen as often, in the earlier parts of the manga as it is later on. Depending on how far they adapt up to it may not need as much censoring as you think.

Note "as much." I don't think there's any way this can get through with zero censoring.
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Old 2016-09-11, 23:04   Link #56
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The ecchi content is not as significant, and not onscreen as often, in the earlier parts of the manga as it is later on. Depending on how far they adapt up to it may not need as much censoring as you think.

Note "as much." I don't think there's any way this can get through with zero censoring.
yeah i remember, in the beginner this mangas was very tamed but i don't recall now exactly but more like after 10 or something like that chapters things startet to scale pretty ridiculous with the level of ecchi increasing in a freaking way, going from something like shokugeki no soma , to fair tail level then to to lovu ru near porn to surprassing it and going very near hentai(some chapters sometimes even make doubt why they don't already classified it as hentai the way of some chapters goes too wild!!.

well i hope the chapters it get to animate don't need too much butcher and we can have a good show and not a mediocre show like we are getting with most of the harems nowadays we really more "refreshing" and less stupid material and that is one of the few which is not so "generic" and actually good ( at last in my eyes and not just for the ecchi but also the plot and storytelly).

we really are in need of good harems the amount of bad ones already pilled too much.
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Old 2016-09-12, 07:31   Link #57
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That was what was said about Kyouka. However, Kazuya re-discovered Kiriha's death in chapter 71, and after some lead up he was simply presented with a box filled with her fragments. After which the scene cut to him in bed, holding a wrapped bundle with Kiriha's remains in it, and crying. When the head exorcist came to talk to him after that she made no mention of the possibility of saving Kiriha. Discussions while he was not present stated clearly that she died, as well.
Doesn't change the fact that Kazuya has probably the most hax powers in the series and he will revive Kiriha, and probably Kukuri too. There's a reason the time sphere thing encompassed the entire battleground because Kazuya will probably save them all when he really powers up. As of now Kiriha is dead but Kazuya has the power to restore dead/dormant Tsukumogami's and create new ones out of thin air, it's not that much of a stretch to assume that Kazuya will figure out a way to bring Kiriha back.

It's not like popular opinion has been wrong before, amarite?


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Why bringing Kiriha back now? Her death is his motivation and turning point in this arc, bringing her back now is just too soon. Beside, the entire point of this arc is more likely Kazuya developing a trusting partnership with Kyouka and learning to control his new power.
Of course her death is motivation for Kazuya but the way this story is going I doubt she'll stay dead.
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Old 2016-10-19, 19:53   Link #58
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just read up to chapter 24. i liked how they played that memory game with ecchi rewards. will more stuff like that happen? it seems the only time the series into "daring" situations is when another man is doing the seducing. is there no hope for MC like in other series or will we get most of our ecchi scenes by outside parties?

on a side note, with all these monsters. please tell me a tentacle monster comes into play later on >.<. that has to be a given.
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Old 2016-10-20, 02:32   Link #59
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just read up to chapter 24. i liked how they played that memory game with ecchi rewards. will more stuff like that happen? it seems the only time the series into "daring" situations is when another man is doing the seducing. is there no hope for MC like in other series or will we get most of our ecchi scenes by outside parties?

on a side note, with all these monsters. please tell me a tentacle monster comes into play later on >.<. that has to be a given.
The other god they played the game with is also a girl. Kazuya pretty much does everything but penetration, though there's implied penetration(on himself), but the memory game is pretty tame compared to some of the others.
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Old 2016-10-20, 03:14   Link #60
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oh what... that makes it all the more hotter lol. i thought that god was a guy, but a god that's trying to get at other women is definitely a god i'd prey too.

if that game was tame, i can't wait to see what lies ahead.

this series started before the "new tokyo law" iirc that's what it was called.

it didn't effect the series and get toned down later on did it? as in less loli nudity and no more showing of nipples?
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