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If that same kind of vision can be reapplied (hopefully much better this time ), I'll be a happy camper. Fukuda may only be able to do about three and a half things well, but he's actually quite good when he pulls them off (and potentially terrible when he doesn't ). On the note of a different director, I'm inclined to agree here as well; albeit for slightly different reasons. From watching Stargazer, I can't help but feel that the rest of Sunrise doesn't really know how to deal with the themes and setting very well. While the short play-time may have been an issue, I didn't think that there was much to be impressed by in terms of either characterization or storytelling. It had some decent whiz-bang, but it felt a lot like Fukuda without his better qualities. Quote:
Strip away the potentially misleading technological signposts, and at the beginning of Seed, I think it's fair to say that Cosmic Era technology was significantly more advanced than UC 0079, and at the end of Destiny, it's still nowhere near that of UC 0154. For that matter, there are quite a few technologies found in earlier Gundam works that weren't present in Victory. Moreover, there's no such thing (or at least there shouldn't be such a thing) as too futuristic for a Gundam show. To try to make such artificial constraints is to just handicap the franchise unnecessarily. In any case, the reason I wouldn't mind seeing a later Cosmic Era work is more to explore the setting some time after the depicted events, and without having to deal with the main characters.
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2009-02-05, 15:50 | Link #1622 |
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I've read a lot of pages of this thread and the answer to my question seems kinda obvious, but I'll try nonetheless:
I've seen Gundam Seed. I thought it was good, not 0079/Zeta Gundam good, but an entertaining if inferior remake of 0079 with really nice mecha designs and some soap opera moments. Now, I was about to watch Seed Destiny, but I've read soooooooooo many negative comments towards it (not just here, in a lot of places), that I'm skeptical at the least. On the other hand, I've read that the 4 compilation movies fixes a lot of problems acknowledged by the authors and fans, but well, that's in Wikipedia and maybe it's the opinion of one person who edited the article. The question is, should I watch the compilation movies instead ? Besides avoiding recaps and constant flashbacks, are they really better ? Don't they butcher the storyline or something ? Is the ending improved? I've read that the story is told from the perspective of Athrun instead of Jesus Yamato and "everybody hates my guts" Shinn....so I guess that's a pretty big change. I've seen the 0079 compilation movies and, even if the pace is really fast, I enjoyed them greatly and didn't think that I miss crucial stuff (we'll, maybe Lalah's role was kind of rushed but it's only an assumption)... Last but not least, is the screentime of the mechs shortened ? Cause I've seen videos of the Saviour Gundam and it reminds me a lot of the Zeta mechs, so even if my main concern is the storyline and characters, I wouldn't like to miss some cool battles. Thanks for reading guys |
2009-02-05, 16:24 | Link #1623 |
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When you have compilation movies you're always going to get compressed action scenes. Then again, that might be a good thing considering it's GSD, notorious for its beat-dead-horse recycled animations. Why don't you watch the compilations first, and if you like it and think you can stomach the premise all the way through, watch the original?
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2009-02-05, 16:31 | Link #1624 |
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well maybe unless gsm might do finally something no other gundam time era has ever done that is a LEADING MAIN FEMALE CHARACTER?!
cause remember GS series was 1st non-uc to get 2nd tv series season aka GSD. besides maybe in gundam 30th might happen in gsm a main leading female character!!!
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2009-02-05, 16:58 | Link #1625 |
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yeah, i've thought about them making the main character Kira and Lacus' daughter like 20 years down the road from where they're at now. (making her ~18). since Kira is the unstoppable force, any plot can be solved with him destroying everything. but down the road, maybe Kira retired or something, or some new tech comes along that pwns strike freedom (god i hope not) then his daughter (who through eugenics is technically second only to Kira) has to come and save the day..
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As for its "potential", I will talk more about that below... Quote:
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Now consider that all of this happened in THREE short years. What happens in FORTY years then? Suits that can blow up the world without even trying? Possible, but definitely not good for Gundam. IMO this is the biggest problem with Fukuda & crew and why I think CE is not sustainable. They like to throw everything they can think of into the show, whether its ideas, themes, technology, etc., leaving no stones unturned. Will work for the first series, and maybe for the second one too. After that it all depends on how long it takes for it to blow up on them. Quote:
Why is that? We've already discuss this before. People have expectations of what Gundam is and what its contents are. Going overboard and hurting these expectations create a backlash against the show, which I imagine is definitely something that Bandai will no longer go for.
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Perhaps a bigger problem is to use UC as a gauge in the first place. These technological improvements aren't linear, and it's quite possible (even probable) to pursue them all simultaneously. There's no rule in writing that says that these should act as some sort of hard limit on what should be possible. There are a number of ways to portray technological improvements without having to go to extremes. While the basic conservatism of the Gundam franchise precludes using the majority of them, there certainly are still viable options. Quote:
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2009-02-05, 23:23 | Link #1629 | |
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It's a good advice, but so far no one pointed out which of them is better (or less bad): the compilation movies or the series. Maybe no one watched the movies because of the bad taste left by the series? |
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You should also keep in mind that the series itself has two endings. The original one was fairly lacking, and it has since been replaced in the canon with the Final Plus episode. I can't remember exactly, but I think that the ending for the compilation is very close to Final Plus.
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Both EA and ZAFT and whomever else have access to all these extremely destructive technologies, unlike in other shows, where these powers are reserved to one or two suits. So you now have mere grunt suits being able to shoot off beams that can take out battleships in one shot and when you have stuff like mass produced Destroy Gundams (Shinn Asuka isn't going to be around to fight off those every time) and suits loaded like a Swiss Army knife, then you really have a problem keeping these technologies from getting out of hand. Quote:
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I see...well, if everybody complains about characters being horribly developed (i.e. Cagalli, Shinn, ShinnxStellar), I guess it's not that bad that a fair number of character moments are lost in the movies. Honestly, my main concern with the compilations were as simple as not wanting them to be a WORSE experience than watching the already bad-reviewed series. I can live with less battles (more so considering they rehash animations), but I couldn't say the same about losing coherence in the plot (with a plot that isn't that great from the beggining). Anyway, to sum it up: if the movies fix issues, avoid flashbacks and shape a better storyline, I'm gonna go with them, cause I really want to see the end of the story (at least for know). I think it's the exact opposite of the Zeta Gundam movies: I never intended to watch them because they destroyed the original storyline in the "translation". Me watching the Seed Destiny movies (and asking for opinions here) is all about trying to watch the better product of the same story. If I'm right about this, then my only regret is not watching a lot of the Saviour Gundam. But that's just fanservice and I can always search for the episodes that feature it. |
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If the creators don't want mass-produced Destroys, then it would be easy enough to simply say that they weren't worth fielding in large numbers. Heck, that's already the excuse that's used for the Gundams themselves. Quote:
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The character stuff I miss are things like the general sweep of the character changes, and some of the more fun/interesting character moments. For that matter, I'm probably one of relatively rare people on this forum who liked the ways Shinn and Cagalli's characters were developed.
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"So we MPed all those Destroys,but all units failed...miserably.As we didnt get the desired "once Big Zam is mass-produced..." effect,we give up on those oversized Windams." |
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They only failed against the Mineva crew, you know. The original Destroy did number in Eastern Europe before Freedom & Impulse showed up, and there is no question that they are powerful against anything other than aces.
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And on the storytelling front, the Destroys weren't all that effective in the end, so the creators have a built-in reason to not ever bring them or similar units up again if they so wish.
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I think the annoucement of the G00 movie as well as the production of the UC project pretty much confirms that the Seed movie is mothballed/scuttled. Is it a possibility that one day it might be done, sure, anything is possible. But it appears Sunrise and Bandai have moved on from the CE universe.
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