Do you honestly think that two very prideful people would let go of two very powerful cards (Tatsuya for the Yotsuba, Mayumi for Saegusa) without one upping the other.
Mayumi might want it, Tatsuya might see the benefit, but the Yotsuba and Saegusa would not arrange a marriage contract for the two unless the benefits that they would received is greater than the other.
Pride is one tough bitch!
The Yotsuba and Saegusa have pride in spades.
I stated why they would in the post above. Maya will because she feels that she may not be able to control Tatsuya, and well, the other reaosns for both mentioned above. And Tatsuya will be marrying into the Sagues in my scenario. They both think they are gaining an advantage there. And as for why Myuki will allow it ill drop a post in after im done with my essay. Maybe.
OK...I'm going to stay away from the shipping for now. And I'm just going to go and say I have a feeling Maya's going to drop something completely unexpected in the future.
Could you put your comment in spoiler tag if it is too long, please.
I am tempted to complaint about how bad the forced marriage is, Ultra.
It's way~~~ worse than Yotsuba's attempt to control him.
So please, stop. Im losing myself....cant control the urge... must stay away from the grueling shipping war...
I stated why they would in the post above. Maya will because she feels that she may not be able to control Tatsuya, and well, the other reaosns for both mentioned above. And Tatsuya will be marrying into the Sagues in my scenario. They both think they are gaining an advantage there. And as for why Myuki will allow it ill drop a post in after im done with my essay. Maybe.
I'm going to debate you tomorrow. It's 10:36pm in the Philippines and my class tomorrow starts at 8:00am...
But I'll leave this post as a Good Night...
I posted this before but the author would basically sign Mahouka's death sentence if Tatsuya and Miyuki does not end up together....
Tatsuya is Maya's clone.
Miyuki is a Yandere.
I'm going to write a fanfiction where Tatsuya, Miyuki, Erika, and Mayumi would dance the vertical tango...
Could you put your comment in spoiler tag if it is too long, please.
I am tempted to complaint about how bad the forced marriage is, Ultra.
It's way~~~ worse than Yotsuba's attempt to control him.
If that engagement ever picks up...I can't help but wonder who the lucky loser would be.
I feel sorry for both the guy and Miyuki. Miyuki because she'll never love him and if she goes through with it will be guaranteed a life of misery; and the guy because having Miyuki as your wife would be like being married to a lioness: she looks beautiful, but she'll eat you alive if you can't control her.
Ok time to end this war so we can discuss about the upcoming anime and let the people who has question be answer#!
Ill sink your ship, even if my ship sink in the process#!
(which i doubt will happen )
So without further a due:
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What benefits? he cant even lust after someone. And he has people closer to him then Erika, so she doesnt cover anything.
My my what a dirty mind you have> What I meant is equality and exchange. You do that for me I do you a favor. For real friends like Erika and Tatsuya, they dont need it as long as both of them are happy or satisfied with the result.
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They ordered him, thus splitting the responsibility of the kills between the co, and the person who carried it out. That is what Kazuma means by "splitting the responsibility." And again, he would have done it anyway simply to avoid Miyuki from being to drawn in to the invasion. And again, they KNOW his background, including the fact he was raised for that and is not squeamish in that regard. I've covered this already in one of my posts, your going around in circles.
No matter how much you sugar quote, Tatsuya is the one who is killing. Sanada order Tatsuya to heal his comrades that was injured for over an hour. He might show worries but in the end they cant do anything to help Tatsuya; they could have just retreated the injured soldier rather than asking Tatsuya to do it. Again at that time Miyuki is already outside the battle field, reinforcement has already arrive, whats the point of annihilating the enemy using Tatsuya?
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Your point? Tats doesn't get involved with the 101st battalion unless its in situations like this. You see him day in and out going to school. He rarely contacts them, unless its for details he needs on his end or to "adjust" something (mobile suit, third eye). And again, he would have got involved anyway. It just then Kazuma ordered him to. Thus splitting up the responsibilities.
Still equality and exchange You do that for me, ill let you order me around.
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Or are you saying that Tats has no problems killing people here? cause if so, well that contradicts another of your posts.
War setting what is Tatsuya priority? Lead Miyuki to safety while killing or Kill everything that stand in his path.....Tatsuya did both of it.
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By admitting my point, it also comes with the fact that your admitting that there are other people closer to understanding then Tatsuya then Erika ever will amongst his friends. Which was the point i was making.
You make it sounds like there are people who currently know Tatsuya better than Miyuki? The moment Tatsuya reveal he is a Yotsuba, is the moment Erika ties all the puzzle to why he has a scarred body, why he is always by Miyuki's side, why he is so strong. beside knowing secret doesnt mean understanding, what i mean is understanding the personality of the one who is keeping the secret.
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Irrelevant to the point. Your mixing up the two brothers here and the yokohama and Lina arc. First, its quite clear that she has confidence in both her brothers abilities. second, yokohama arc the police help protect civilians, military fight them back, thus were the roles divided in yokohama arc. Third, her other brother (the one in the military) was assigned to observe and if necessary to protect tats in the Lina arc. fourth , still no example of when she was willing to fight either brothers because of Tats (deceive one, yes, but not fight). Last, this point is irrelevant.The argument is that Erika is not the closest person to understanding him outside of Miyuki, nor is she closer to him then any other of his friends, how does this relate?
Toshi was the one at war, Nao was the one on Lina arc?
Police and Military prioritize mission and civilians.
It was vol. 11 where Erika and Nao face off.
She was cross sword/duel with Nao; but in the Nao prioritize Leo than his mission to look after Tatsuya. again unlike Leo, Miki, Mizuki; Erika knows Tatsuya circumstances. Knowing Tatsuya is a Yotsuba is his biggest puzzle. In mahouka your lineage is what defines you.
Ok another major difference with 101 and Erika is that 101 battalion isnt willing to understand Tatsuya or tell me they understand Tatsuya's goal of making the world a better place for magicians, they are the frikin Military, they wouldnt want to stand equal with those powerless chumps. Those guys only think how to raise their ranks
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Irrelevant to the point. First, my guess. Since it doesnt actually say anything. The ships need to be close for Itsuwa to use her magic, and she is a cripple, not to mention the time to contact her, get her in position. Tatsuya could deploy right away, and has no restrictions on distance. He was the faster and more reliably solution.
Well it was my bad; but I was only defending as to why Tatsuya was chosen if they understands him? This is the same reason why Maya got angry and called in Kazama....#! Because they breach the contract of using Tatsuya as a SC mage. Kazama just wanted to show off his pawn to the gov. to raise some ranks
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I'm saying school is good for him because hes associating with people who don't have the same manipulative and cynical personality as him and are unlike him and that he can use first high database to research into his goal.. She is saying its a waste of his talents and should quit. How are they the same?
You forget Tatsuya join HS isnt all for the research it was for Miyuki; meeting his first friends made it fun for him. Why would you want to look at Tatsuya as manipulative and cynical. dont forget your place as a reader; you are interpreting that whatever Tatsuya do is manipulative and cynical.From recent development he is more honest and outgoing now. He is able to leave Miyuki with her friends, so he can stay with his.
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Sooo, your saying Erika is prepared to kill a friend if need be no hesitations if they clash with her objective? The way Kazuma and Tatsuya are? no, she isn't. That is a soldiers mindset, a hardened soldier at that. Not a high school students, no matter if its swordsman or not. She is willing to "fight" or "clash", not kill.
Yes. she is; she did comment that prolonging life to a soon to be dead is against her principle and shed rather kill him/her even if Tatsuya did warned her not to kill the host.
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They know all his secrets, the core members do in fact keep contact despite the fact that they shouldn't really, outside of missions or 101st related tasks. Being soldiers, there training and mindsets would be similar (case in point, kazuma) since there soldiers. And Erika and co have only known him for about a year, and Tats would have no doubt have interacted with members of the 101st for longer. So yes, I do.
They might know his secret but knowing and understanding the person in hidden to those secret is difference. They never tried to understand Tatsuya, they see him as a soldier because he acts like one. Even Haruka commented that it feels like she talking to an old military guy when talking to him. Meaning their impression of Tatsuya is a soldier not a person at age of 17. Monitoring someone from the shadow doesnt mean they understand him better. Dont forget they are soldiers their mission is to monitor Tatsuya not to be friends with him.
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And lets go over a tab of the lovely secrets he has been keeping, and how much Erika has worked out.
Taurus silver?No
Sc Magician? No
Yotsuba? Partly, she thinks hes part of the clan
Experiment subject, unable to feel "stronger" emotions? No
His own bs magic abilities? getting close, but no
Detached from his "weaker" emotions? yes
Guardian? No
Training he has endured since young? no, seen the scars, wont be able to understand the circumstances. (That it was all for training)
Understanding his cynical personality? No
His abnormal growing up circumstances? No
Fixated on Miyuki? Yes, but needed Mizuki to point that out
quite a list of no's there.
Knowing he is a Yotsuba answered most of that.
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Taurus silver?The only person who guess this is Azusa
Sc Magician? No one knows this yet, Tatsuya commented that Erika is still the closest to uncover this.
Yotsuba? yes(No matter what you say he is a Yotsuba formally registered)
Experiment subject, unable to feel "stronger" emotions? Tatsuya have only said this to Honoka
His own bs magic abilities? Yes, mostly everyone knows because Miyuki explain regrowth(them commenting how imbalance Tatsuya) and Tatsuya had shown his decomposition magic to Erika almost everytime.
Detached from his "weaker" emotions? yes
Guardian? You can say it as yes due to Yotsuba having this tradition and answers why Tatsuya only see Miyuki (which turned out to be false)
Training he has endured since young? Yes; Erika is a martial artist too so she knows that you wont get that trough ordinary training.
Understanding his cynical personality? Yes(no matter how much you deny it, this is one of the reason Erika and Tatsuya have in common, basically their mutual understanding)
His abnormal growing up circumstances? Yes, knowing that he is a Yotsuba already answers this
Fixated on Miyuki? Yes, but needed Mizuki to point that out(which is later found out to be false or he is developing special concern for friends)
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He didn't calculate to make Honoka fall for him, but she did nonetheless. So he uses it. He expected that Erika would work it out, given how perceptive she is, that he is a yotsuba at least, just not at that moment, but she did. So he used it. Same circumstances. There are no differences. He wasn't trying to make Honoka fall for him, he didn't feed information or intend for Erika to work it out but they both did nonetheless. So he uses it to his advantage. Completely the same.
Wow you really only have an eye for Tatsuya being manipulative, you never know how much Tatsuya regret or guilt he has by using them; BTW Tatsuya payed alot for using Erika which, She would gladly help him even if he isnt a Yotsuba.The difference between Erika and Honoka here is that Erika now knows the circumstances while Honoka is still in the dark following blindly a shadow.
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Very nice, you made a point for me. My point was that calling him an extra would still be accurate, since the clan members generally don't interact with him at all if they can help it, even going so far as to be openly antagonistic towards him. And you just admitted they do in the above.
Well he is still registered as a Yotsuba; no matter how much you say hes an extra he isnt. Isnt it much better if hes an extra so he wouldnt be treated that way and that he wouldnt be bind to the Yotsuba?
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When did they flirt? quote the example. And don't refer to Erika losing her shirt or whatever, Tatsuya was going through the options he could say, and that happened due to circumstance, besides he wasn't interested. You said "flirt with each other", and you've admitted before he cant see her that way in one of your statements somewhere above, thats why your arguing the "friends" case. So again, you contradicted yourself.
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"Tatsuya, do you like those types of girls?"
"No, you’re much prettier Erika."
"…I’m not going to fall for that monotone voice of yours."
Even though she was glaring at him, her face was subtly red.
"Sorry, I’m not used to it."
"…Aahhh! Why are you always…"
She started mumbling something but thankfully, she stopped harassing Tatsuya, so he was able to focus his attention on the swordsma
If strangers can flirt with each other, what stopping friends from flirting with ea other?
There are always contradiction when you are trying to defend; thats jsut human nature or rather bcuz you are showing proof from proof.
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Read the translations. He simply brought out the LPS he had on his mobile terminal, looked up Erika's mobile, and followed the red dot on the school map. No real effort on his part. Not to mention she was close. He could have done that much for anyone, doesn't sound like much effort.
Then let me ask you; do you think Tatsuya would spare a headache just for a girl; and that isnt Miyuki? The thing to look here isnt the effort but the feelings.
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Irrelevant. I am arguing that Tatsuya never sees her as more then a friend, and there are friends that understand her more then Erika. I never mentioned anything about Erika's feeling. So how is Erika's feelings relevant to this argument? It's not, especially since i never denied in the first place that Erika is interested in Tats.
Its pretty much relevant due to her feeling is what led her to discover Tatsuya secret.Wanting to understand about the person you like is pretty much logical.
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The point there was that both get along well enough to read each other, and it would be a political marriage. Tats lack of love is irrelevant, he does it for other reasons, which were mentioned in that post...... Is it possible you don't have an argument for the match?
To crush your ship; They might read each other well, but they dont get along well; Tatsuya just doesnt want the trouble of Mayumi; If you ever found an example Tatsuya purposely wants to talk to Tatsuya alone; pls feel free to give one. As for political marriage yes Yotsuba has benefit for having an alliance with the Seagusa but thats if Yotsuba is willing to hand over Tatsuya. Miyuki and Maya are both control freak. they wont hand over Tatsuya to anyone much less to a Seagusa. They would rather get a Honoka for her genes, Kitayama for their wealth or Chiba for Military and Police power. well theyre rather get the small family at their wings.
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Could you put your comment in spoiler tag if it is too long, please.
I am tempted to complaint about how bad the forced marriage is, Ultra.
It's way~~~ worse than Yotsuba's attempt to control him.
So please, stop. Im losing myself....cant control the urge... must stay away from the grueling shipping war...
Calm down my man...
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Originally Posted by Lucarion
If that engagement ever picks up...I can't help but wonder who the lucky loser would be.
I feel sorry for both the guy and Miyuki. Miyuki because she'll never love him and if she goes through with it will be guaranteed a life of misery; and the guy because having Miyuki as your wife would be like being married to a lioness: she looks beautiful, but she'll eat you alive if you can't control her.
I know right; its like Miya and Tatsurou all over again.
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to Believe is to Live,
to Ship is to Believe,
the best part of believe is the Lie,
to Lie to oneself is to Live
and that is the Essence of Life
I know right; its like Miya and Tatsurou all over again.
except Miyuki already said she won't let anyone have her body except Tatsuya lol. It's would be eternal suffering having such a gorgeous wife but being unable to ever touch her.
Why not discuss about something more interesting like...how do you manage to bypass Phalanx if you are not Maya?
Shoot him in the back from a kilometer away with a high powered sniper rifle before he notices you.
Be Tatsuya.
Saturate his defenses with strong attacks (would require several military level magicians. Or Lina.)
Anti-Magic (Be Tats)
Mental Interference Magic.
Overpower him with Area Interference (Be Miyuki/Lina)
Fire an attack he can't block (Be Lina)
That's all I got, and most of those are built off of speculation and power-scaling (I know Lina >>> Juumonji, which would imply Heavy Metal Burst >>> Phalanx, etc.)
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