2007-01-30, 10:44 | Link #81 | |
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Oh and Rurik... grow up man. Digging my old posts just to prove what??? Lol that is pretty lame and st.... Just because you can't come up with a meaningful argument you have to resolve to this. Like I said before, Shika is an idiot for trying to take on the two Akatsuki with just Choji and Ino. This is one of the reasons why I can't just jump into a connclusion that Shika is the best strategist. It's not that I don't like his character because I do. I'm just saying that the manga has not shown him to be the best but one of the best strategists. It is too early to say that he is the best and made a critical mistake (mentioned above) that would have cost them his and his team's lives if it wasn't for Kakashi volunteering his help. Last edited by chuckcsf; 2007-01-30 at 10:56. |
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So actually, is not pretty lame, is just showed a reality. And I did use meaningful argument; however the best you could do is say it is not. Quote:
As Sazelyt mentioned, You don’t know that, It could had been better or worst, Shika changed his plan when Kakashi was introduced to the team, get that He changed the plan. So of he changed his plan, we don’t know the success rate the previous plan could had have. You are Jumping to conclusions here. Quote:
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2007-01-30, 11:25 | Link #83 |
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Rurik, whatever man... I'm tired of arguing with a child. I call my friends idiots but I still like em... and let me show you why you are not using your comon sense.
As it is rightnow, Kakashi, Ino and Chouji were pretty much done for and would have been goners if it wasn't for the back up team. So Shika made a worse Strategy because of Kakashi? Are you saying that Kakashi is a burden and not an asset? |
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You don’t know if without Kakashi the Plan Shikamaru had before hand would have worked out better than the one with Kakashi, is not that Kakashi is a burden, rather, he is variable in an Equation. A Variable in an equation doesn’t mean it would give value to the result, it would just throw a different or same results than the previous equation that did not included that variable. So the first plan made by Shika could had been completely different from the One made with Kakashi, and hence we don’t know the success rate of this plan compared to the one with Kakashi. To put it better, The queen is the strongest piece in Chess, however that doesn’t mean strategies made by lesser pieces cant be better than those who are made using the Queen. And once again you failed to asnwer my question of who you think is the best strategist shown in the series.
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2007-01-30, 11:56 | Link #85 |
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So you don't know if it's worse or better... well comon sense dictates (mine atleast) that it was worse since they are having a hard time already even with Kakashi. With this fact, it is safe to conclude that Shika's previous plan would have caused his team to be wiped out since I don't think Kakashi could make his plan a worse plan. Yes the strategy changed but it was a good change. If it was a bad change... then that means Shika is not that good of a strategist if he made a bad change. If it is a good change in strategy then his previous plan sucked.
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My point is (and I guess is what Saze was talking about) that even if he made a better strategy with Kakashi, that doesn't mean the previous one without him was doomed, and that even this one with kakashi need Help of people not in the plan (maybe), So, talking about plot wise, without kakashi, something similar would had happened and at the precise moment get saved by others but not until part of Shikas plans ot completed up to the end (like what Happened with Tayuya). Which makes me think, could Shika have tough about reinforcement as part of the Plan?
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2007-01-30, 15:40 | Link #87 | |
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It would be easy to make plans by taking into account the strength of your team - the things you have under your command. Estimating in what way unknown reinforcements with unknown abilities can help you would be more difficult to propose an action against unknown enemies. |
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2007-01-30, 15:55 | Link #88 | |
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Yeah, I guess you are right: Don’t use outside factor in your plan, and more about the unknown who that back up might be. But, I was thinking more as as a factor that could affect the plan., and not actually a part needed for the plan to be succesful.
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2007-01-30, 16:03 | Link #90 | |
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I was thinking like that. but, neh, Shikamaru it still too far away from been Bat-Man.
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