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[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by stillmissing

Spoiler for vol 20:

As for the new clone series, from what's being said, they seem to be directly under Crowley's control. That, and the fact that they seem to be designed to suicide, makes Mikoto successfully saving them even less likely than her saving the original clones. Under these circumstances, I'm not sure even Accelerator could save them.

All Mikoto finding out about them would accomplish is hurting her even more.

Spoiler for answer:

Overcoming her grudges towards Accelerator and then both working together to save the sisters, that would be a big development of character for her because both of them would be sharing the same goals.

[stillmissing]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Spoiler for answer:

Overcoming her grudges towards Accelerator and the working with him Accelerator, that would be a big development of character for her.

I think you're overstating this "grudge". You can correct me if I'm wrong, since it's been a while for me, but I honestly don't remember her thinking about Accelerator even once after the arc ended in any of the books.

As I said, he was an obstacle to the sisters being saved. And once Touma forced him out of the way, and the Sisters were saved, she never gave him another thought. He isn't a part of her life, and despite being the genetic template for Last Order, she isn't a part of his either.

[SoggySoyBean]

Originally Posted by stillmissing

I don't know about that. Off the top of my head, I can't remember Mikoto ever giving Accelerator a second thought after the end of the Sisters arc. To be sure, when she witnessed him killing 9982 in Railgun, she tried to kill him. But past that point, her attention turned elsewhere, and the role he occupied was simply that of an insurmountable obstacle in the way of her objective of saving her sisters. And even when Touma brought the notion of "defeating" him back onto the table, neither of them even considered killing him. And after it was over her thoughts were about her Sisters' continued well being and her gratitude towards Touma for his role in saving them.

And anyway, she didn't place the blame for the massacres on the scientists, who created the experiment, nor on the administrators who approved it all and covered it up, and no, not even on Accelerator who carried them out. Mikoto placed the blame squarely on her own shoulders and bore the burden of thousands of deaths as if she herself had killed them. The issue is that Mikoto is one of those characters who is "too good". She should have hated the scientists, she should have hated the administrators, and she should have hated Accelerator, but ultimately, she only hated herself.

Despite her mask of cynicism, Mikoto is ultimately as much a starry eyed idealist as Touma. And just like him, she desperately wants to see the best in others. Having said that, could she ever trust Accelerator? Presumably we mean could she trust him to protect Last Order and the other Sisters? It would be a hard sell, to be sure unless she actually saw him risking his life for Last Order or the others. But if the explanation were to come out of Last Order's mouth rather than his, it's not all that unlikely honestly. I don't think he could, or honestly would even try, to communicate his feelings and intentions properly.

Ultimately though, this is probably all academic. The amount of time the two of them have interacted in their lifetimes is measured in minutes. And I don't really see any indication that this is going to change much. Within the scope of the series, Mikoto is a character in Touma's story, and she really isn't part of Accelerator's story.

Indeed there is a lack of consequence and fallout, it all just kinda abruptly cuts off and we're onto a different story. We don't really see how Mikoto and the clones feel, just that they foster no hostilities and Mikoto acts like Accelerator doesn't even exist afterwards. We do get a lot of Last Order trying to explain everything, good thing the events of vol. 20 support her argument

Spoiler for vol. 20 maybe:

hmmm i wonder if all the resentment and revenge theme will be filled in by the new batch of sisters

[stillmissing]

Originally Posted by SoggySoyBean

We do get a lot of Last Order trying to explain everything, good thing the events of vol. 20 support her argument

This was absolutely vital on Kamachi's part. Accelerator was the first "real villain" introduced in the story. Kaori and Stiyl only fought Touma because they were trying to protect Index, and even Izzard with his terrible methods was after the same thing. Taken by itself however, vol 3 presented Accelerator as thoroughly unsympathetic.

As Kamachi intended Accelerator to take on the mantle of the series' anti-hero, it was vital to turn that around and begin to present more sympathetic aspects to his character and to show that he's not as bad as he initially appeared.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by stillmissing

I think you're overstating this "grudge". You can correct me if I'm wrong, since it's been a while for me, but I honestly don't remember her thinking about Accelerator even once after the arc ended in any of the books.

Spoiler for .:

Didn't she tried to prevent Tree Diagram remnants to be recovered?? She hates the experiment and sure the candidate for this project. Her grudge can return if the chance is given, as the author did to show that Accelerator wasn't that bad.

As I said, he was an obstacle to the sisters being saved. And once Touma forced him out of the way, and the Sisters were saved, she never gave him another thought. He isn't a part of her life, and despite being the genetic template for Last Order, she isn't a part of his either.

Spoiler:

Both Accelerator, because of his rare powers, and Mikoto, because of a mental link trough her electric powers shared to the sister, were responsible for the project was proposed.
Touma said it to Mikoto, and Last order said the same to Accelerator, they are indirectly responsible for giving them life.

[SoggySoyBean]

Originally Posted by stillmissing

This was absolutely vital on Kamachi's part. Accelerator was the first "real villain" introduced in the story. Kaori and Stiyl only fought Touma because they were trying to protect Index, and even Izzard with his terrible methods was after the same thing. Taken by itself however, vol 3 presented Accelerator as thoroughly unsympathetic.

As Kamachi intended Accelerator to take on the mantle of the series' anti-hero, it was vital to turn that around and begin to present more sympathetic aspects to his character and to show that he's not as bad as he initially appeared.

Definitely a challenging task given his prior actions suggest something deeply rooted in him.

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Spoiler:

Both Accelerator, because of his rare powers, and Mikoto, because of a mental link trough her electric powers shared to the sister, were responsible for the project was proposed.
Touma said it to Mikoto, and Last order said the same to Accelerator, they are indirectly responsible for giving them life.

Ahh but Mikoto discovers that the clones were initially made for other purposes. The Level 6 Shift project was just a revamp of the canceled Sisters and Radio Noise projects. The clones already existed prior to Accelerators involvement.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by SoggySoyBean

Ahh but Mikoto discovers that the clones were initially made for other purposes. The Level 6 Shift project was just a revamp of the canceled Sisters and Radio Noise projects. The clones already existed prior to Accelerators involvement.

Thing is they were all manipulated by Aleister Crowley for his Just As Planned. I have a feeling the other Level 6 project was another smokescreen too. Maybe that is why Kihara's old man is missing. (Six feet under courtesy of Crowley)

[SoggySoyBean]

Though, even if they were i doubt LO, or anyone would know, right?

[shmaster]

Notes one Accelerator's power, everyone must read

Spoiler:

Accelerator can work against magic, but INCOMPLETLY. When magic make contact with Accelerator's power, instead of getting reflected, it'll dissipate into colorful light. And even Accelerator himself does not undersatnd how this happens.

Also, it has been confirmed Accelerator's power can reflect TELEPORTATION.

Finally, he has modified his battery and successfuly reduce its consumption by 90%, he is not running out of battery anytime soon.

A few things that that 2ch spoiler left out

Spoiler:

The 4 element has been twisted and no one has realized it. I assume people are already feeling weird why Vent's element is Uriel, the angel of earth and Terra's element being Rahael the angel of wind. The truth is, the 4 elements has been swapped and Uriel and Raphael's element got reversed. Also, Fianma is capable of using Gabriel's power thanks to this twist. According to Fianma, this why Gabriel use the name Misha, the abbreviated form of Michail, the alternate spelling of Michael. It is highly possible that Gabriel got swapped into Michael's element.

Also, as a side note, the Pope has finally recovered from his damage and set off to stop Fianma.

[MeisterBabylon]

Originally Posted by shmaster

A few things that that 2ch spoiler left out

Spoiler:

The 4 element has been twisted and no one has realized it. I assume people are already feeling weird why Vent's element is Uriel, the angel of earth and Terra's element being Rahael the angel of wind. The truth is, the 4 elements has been swapped and Uriel and Raphael's element got reversed. Also, Fianma is capable of using Gabriel's power thanks to this twist. According to Fianma, this why Gabriel use the name Misha, the abbreviated form of Michail, the alternate spelling of Michael. It is highly possible that Gabriel got swapped into Michael's element.

Also, as a side note, the Pope has finally recovered from his damage and set off to stop Fianma.

Spoiler for Query:

I take it that this element swopping happened during Angel Fall and stayed that way since?

[Nya~n]

Don't think so. Aqua's element was still water in the England Civil War arc, last i heard.

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by SoggySoyBean

Spoiler for vol. 20 maybe:

hmmm i wonder if all the resentment and revenge theme will be filled in by the new batch of sisters

Spoiler for Reply:

Good theory. While the 1st generation sisters may have forgiven him due to their lack emotions, the 2nd generation on the other hand may not since their state of mind was based on Mikoto who was emotionally angry and suicidal during the Sisters incident.

Speaking of revenge, i thinking about writing my fanfic about this Sister clone who survived the Level 6 experiment who seeks revenge against Accelerator.
What of your thought about it?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

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Btw Chaoz is it alright to skip vol 08? then start with vol 09? I just don't find it interesting reading a vol about kuroko and judgment.

Yes, it's alright.

The whole reason I was suckered into reading volume 8 is because I learnt that Touma (and Mikoto) saved Kuroko at the end... And I just wanted to see that happen If you're a fan of Mikoto, then you'll be please to know that she appears quite alot in this volume.

Originally Posted by shmaster

Notes one Accelerator's power, everyone must read

Spoiler:

Accelerator can work against magic, but INCOMPLETLY. When magic make contact with Accelerator's power, instead of getting reflected, it'll dissipate into colorful light. And even Accelerator himself does not undersatnd how this happens.

Also, it has been confirmed Accelerator's power can reflect TELEPORTATION.

Finally, he has modified his battery and successfuly reduce its consumption by 90%, he is not running out of battery anytime soon.

YES!! IT CAN REFLECT TELEPORTATION! I WAS RIGHT! WOOHOO!

...Eh, how?

*cough*

Maybe that colourful light is the basic form of magic? Somehow his filter can identify magic as a threat, but it can't control it? So it reduce it to something harmless...

Originally Posted by shmaster

A few things that that 2ch spoiler left out

Spoiler:

The 4 element has been twisted and no one has realized it. I assume people are already feeling weird why Vent's element is Uriel, the angel of earth and Terra's element being Rahael the angel of wind. The truth is, the 4 elements has been swapped and Uriel and Raphael's element got reversed. Also, Fianma is capable of using Gabriel's power thanks to this twist. According to Fianma, this why Gabriel use the name Misha, the abbreviated form of Michail, the alternate spelling of Michael. It is highly possible that Gabriel got swapped into Michael's element.

Also, as a side note, the Pope has finally recovered from his damage and set off to stop Fianma.

I've always thought the elements that God's Right Seat represented comes from their names/titles like,

Aqua = Water
Terra = Earth
Vent = Wind

And not the Archangels that they represent?

Good old Pope... Finally one that's not evil...

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Sorry I'm late for the party, alot of things I don't get though... What the hell is going on in Russia ? Base on my impression of the previous volume, I thought this would just be a simple rescue operation, suddenly it's an all out war between Academy City and the Motherland !!

Also, as much as I like Touma, his fight scenes are really uninspiring. The only good fights he had are those that he tag teams with other people, recently I read volume 10 and his fight with Oriana is like that... So you can see why I dislike the idea of him beating out Accelerator again... Even if it was a beserking Accelerator. I mean, doesn't he have to be as fast as Kihara to even stand a chance against those wings?!

On a more positive note, what's this about an Imagine Breaker upgrade ?

P.S - Wait, Fiamma has a sword? What's that about?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Yes, it's alright.


On a more positive note, what's this about an Imagine Breaker upgrade ?

Not an upgrade I think kinda like Stiyl's flame monster can't be erased totally by IB due to regeneration IB can only interfere with Black Wings mode Accelerator.

Guess Touma's survival instinct is hax enough during Accelerator's rampage. Basically Touma punched Accelerator to stop being an emo don't depend on him that even Accelerator can be a hero and save his loli.

If Kaori and Styil are told to stop being side characters in the first volume Touma is saying to Accelerator to quit this post villain/anti-hero attitude and be a hero.

Well anyway Touma did save Accelerator's loli for the moment with IB. (Way to go hero after that motivational speech.)

edit: Why do I get the feeling Mikoto is going to get irritated if she hears Touma gave this motivational speech to Accelerator while he told her during the Sisters arc to back down and he'll take care of it. Oi Is that discrimination of genders?

[redadonis]

Well, Touma's biggest weapons is "Never give up, Never surrender" and thanks to IB he can't even consider magic as a last ditch. I'm not too sure about the upgrade for IB now since someone mentioned that all he did was pulling on one of accel's wing and made him loosing balance.... this is kinda like how IB going against strong magic/powers, it's not "strong" enough to erase all of it. I guess somehow the wing went even with IB and touma was able to grab hold of it.

I think the colorful lights that got reflected is telesma, since mana is used to invoke the spell to "borrow" angelic powers to perform miracles. This should work since AIM is very similar to the current system involving telesma.

[Chaos2Frozen]

How does Imagine Breaker help stabilize Last Order's condition? She's in this mess because of Aiwass overloading the Misaka Network right?

Originally Posted by redadonis

Could be because he took some shots from fia, terra did hint that if the IB was a bit more stronger/have more experience it would have had a wider effect area and more control. Maybe going against a similar power have had some stimulation effect to IB.

'Experience'? Sounds like it's referring to Touma than Imagine Breaker... I mean, what kind of experience does it need?

Hey, a thought just occured to me- Maybe the Holy Stone in his hand is somehow making Touma more stronger and resilience. I mean, between the events of volume 7 to 12, Touma has been in and out of the hospital three times, while the injuries that Kuroko and Himegami took kept them in the hospital all this while...

If the Holy Stone is a divine Artifact, maybe it's trying to protect it's host?

[Hell_ping]

^Chaos2Frozen, wouldn't the IB's nullify the holy stone effect? It did break something as powerful as Index's walking church after all.

Btw, Vol 7 Chp 4 done. Together with part 8 of Vol 13 Chp 8

Speaking of how Touma's fights are boring, it'll be a crime if his combat capabilities are on par with the dorm supervisor.

@Sandman, thanks for your comment.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

^Wouldn't that conflict with the Imagine Breaker's capabilities?

It could, or we can play around with the hints and say that Imagine Breaker isn't complete yet, and that slowly it's gaining power.

Yeah, this would probably be a bust, but I really want to see Imagine Breaker live up to all the hype from being the one that 'sealed off the Lord of Hell for thousands of years'. Everyone from Fiamma to Aleister has been wary of it but so far it's not that scary.

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Btw, Vol 7 Chp 4 done. Together with part 8 of Vol 13 Chp 8

Just Read Vol 13, chap 8, part 8, crazy stuff... Accelerator was really pissed to use that attack on the Windowless Building.

[Bangirasu]

Vol 20

Spoiler:

Is true that No.6 Level 5 appears?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

How does Imagine Breaker help stabilize Last Order's condition? She's in this mess because of Aiwass overloading the Misaka Network right?

I think it is similar to Touma curing that magically cursed girl in the same volume LO was introduced.