Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[XFire]

Originally Posted by pampz21

We are talking about Erika POV in that fight; of course you wont get any detailed magic explanation; Its Erika after all. Most explanation we only got are Light magic, move type magic which she isn't even sure meaning they are all vague(the author probably use Erika to give the enemy a vague or enigmatic feeling to it). If you talking about Lina being distracted, she always is. Even against Tatsuya. she just clumsy. Erika's purpose is to capture her not to kill her; if you know her personally its not her style to show mercy. she doesnt hesitate unlike Lina or Miyuki. Inertia control is to stop her blade; so that it can change its course the way she wants it. Only magic she use was speed type magic; meaning Erika was really unprepared for that fight; not knowing the entire situation unlike their vampire hunt she was fully equip with Yamatsunami. Erika using physical abilities was her own tactics, because she doesn't have anything other than inertia control and self acceleration magic.

What light magic? The "light" she sees is explicitly described as being Psion light, not light magic. And her not knowing doesn't help your case, it points out one of Ericas weaknesses.

And I don't mean hesitant to kill, which is her default stance. This is what Tatsuya and others comment on, and this is what you must be talking about, because this is the only fight where she flat-out ignores her opponent.

And about Erica not swinging to kill, she explicitly mentions later on that she always goes as if going for the kill when fighting with a sword.

And how was she unprepared, exactly? She was there looking for a fight, which is why she had her weapon with her. She started the fight by striking (well, trying to strike) Lina from behind.

She doesn't use magic because it wouldn't help. While this is praiseworthy, it doesn't mean she was at anymore of a disadvantage than normal. It would be like this every time they fought.

And again, if Erica gets Yamatsuri, are you going to give Lina Brionac and Miyuki Coctyus?

Originally Posted by pampz21

The only time she was distracted was at the start of the fight it didn't say she was distracted over the course of the fight. well for bring weapon I guess that was my bad; for bringing that up, She didnt even use magic when she hit Lina; in the end even tho she hit first; she lack magic on that confrontation.

It does in fact say she was only paying attention to the vampire fight the entire time. Erica even comments that she needs to take advantage of that or she'll lose the initiative and be crushed.

And she didn't hit first. She hit second, on reflex. Both times.

Originally Posted by pampz21

When I'm taking about precast was at the start of the battle between Miyuki and Lina; Miyuki can never outcast Lina this is already guaranteed by Lina, Mayumi, Mari and the author himself. She knew dancing blade because Tatsuya whispered something before the fight, Lina said so herself.

Yes, that one attack at the beginning was precast. This attack did no damage and Lina immediately did exactly as she was planning to do anyway.

And you're right again. Miyuki knew about Dancing Blade. Lina does say so herself. What exactly is your point? It isn't like Miyuki knew when and where Lina would use it. It launches multiple attacks from blind spots where her Interference didn't reach. And she stops them all cold.

Originally Posted by pampz21

In the end everything is speculations; Lina is still far stronger than Miyuki, so I thought discussing Miyuki vs Erika base on their fight with Lina was a good but that back fire only, never thought it would end up like this. Bottom line is you have to consider the personality, equipment, and environment. Base on personality Miyuki can never hurt Erika because she is Tatsuya's friend and Erika will never hurt Miyuki because he is Tatsuya's sister; they can never fight in the end, their personality would hinder them to fight seriously except for Erika, I think.

Lina is equal to Miyuki. The two of them are repeatedly described as being such. And Lina lost that fight. She herself admits that she would have died had it gone on.

Note the above only applies without Brionac. With that Lina is damn near as strong as Tats and far above Miyuki.

However, that is besides the point. The point is that Erica is far below either of them. Like I said, Lina uses the same tactics as Erica does early on, and Miyuki stops her without effort.

Also, supposing the two come into conflict, it would inevitably be about Tatsuya. And Miyuki would kill anyone for his sake, regardless of their relationship.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Rasen

It's very weird that you always talk about how brilliant and perceptive Erika is, especially in fighting, and then the moment Erika thinks she's going to lose or be killed, you start saying "Erika doesn't know what's she's talking about."



It's a poor excuse to claim Erika is not ready, after she launched a SURPRISE attack.

You know who was even LESS ready? Lina.



In your own words, Erika doesn't have anything else. Ergo, she will always lose in a fight against Lina, and she will always lose against Miyuki.

Unless she manages a successful surprise attack, or if the fight is only physical.

What can you expect the reason we get barely any magic explanation is because Erika doesnt really know. She instinctly know it thats why she was able to see throu Parade and is able to hit her. Which Tatsuya was unable to do till he learned far strike or using surprise attack or take advantage of Lina's mental state.

Well I cant argue with that; what can you do she tried to separate both suspicious character.

Doesnt have anything on the fight between Lina; Erika knows fortification magic; she is able to use Usa...Kagerou something, the tech she taught Leo; meaning Erika has some powerful Data fortification, but isnt able to use the tech because its unsuited for her. This is why I said Erika was magically unprepared. Erika is a specialist, she cant use generalize cad; like Miyuki and Lina, Unlike Tatsuya change his cartilage changes the magic of trident. in Erika's case she only has specialize cad; and engrave magic. meaning Erika will always be magically inept until Tatsuya made Mizuchimaru; which holds lots of engraved magic and Yamatsunami.

If you look at it too; Lina's casting speed and Erika's physical speed; Erika's physical speed is much faster than Lina's casting speed; she hit her first afterall.

Originally Posted by XFire

What light magic? The "light" she sees is explicitly described as being Psion light, not light magic. And her not knowing doesn't help your case, it points out one of Ericas weaknesses.

And I don't mean hesitant to kill, which is her default stance. This is what Tatsuya and others comment on, and this is what you must be talking about, because this is the only fight where she flat-out ignores her opponent.

And about Erica not swinging to kill, she explicitly mentions later on that she always goes as if going for the kill when fighting with a sword.

And how was she unprepared, exactly? She was there looking for a fight, which is why she had her weapon with her. She started the fight by striking (well, trying to strike) Lina from behind.

She doesn't use magic because it wouldn't help. While this is praiseworthy, it doesn't mean she was at anymore of a disadvantage than normal. It would be like this every time they fought.

And again, if Erica gets Yamatsuri, are you going to give Lina Brionac and Miyuki Coctyus?



It does in fact say she was only paying attention to the vampire fight the entire time. Erica even comments that she needs to take advantage of that or she'll lose the initiative and be crushed.

And she didn't hit first. She hit second, on reflex. Both times.



Yes, that one attack at the beginning was precast. This attack did no damage and Lina immediately did exactly as she was planning to do anyway.

And you're right again. Miyuki knew about Dancing Blade. Lina does say so herself. What exactly is your point? It isn't like Miyuki knew when and where Lina would use it. It launches multiple attacks from blind spots where her Interference didn't reach. And she stops them all cold.



Lina is equal to Miyuki. The two of them are repeatedly described as being such. And Lina lost that fight. She herself admits that she would have died had it gone on.

Note the above only applies without Brionac. With that Lina is damn near as strong as Tats and far above Miyuki.

However, that is besides the point. The point is that Erica is far below either of them. Like I said, Lina uses the same tactics as Erica does early on, and Miyuki stops her without effort.

Also, supposing the two come into conflict, it would inevitably be about Tatsuya. And Miyuki would kill anyone for his sake, regardless of their relationship.

Thats why there wasnt enough explanation in the fight. its one her weakness that she cant explain it but generally have an idea what it is.

Flat out ignore her opponent? means she wasnt fighting her and just running away thats what means ignoring your opponent;

Erika would never further torture her opponent is what she means; if she see a dying enemy she will end his/her life; is what she meant by that, but this one she meant to capture the suspicious individuals for questioning. This is one of the reason he was angry at Tatsuya because he let Lina go.

Magic wise she was unprepared; Lina had every arsenal she had except for Brionac and dancing blades(well she might have dancing blade but would be useless in a high speed battle).

She chose not to use any Reinforcement Magic. Against this type of opponent, magical assistance would only achieve the opposite effect, so she relied on her instincts and ability to read her opponent.

Her usual cad is caliberated with reinforment magic; and engrave with inertia control. those are her current magic at that time.

Of course Id give them all the magic they can get. both of those Magic are Target base which prove to be useless; unless surprise attack or they are faster than her.


Knowing your opponents triumph cards is the greatest advantage you can get; because all you need to is wait for it. then use initiative to attack. one of the basic tactics.

What she meant was that both ending up dead. Thats why Tatsuya stop both fights. Tatsuya could have just dispel misphehiem rather than both magic. In the end this was Lina's second fight; another advantage for Miyuki.

Lina is still above Tatsuya and Miyuki. Remember Mist dispersion doesnt apply to parade, meaning tatsuya only move is far strike; which if Lina learns of it she can apply counter to it. If Miyuki havent precast; Lina would have closed the gap, till she can use dancing blade; which Miyuki was informed which will ended the same result which proves Miyuki had alot of advantage in a fight which means she cant fight Lina fair n square. (now you are making me look for Miyuki's weakness).

Ok ok Lets end this with me losing Erika is far below those two, hmmm yeah, heck she even the weakest among the female cast. happy?

Just like you said Miyuki will kill for Tatsuya's sake but not killing Erika is for Tatsuya's sake.

You guys are really making me look for Tatsuya, Miyuki, and Erika's weakness huh? ( I feel like im downgrading my favorite characters in the series)

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Doesnt have anything on the fight between Lina; Erika knows fortification magic; she is able to use Usa...Kagerou something, the tech she taught Leo; meaning Erika has some powerful Data fortification, but isnt able to use the tech because its unsuited for her.

Usaba Kagerou has one requirement: Data Fortification. If she isn't suited to use Usaba Kagerou, that is because her Data Fortification isn't that powerful.

I think she's like Tatsuya in that respect, in that she can teach/invent something because she understands the principles, even if they can't use it themselves in a real-world setting.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Rasen

Usaba Kagerou has one requirement: Data Fortification. If she isn't suited to use Usaba Kagerou, that is because her Data Fortification isn't that powerful.

I think she's like Tatsuya in that respect, in that she can teach/invent something because she understands the principles, even if they can't use it themselves in a real-world setting.

well i guess you are right. Data fortification isnt Erika's finest. but that means that Erika has some talent for Magic abilities; the only one that suited Data fortification is Leo and Lu....speaking of that possibility; Damn I cant wait for Leo to develop his own powerful armor. He will probably be stronger than Lu, because hes a mutant; I wish he ask Tatsuya to develop a magic for him soon.

EDIT: Makes me remember how badass Lu is. 1 vs 4;

[kidswable]

Originally Posted by pampz21

well i guess you are right. Data fortification isnt Erika's finest. but that means that Erika has some talent for Magic abilities; the only one that suited Data fortification is Leo and Lu....speaking of that possibility; Damn I cant wait for Leo to develop his own powerful armor. He will probably be stronger than Lu, because hes a mutant; I wish he ask Tatsuya to develop a magic for him.

Rather than just tatsuya, could he team up with isori to analyze the white armor of lu gonghu and produce stronger engraved armor customized for leo?
Rather than magic, I think teaching him martial art would be more interesting to watch. Maybe Yanagi could teach him something?

[XFire]

*cracks knuckles*

Originally Posted by pampz21

What can you expect the reason we get barely any magic explanation is because Erika doesnt really know. She instinctly know it thats why she was able to see through Parade and is able to hit her. Which Tatsuya was unable to do till he learned far strike or using surprise attack or take advantage of Lina's mental state.

First, Parade projects to the information Dimension. That's why Tatsuya can't hit her with Decomposition. It has no effect on physical attacks.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Well I cant argue with that; what can you do she tried to separate both suspicious character.

You can't argue with any of it

Originally Posted by pampz21

Doesnt have anything on the fight between Lina; Erika knows fortification magic; she is able to use Usa...Kagerou something, the tech she taught Leo; meaning Erika has some powerful Data fortification, but isnt able to use the tech because its unsuited for her. This is why I said Erika was magically unprepared. Erika is a specialist, she cant use generalize cad; like Miyuki and Lina, Unlike Tatsuya change his cartilage changes the magic of trident. in Erika's case she only has specialize cad; and engrave magic. meaning Erika will always be magically inept until Tatsuya made Mizuchimaru; which holds lots of engraved magic and Yamatsunami.

Erica went out looking for a fight. She knew ahead of time that she would engaged against someone able to easily disable Leo. She had all the time she needed to prepare. The only weapon she didn't bring was her gravity guillotine sword (wtf is its name again? Orochi?) which isn't actually hers in the first place.

Originally Posted by pampz21

If you look at it too; Lina's casting speed and Erika's physical speed; Erika's physical speed is much faster than Lina's casting speed; she hit her first afterall.

Wrong. WrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongWRONG.

Her casting speed is absurdly higher. It takes fractions of a second to cast a spell for her. Miyuki is slower and her speed (with a terrible CAD) is so fast Erica and the others just gape at her.

Erica launches a perfect surprise attack, and Lina doesn't notice until the swing is already in motion. She still casts a magic that dodges by three meters or more. She doesn't just outcast Erica's physical speed, she outcasts the damn sword swing.

And Eric. Hit. Second. On reflex as a retaliation to being knocked unconscious.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Thats why there wasnt enough explanation in the fight. its one her weakness that she cant explain it but generally have an idea what it is.

Exactly. This will always be true. It isn't a matter of preparedness.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Flat out ignore her opponent? means she wasnt fighting her and just running away thats what means ignoring your opponent;

Lina was paying attention to the other fight and only reacts to Ericas attacks. And still kicks her ass.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Erika would never further torture her opponent is what she means; if she see a dying enemy she will end his/her life; is what she meant by that, but this one she meant to capture the suspicious individuals for questioning. This is one of the reason he was angry at Tatsuya because he let Lina go.

No, it means she attacks as though going for the kill. She says to do otherwise is to dishonor her sword or something.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Magic wise she was unprepared; Lina had every arsenal she had except for Brionac and dancing blades.

Erica brought her own specialized CAD, made specifically for her. Like I said before, her only other weapons are the guillotine sword (which isn't hers) and the replica Tats made for her (which didn't exist). Both of which are slower than Linas attacks and wouldn't help against Miyuki.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Her usual cad is calibrated with reinforcement magic; and engrave with inertia control. Those are her current magic at that time.

Which are the spells she specializes in. Using other magic would only increase the already huge gap in speed.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Of course Id give them all the magic they can get. both of those Magic are Target base which prove to be useless; unless surprise attack or they are faster than her.

Coctyus is instant. It's Miyukis BS magic and fires as soon as she wants. That means speed of thought. Same for Heavy Metal Burst, which is fast enough Tats can't cancel it.

You appear to be under the mistaken impression that Erica is FTL or something. She is capable of moving at peak human speed, which is nothing to a magician who can detect and stop objects going 300 km/h.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Knowing your opponents triumph cards is the greatest advantage you can get; because all you need to is wait for it. then use initiative to attack. one of the basic tactics.

It's trump card, by the way. And Lina only uses that term to refer to Molecular Divider.

Regardless, Miyuki just knows what Tatsuya knows: Lina can fire remote control knives. She didn't see Lina scatter them. She felt the activation sequence and detected the objects coming towards her at multiple angles. And stopped them.

Originally Posted by pampz21

What she meant was that both ending up dead. Thats why Tatsuya stop both fights. Tatsuya could have just dispel misphehiem rather than both magic. In the end this was Lina's second fight; another advantage for Miyuki.

No. Lina was the only one who would have died. This is said in the text. She was losing the confrontation because of exhaustion and because Miyuki was better in that kind of fight. So she tried to dual cast, which would have gotten her killed.

Also, why would he dispel Muspelheim? That was Lina's magic. Dispersing that would just have gotten her killed quicker. And dispelling Niflheim would have killed Miyuki. He shot them both down to prevent the clash from going further. It was basically a Beam-o-war with area control spells, whichever gave in would disappear and the caster would be hit by the other spell.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Lina is still above Tatsuya and Miyuki. Remember Mist dispersion doesnt apply to parade, meaning tatsuya only move is far strike; which if Lina learns of it she can apply counter to it. If Miyuki haven't precast; Lina would have closed the gap, till she can use dancing blade; which Miyuki was informed which will ended the same result which proves Miyuki had alot of advantage in a fight which means she cant fight Lina fair n square. (now you are making me look for Miyuki's weakness).

Tatsuya shot through Parade with Mist Dispersion after training. And he countered it even earlier by blowing her up with a grenade.

Lina used the exact same move she was going to use on Miyuki after shrugging off the precast. In fact, she attacked while Miyuki was preparing the follow-up to that attack. She didn't plan on using Dancing Blade, with good reason. If she just fired it off, it would be a direct attack from the front. Which would end up exactly like her projectile buttons (lol).

Miyuki's only real advantage was Lina being tired, and the only effect this had was to make her want to end the fight quickly before it negatively affected her.

Lina knew about Miyuki's magic from sparring and research. She was there partly to investigate them, remember? And Miyuki used Niflheim in the Nine Schools tournament. So at best Tatsuya evened the playing field.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ok ok Lets end this with me losing Erika is far below those two, hmmm yeah, heck she even the weakest among the female cast. happy?

Yeah, that doesn't work after you just posted a bunch of stuff on how she could beat them.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Just like you said Miyuki will kill for Tatsuya's sake but not killing Erika is for Tatsuya's sake.

The scenario was Erica as Tatsuyas enemy. Or opposition in some way that necessitated a direct confrontation. In which case Miyuki would kill her.

Do not make the mistake of assuming Tatsuya would put Erica above his own goals.

[CatRules]

Okay, pampz. I hope this will calm you down.


It's true that Erika can't compete with the super talented magicians like Miyuki and Lina(who they are? TMC descendant!!) but AT LEAST if Erika want to she WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED easily.......................




If she run away as fast as she can like fly noticing a swatter!!


Of cause! This isn't the end! She will return, flee and return again like a persistent pest!!

If she got her eyes on someone she will eventually got him(if she wasn't killed already). You can ask Miki about how annoying she could be when she pestering him to stop being gloomy.



wait! Why do I feel like I'm insulting my Goddess!??



p.s. add that she comes this far despite not being a TMC descendant like the two beauties, born super genius like her brother and Miki, or having master class teacher like Kazama but crawl to where she is right now by hard work and diligence. This is something you should be praising.

[pampz21]

Not argueing anymore.... im already exhausted of insulting Erika,Miyuki,and Tatsuya.

Just a reminder Erika's speed already defy common sense;its not at peak of human cognition shes already defying physics; think of it as a physical version of Tatsuya's regrowth.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by XFire

*cracks knuckles*



First, Parade projects to the information Dimension. That's why Tatsuya can't hit her with Decomposition. It has no effect on physical attacks.



You can't argue with any of it



Erica went out looking for a fight. She knew ahead of time that she would engaged against someone able to easily disable Leo. She had all the time she needed to prepare. The only weapon she didn't bring was her gravity guillotine sword (wtf is its name again? Orochi?) which isn't actually hers in the first place.



Wrong. WrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongWRONG.

Her casting speed is absurdly higher. It takes fractions of a second to cast a spell for her. Miyuki is slower and her speed (with a terrible CAD) is so fast Erica and the others just gape at her.

Erica launches a perfect surprise attack, and Lina doesn't notice until the swing is already in motion. She still casts a magic that dodges by three meters or more. She doesn't just outcast Erica's physical speed, she outcasts the damn sword swing.

And Eric. Hit. Second. On reflex as a retaliation to being knocked unconscious.



Exactly. This will always be true. It isn't a matter of preparedness.



Lina was paying attention to the other fight and only reacts to Ericas attacks. And still kicks her ass.



No, it means she attacks as though going for the kill. She says to do otherwise is to dishonor her sword or something.



Erica brought her own specialized CAD, made specifically for her. Like I said before, her only other weapons are the guillotine sword (which isn't hers) and the replica Tats made for her (which didn't exist). Both of which are slower than Linas attacks and wouldn't help against Miyuki.



Which are the spells she specializes in. Using other magic would only increase the already huge gap in speed.



Coctyus is instant. It's Miyukis BS magic and fires as soon as she wants. That means speed of thought. Same for Heavy Metal Burst, which is fast enough Tats can't cancel it.

You appear to be under the mistaken impression that Erica is FTL or something. She is capable of moving at peak human speed, which is nothing to a magician who can detect and stop objects going 300 km/h.



It's trump card, by the way. And Lina only uses that term to refer to Molecular Divider.

Regardless, Miyuki just knows what Tatsuya knows: Lina can fire remote control knives. She didn't see Lina scatter them. She felt the activation sequence and detected the objects coming towards her at multiple angles. And stopped them.



No. Lina was the only one who would have died. This is said in the text. She was losing the confrontation because of exhaustion and because Miyuki was better in that kind of fight. So she tried to dual cast, which would have gotten her killed.

Also, why would he dispel Muspelheim? That was Lina's magic. Dispersing that would just have gotten her killed quicker. And dispelling Niflheim would have killed Miyuki. He shot them both down to prevent the clash from going further. It was basically a Beam-o-war with area control spells, whichever gave in would disappear and the caster would be hit by the other spell.



Tatsuya shot through Parade with Mist Dispersion after training. And he countered it even earlier by blowing her up with a grenade.

Lina used the exact same move she was going to use on Miyuki after shrugging off the precast. In fact, she attacked while Miyuki was preparing the follow-up to that attack. She didn't plan on using Dancing Blade, with good reason. If she just fired it off, it would be a direct attack from the front. Which would end up exactly like her projectile buttons (lol).

Miyuki's only real advantage was Lina being tired, and the only effect this had was to make her want to end the fight quickly before it negatively affected her.

Lina knew about Miyuki's magic from sparring and research. She was there partly to investigate them, remember? And Miyuki used Niflheim in the Nine Schools tournament. So at best Tatsuya evened the playing field.



Yeah, that doesn't work after you just posted a bunch of stuff on how she could beat them.



The scenario was Erica as Tatsuyas enemy. Or opposition in some way that necessitated a direct confrontation. In which case Miyuki would kill her.

Do not make the mistake of assuming Tatsuya would put Erica above his own goals.

Wow you're going hard on this topic.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Not argueing anymore.... im already exhausted of insulting Erika,Miyuki,and Tatsuya.

Just a reminder Erika's speed already defy common sense.

^^ I don't recall this ever being mentioned in the novel. Ever. Where was it mentioned?

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by anonfr

Wow you're going hard on this topic.



^^ I don't recall this ever being mentioned in the novel. Ever. Where was it mentioned?

Erika automatically activated Personal Acceleration Magic.

Her body achieved a degree of motion that surpassed common sense

If Erika's speed normal speed is the peak of human body. Then Erika's self acceleration speed is like Ichigo's bankai

This is what i mean by you cant attack what you cant see

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by XFire

Her speed without magic is at peak human.

Her speed with magic is beyond common sense. As in what humans are supposed to be able to do.

Just a "reminder", the above is said maybe two-three lines before Lina knocks her out.

Alright, I'll take your word for it.

Pampz I'm sorry but you have serious Love Blinders for Erika. You love, you're not objective, I can't trust your opinion.

and Ichigo's bankai? really? It can't just mean she's really fast, she has to be "Teleport and leave a bunch of after images" fast?

[XFire]

Originally Posted by pampz21

If Erika's speed normal speed is the peak of human body. Then Erika's self acceleration speed is like Ichigo's bankai

This is what i mean by you cant attack what you cant see

Actually you can.

Miyuki's senses had felt Lina blazing in faster than the eye could see.

That's from the Lina fight. You know, the part where she uses the same tactics Erica does, but with greater speed and power.

Three guess as to what happens next.

Hint:

([Deceleration Zone])

[Chirst]

Saw a new pic
Credited by Mattdamon from jcafe24

Spoiler for pic:

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Chirst

Saw a new pic
Credited by Mattdamon from jcafe24

Tats could use that look to seduce Miyuki and most of the available girls in the Mahouka world....

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by pampz21

If Erika's speed normal speed is the peak of human body. Then Erika's self acceleration speed is like Ichigo's bankai

This is what i mean by you cant attack what you cant see

Again, you base this off nothing.

The fastest human speed achieved is less than 30 MPH, therefore, 30 MPH is "common sense"

F1 cars, which may be said to be too fast to see are at 185 MPH.

Just because Erika applies self-acceleration does not mean she is going 185.

All the book says is "faster than common sense." A human, going 60 MPH, would be faster than common sense, and yet still be VERY visible.


Just from a math perspective, when being tested on the same CAD, Erika takes about .1 seconds to cast a spell. For that same spell, Miyuki does it in .02 seconds. Even faster on a CAD Tatsuya maintains, because as the book puts it, her spell casting is actually TOO FAST for the CAD the school uses.

Before Erika's spell for....ANYTHING even finishes, Miyuki will have cast a spell, like deceleration zone, which does NOT require she SEE Erika, and Erika will be slowed down.

Erika's one chance for victory against either Miyuki or Lina is a successful surprise attack. Anything else, Miyuki and Lina's magic speeds are TOO fast.

Assume Erika already finished casting personal acceleration:
-At 60 MPH, she would have to be less than 9 feet away from Miyuki, when Miyuki STARTS casting to stop her.
-At 180 MPH, she would have to less than 27 feet away, when Miyuki STARTS casting.

If they start casting at the same time, Erika would have to be 4.5 feet away from Miyuki (because she's moving at human limits of 30 MPH).

Magic duels do NOT take place less than 5 feet apart.


Erika beat Morisaki for two reasons: Because it was close range, and because Morisaki wasted time doing a physical movement, drawing his CAD. If Morisaki used "Drawless" instead of "Quickdraw" Erika would not have been able to interrupt the spell.


Edit:
Regarding one thing I said earlier, I correct myself, it is possible Orochimaru is a specialized CAD with 8 spells. Early on in the books, the author says specialized CADs can store up to 9 sequences.

This is however, contradicted by how after that one statement, no one EVER stores more than one spell on a specialized CAD, and EVERYONE is absolutely shocked when they think 2 spells are on a specialized CAD (the CAD Tatsuya made for Shizuku at the 9SC)

Maybe the author changed his mind?

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by Chirst

Saw a new pic
Credited by Mattdamon from jcafe24

Well, it finally happened, I'm seeing Tatsuya and thinking of Hei.

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Tats could use that look to seduce Miyuki and most of the available girls in the Mahouka world....

Tatsuya only needs to exist in order to seduce Miyuki.

[Verisimilitude]

Originally Posted by Rasen

Edit:
Regarding one thing I said earlier, I correct myself, it is possible Orochimaru is a specialized CAD with 8 spells. Early on in the books, the author says specialized CADs can store up to 9 sequences.

This is however, contradicted by how after that one statement, no one EVER stores more than one spell on a specialized CAD, and EVERYONE is absolutely shocked when they think 2 spells are on a specialized CAD (the CAD Tatsuya made for Shizuku at the 9SC)

Maybe the author changed his mind?

I'm pretty sure the CAD Shizuku used in the 9SC was a general use CAD, just that it had auxillary sights, which wereup till then only found on specialised CADs.

[Rasen]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude

I'm pretty sure the CAD Shizuku used in the 9SC was a general use CAD, just that it had auxillary sights, which wereup till then only found on specialised CADs.

Not just that.

Remember when Mayumi was trying to figure out how the magic sequence worked, to do all that complicated stuff?

She was trying to figure out how to do it in a SINGLE magic sequence. If Specialized CADs can hold up to 9, there's absolutely no reason that Mayumi would have tried to do it in 1.

Or that Tatsuya would have used a generalized CAD instead of a Specialized one. (Especially since doing something beyond state-of-the-art makes him stand out even more, which is something he tries to avoid. Except when Miyuki tells him otherwise)

Another example is when Tatsuya changes the spell on his specialized CAD for the match against Ichijou. Cardinal George is completely surprised to see Vibration-type magic instead of Move-type magic, but again, if specialized CADs can hold 9 sequences, this shouldn't matter.


All I'm saying is this is a possible sign of the author changing his mind.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Rasen

Not just that.

Remember when Mayumi was trying to figure out how the magic sequence worked, to do all that complicated stuff?

She was trying to figure out how to do it in a SINGLE magic sequence. If Specialized CADs can hold up to 9, there's absolutely no reason that Mayumi would have tried to do it in 1.

Or that Tatsuya would have used a generalized CAD instead of a Specialized one. (Especially since doing something beyond state-of-the-art makes him stand out even more, which is something he tries to avoid. Except when Miyuki tells him otherwise)

Another example is when Tatsuya changes the spell on his specialized CAD for the match against Ichijou. Cardinal George is completely surprised to see Vibration-type magic instead of Move-type magic, but again, if specialized CADs can hold 9 sequences, this shouldn't matter.


All I'm saying is this is a possible sign of the author changing his mind.

Could you tell me where you saw the part about Specialized CADs having nine sequences at a time? I always thought they were limited to one.

[Rava]

Originally Posted by Rasen

Not just that.

Remember when Mayumi was trying to figure out how the magic sequence worked, to do all that complicated stuff?

She was trying to figure out how to do it in a SINGLE magic sequence. If Specialized CADs can hold up to 9, there's absolutely no reason that Mayumi would have tried to do it in 1.

Or that Tatsuya would have used a generalized CAD instead of a Specialized one. (Especially since doing something beyond state-of-the-art makes him stand out even more, which is something he tries to avoid. Except when Miyuki tells him otherwise)

Another example is when Tatsuya changes the spell on his specialized CAD for the match against Ichijou. Cardinal George is completely surprised to see Vibration-type magic instead of Move-type magic, but again, if specialized CADs can hold 9 sequences, this shouldn't matter.


All I'm saying is this is a possible sign of the author changing his mind.

It is 9 sequences of the same category (i.e. all Move-type spells, all Vibration/Oscillation spells, etc). Seeing multiple magics coming from one isn't a big deal, it's seeing multiple magic types coming from one. To quote:

Originally Posted by Volume 1, Chapter 3

The number of activation sequences that could be used with a Specialized CAD was limited. In contrast to the Generalized CAD which could store up to ninety-nine types of Activation Sequences without regard to the systems of magic, the Specialized CAD could only store nine types of Activation Sequences of a single system of magic. To remedy this disadvantage, CAD devices that could store alternate, exchangeable Activation Sequences were developed, but since Specialized CADs were originally intended for Magicians who are strong in specific Magic Sequences, the need for an increased arsenal of magic is not too high. More often than not, even when multiple storage were carried, most still relied on using one type of magic.

I'm pretty sure Shizuku's event had 2 magic types there.