'Pacific Rim' (2013) - Guillermo Del Toro's Mecha VS. Kaiju film.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

My brother (a few of his builder mates) and his GF that don't really go in for sci-fi stuff really enjoyed it. Which was a pleasant surprise.

[Dragonkid11]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

We Don't Need No Stinkin' Robots: How the Pentagon Could Destroy All Monsters

I lol'd

The writer immediately fails hard when he suggest to use Apache to attract the attention of a Kaiju.

When they said Kaiju disregards safety for human extinction,THEY REALLY MEANT IT.Kaiju don't care about Helicopter.

Sure,it will cut them up eventually,but that exactly what the Kaiju want.Toxic blood EVERYWHERE.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

We Don't Need No Stinkin' Robots: How the Pentagon Could Destroy All Monsters

It would have been nice for the movie to have demonstrated a bit more believable conventional military attacks on the Kaiju, but a more realistic set of attacks with heavy bombers wouldn't have changed the main issue involved with killing Kaiju. They're filled with toxic materials that will get splattered all over a city if you carelessly blow them apart with heavy strategic weapons (Tanks probably aren't worth it, due to the scale of Kaiju and how well armored they are).

Besides. They already tried the strategy outlined in the website in the prequel comic. Military forces trying to lure Kaiju out in the open so they could be attacked by heavy strategic ordinance without splattering a city. Problem is, Kaiju are purpose built bioweapons designed to ATTACK cities. They'll have some instinctive programming to attack threats, but it proved extremely difficult to lure them out of cities. Once you come to terms the physical impossibility of building Jaegers, they ARE actually a surprisingly reasonable counter to Kaiju on land. Since they can attack Kaiju with physical/energy based weapons that won't splatter kaiju blue everywhere, and physically block them from getting into cities.


Of course that doesn't quite make the movie entirely plausible. While obviously you can't use heavy bombardment/nuclear attack against Kaiju in cities...there really isn't any particular reason you couldn't hit them with nuclear torpedoes at sea, or to mine the rift portal with Hydrogen bomb naval mines.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Pretty much the only thing I agree with the article is how they portray the planes flying at low altitude and manuvering between the Kaiju's body.

That's just suicidal.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Pretty much the only thing I agree with the article is how they portray the planes flying at low altitude and manuvering between the Kaiju's body.

That's just suicidal.

yeah.

I honestly WOULD have liked to see a scene of say, a flight of B1B Lancers launching an all out attack against the Kaiju with their full load.


The Kaiju disappears under the massive array of exploding bunker busters and various other bombs. There's a moment of silence, before the Kaiju roars, and comes storming out of the smoke, covered in blood (as well as all the nearby buildings) with the bomber pilots crying out "It's still alive! Hit em again! Hit em again!" before the scene cuts to the Kaiju finally lying dead, in a pool of its own blood, seeping into the cities sewer system.


...then cut to a scene showing an infantry full of people suffering from Kaiju blue poisoning, to convey that the all out bombing attack REALLY didn't work.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Of course that doesn't quite make the movie entirely plausible. While obviously you can't use heavy bombardment/nuclear attack against Kaiju in cities...there really isn't any particular reason you couldn't hit them with nuclear torpedoes at sea, or to mine the rift portal with Hydrogen bomb naval mines.

I was wondering why this wasn't done immediately. It's not like the rift is in a hard to reach area (if you can walk two 100 meter tall machines right to the rift, then laying some mines should be easy enough. Even if the mines didn't kill the beats, it could have still weakened them.

That being said, if the humans had started with nukes, then it seems obvious that the aliens would have started earlier with Category 5 monsters (which can withstand full on nuclear strikes to the face...but not a sword). So, it turns out humanity was smarter to start with giant robots .

[Chaos2Frozen]

Monster Size Comparison... LOL, they even have the Stay-Puff Marshmallow man!

[kaizerknight01]

Zilla looks so puny compare to the Original

[Chaos2Frozen]

You kidding? I couldn't even find King Kong until I looked closer !

Who thought it was a good idea to have Godzilla vs King Kong ?!

[kaizerknight01]

well in terms of Monsters that godzilla fought if memory serve me correct i think Biolante final form if bigger than king gidora 's

[Kyero Fox]

Wonder how the Armored Core mechs would fair against the kaiju, White Glint could prob take one down thanks to its insane speed.

[MeisterBabylon]

I liked Biollante. Somehow, it was the cutest kaiju.

I'd stick Solo Wing Pixy in a F-22 TSF and have THAT tear the kaiju a new one.

[Chaos2Frozen]

My childhood experiences with Kaiju were more towards the Ultraman series, though not the Japanese ones unfortunately... Except maybe Tiga

My favorite was Ultraman: Towards the Future... I distinctively remember being freaked out by some of the monsters as a kid

[sa547]

Perhaps the odd reason as to why F22s futilely/suicidally chose to engage with just 20mm on the Kaijus and not heavier stuff like Exocets, Mavericks and Harpoons is (Roger outlined already as to why such ordnance can't be used on the baddies), it reminds me of the Spads trying to bring down King Kong right on top of the Empire State Building; this is to demonstrate the film's homage to old-school monster movies.

Frankly, this is more of an enthusiast movie targeted at specific audiences, rather than a flick made for everyone who are more interested in conventional comedies and 3D animation.

[MeisterBabylon]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

My childhood experiences with Kaiju were more towards the Ultraman series, though not the Japanese ones unfortunately... Except maybe Tiga

My favorite was Ultraman: Towards the Future... I distinctively remember being freaked out by some of the monsters as a kid

You're born too late to watch Friday night screenings of the entire Godzilla series every Friday night after the 10pm news for half a year, on Channel 8, 20 years ago.

In contrast, the only Ultraman I watched was one made in Australia. But hell, that was pretty much an English-speaking version of an anime without the over-acting.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

You're born too late to watch Friday night screenings of the entire Godzilla series every Friday night after the 10pm news for half a year, on Channel 8, 20 years ago.

In contrast, the only Ultraman I watched was one made in Australia. But hell, that was pretty much an English-speaking version of an anime without the over-acting.

Surprisingly no, I did watch at least two of those Godzilla movies- whichever one it was that had two monsters double teaming Godzilla I think... But man do those fights seem to last FOREVER, I was still young so by midnight I was out cold.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by kaizerknight01

Zilla looks so puny compare to the Original

That part actually isn't accurate. Zilla is listed as 90m, whereas the 1954 Godzilla is only 50.

Originally Posted by kaizerknight01

well in terms of Monsters that godzilla fought if memory serve me correct i think Biolante final form if bigger than king gidora 's

Not quite. KG is 150m (just short of 500ft!), Biollante's final form is 120.

Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

I liked Biollante. Somehow, it was the cutest kaiju.

I'd stick Solo Wing Pixy in a F-22 TSF and have THAT tear the kaiju a new one.

This was cute?

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Surprisingly no, I did watch at least two of those Godzilla movies- whichever one it was that had two monsters double teaming Godzilla I think... But man do those fights seem to last FOREVER, I was still young so by midnight I was out cold.

Hm, double deam. Gigan, perhaps? Megalon? Terror of Mechagodzilla? Godzilla against Mothra?

[ArchmageXin]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It would have been nice for the movie to have demonstrated a bit more believable conventional military attacks on the Kaiju, but a more realistic set of attacks with heavy bombers wouldn't have changed the main issue involved with killing Kaiju. They're filled with toxic materials that will get splattered all over a city if you carelessly blow them apart with heavy strategic weapons (Tanks probably aren't worth it, due to the scale of Kaiju and how well armored they are).

Besides. They already tried the strategy outlined in the website in the prequel comic. Military forces trying to lure Kaiju out in the open so they could be attacked by heavy strategic ordinance without splattering a city. Problem is, Kaiju are purpose built bioweapons designed to ATTACK cities. They'll have some instinctive programming to attack threats, but it proved extremely difficult to lure them out of cities. Once you come to terms the physical impossibility of building Jaegers, they ARE actually a surprisingly reasonable counter to Kaiju on land. Since they can attack Kaiju with physical/energy based weapons that won't splatter kaiju blue everywhere, and physically block them from getting into cities.


Of course that doesn't quite make the movie entirely plausible. While obviously you can't use heavy bombardment/nuclear attack against Kaiju in cities...there really isn't any particular reason you couldn't hit them with nuclear torpedoes at sea, or to mine the rift portal with Hydrogen bomb naval mines.

So dunking a dead body into Hong Kong bay would be any better? =/ That would make the Exxon Verde look like a piss in the pound.

Anyone remember the two Aussie guys poke the Kaji with a flare gun? Maybe the U.S Navy can go old school and "HOLD FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITE IN THEIR EYES!"

[Hemisphere]

Had an amusing thought.

Kaiju are the offense. Jaegers are the defense. The various coastal cities are the goal/s. Kaiju Blue is the pigskin.

I can't stop laughing. Quick WB, market it with football in mind!

[kaizerknight01]

Actually I am very thankful this movie was even made , given it has it flaws, but the way the action scene handled the Mecha VS Kaiju was great hat off to you Del toro

btw