Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[GenesiD]

Do we have any information as to how much is going to be covered in the anime?

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

......Ugh, I don't even know where to start with you.

That was such a subjective and biased filled argument that I'm not even sure my counter-points will get through to you.

Also, what the hell does the "chew...... chew....... chew........ " mean?

"chew...... chew....... chew........ " mean

They can easily kill their enemies like chewing gum.

Yyeah chew chew finish.

Originally Posted by kidswable

can tatsuya survive if he was sniped in the head where the "brain" is?
while he is powerfull, he is still not a god or immortal like you thought(because you seems rate tatsuya too high)

katsuto aka the heir of juumonji family can't be taken lightly. while they're not as strong as saegusa or yotsuba, they still followed them in the 3rd place.
in this fact, there's no way that they only rely on phalanx.

ps. in the 10 master clan only 1 family that i know only rely in one abilities that is Itsuwa, relying in Deep Abyss

Brain is not important.

The Most important part is MIND.

And mind is separate from brain. He can regenerate as long as his mind is ok.






They rely on their specialities magic.

Juumonji is special because Phalanx. They keep the formula for themselves.

The one that has no specialities magic is saegusa the ALL ROUNDER.

Originally Posted by nosaer

Also Tatsuya vs Katsuto might be more interesting than you guys think. you should probably re read the 9 schools arc if you think Tats would easily win this fight.

You don't understand how GODLIKE is Tatsuya's magic.

Infinite stamina because he also has Regrowth.
He can Regen stamina, etc

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by hakazee

"chew...... chew....... chew........ " mean

They can easily kill their enemies like chewing gum.

Yyeah chew chew finish.






Brain is not important.

The Most important part is MIND.

And mind is separate from brain. He can regenerate as long as his mind is ok.






They rely on their specialities magic.

Juumonji is special because Phalanx. They keep the formula for themselves.

The one that has no specialities magic is saegusa the ALL ROUNDER.






You don't understand how GODLIKE is Tatsuya's magic.

Infinite stamina because he also has Regrowth.
He can Regen stamina, etc

I.... I can't even... wha... what?

Not only are you further proving my point of Miyuki Syndrome, but you DEFINITELY need to start rereading... preferably from Volume 4 and onwards.



and a Biology class maybe.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

I.... I can't even... wha... what?

Not only are you further proving my point of Miyuki Syndrome, but you DEFINITELY need to start rereading... preferably from Volume 4 and onwards.



and a Biology class maybe.

Oh come on...

Please tell me where I'm wrong, Rereading is wasting time for me.


You want to argue about Brain part ?

Then you're the one that should re-read Visitor arc.

Mind is separate from Brain and the most important part to cast magic is MIND.



Ah, also there is no need to argue how to destroy his brain.
That's simply IMPOSSIBLE.

He has Elemental Sight. He can see everything.
There is possibilities he can see FUTURE too.

[Ultragunner]

though the wording is kinda off, I'm in agreement with hakazee. Remember the "vampires" are Pushion Info Body? Miyuki's Cycotus worked and utterly destroyed them while it is categorized as one of the Mental Interference Magic.

Thus, it is arguable that the human mind is also a form of Pushion Info body, the body is what keeps it alive and function.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by GenesiD

Do we have any information as to how much is going to be covered in the anime?

April 4 is the premier of the anime......Most likely Yokohama if Madhouse wants to play it safe.......If they want to kill Mahouka as an anime, then they would push it until the visitor arc...It is impossible to cover 11 volumes with just 24-26 episodes

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Oh come on...

Please tell me where I'm wrong, Rereading is wasting time for me.


You want to argue about Brain part ?

Then you're the one that should re-read Visitor arc.

Mind is separate from Brain and the most important part to cast magic is MIND.



Ah, also there is no need to argue how to destroy his brain.
That's simply IMPOSSIBLE.

He has Elemental Sight. He can see everything.
There is possibilities he can see FUTURE too.

I'll tell you what, since it is pretty late where I am, I will kindly offer up my counter-points tomorrow.

[fujin of shadows]

by the way, the author said that Mahouka has 22 arcs...As of now....

There has been seven arcs...

Enrollment arc

Nine school arc

Summer holiday arc

Yokohama Arc

Reminisce Arc

Visitor Arc

Double Seven Arc

That's seven down, 15 arcs to go

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

though the wording is kinda off, I'm in agreement with hakazee. Remember the "vampires" are Pushion Info Body? Miyuki's Cycotus worked and utterly destroyed them while it is categorized as one of the Mental Interference Magic.

Thus, it is arguable that the human mind is also a form of Pushion Info body, the body is what keeps it alive and function.

that's it.

Vampire is the key to Mind, that's what Maya said.

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

I'll tell you what, since it is pretty late where I am, I will kindly offer up my counter-points tomorrow.

i will wait

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

by the way, the author said that Mahouka has 22 arcs...As of now....

There has been seven arcs...

Enrollment arc

Nine school arc

Summer holiday arc

Yokohama Arc

Reminisce Arc

Visitor Arc

Double Seven Arc

That's seven down, 15 arcs to go

where you read that ?

22 arc ?


baka tsuki page said



" The web novel consisted of only 6 web chapters written covering the First Year arc, and the author has already planned for a total of 15 web chapters to cover the entire three years of Magic High School. As of August 2011, web chapter 1 has been been compiled into volumes 1 and 2, and as of December 2011, web chapter 2 has been compiled into volumes 3 and 4. The author expects the series to be compiled into a total of 20 to 25 volumes (ie. if Dengeki allows him to finish the series) [SOURCE: Author's tweet on 6-Nov-2011, #dengeki_mahouka] "




so, the author change his plans huh ?

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

At first I wasn't sure what people meant when they said fans would blindly worship Tatsuya, but now I'm starting to see it. I like to call it the Miyuki Syndrome

Listen buddy, I freaking love Tatsuya as much as any other fan. I think he is monstrously powerful too, however I will not blindly say he could just beat anyone at a glance.

Now the reason I bring up Juumonji as an opponent is because Tatsuya makes some pretty interesting observations about him during the Nine School competition, even to the point of being quite wary. If I had to choose, I give my vote (hesitantly) towards Tatsuya. Though it would not be an easy win.

I am with you here. Tatsuya is my favorite character and he is impressive but he is not invincible. You can say he is OP but from a normal POV in their world, you can be considered OP just by being a member of the 10 MC, they are naturally gifted at regular magic and have their strength and weaknesses excepted the Saegusa who are good at everything. The difference was made clear during the 9SC, Mayumi trashed her opponents, Miyuki trashed her opponents, Masaki trashed his opponents, Katsuto trashed his opponents. Honoka and Shizuku can do their best but they will never be able to top Miyuki, it’s only when Lina appeared that she got a worthy rival and she is able to do that because she has Kudou blood. Mari and Naotsugu can compete but they are geniuses in their own fields, not at regular magic.
Tatsuya is OP in his own way, his fighting style is irregular, he fights with superpowers and counter magic. If his true identity was known and the Yotsubas weren’t’ so crazy, Tatsuya would never be underestimated and fight with the likes of Hanzo. They gave him C-rank regular magic and flash cast but I don’t remember Tatsuya using regular magic in a fight except against Tomitsuka, it’s almost useless.

Now about Katsuto, he didn’t fight a lot but Tatsuya aside, he is easily the strongest student at 1st High for me.

Spoiler for Wall fo text from Vol 04 and 07:

Maybe it was just karma.
Everything Masaki did to Eighth High in the Newcomers Division
was returned with interest.
The setting for this match was the "Valley".
From the get go, anything that utilized the terrain, such as flying
icicles, falling rocks, or even boiling spray, was sent hurtling towards
Katsuto in an endless stream.
However, Katsuto's barrier reflected all the attacks.
Every motion vector was reversed.
Electromagnetic waves (including light) were refracted.
Molecular oscillation was adjusted back to a stable value.
Psion intrusion was denied.
All attacks were obstructed by the multi-layered defensive barrier.
Nothing could stop Katsuto's advance.
Multi-layer Move-Type Defensive Magic "Phalanx".
This magic, while putting the real value of the Magicians from the
Juumonji Family on full display, was not simply a sustained magic
barrier, but a multi-layered barrier that continuously refreshed itself.
This was just like a dense formation of heavy infantry that marched as
one to increase the group's defensive power and then translate that
power into offense.
Once the foremost rank of soldiers fell, the next rank would
immediately fill in and maintain the defense. This magic inherited the
name from that ancient formation and displayed defensive prowess
and suffocating pressure worthy of its lofty name.
Katsuto was situated in a narrow arena as he steadily advanced step by
step towards the enemy's position.
The players from Third High couldn't ignore or avoid him.
If they let up on the attack, surely they would be instantly engulfed by
a decisive attack......
Each step increased the pressure a little more, forcing them to cling
onto that belief and urged them to press the assault.
Though they were unable to penetrate that wall, they should still have
exhausted the defender somewhat. Yet compared to the three panting
players from Third High, there was nary a sign of fatigue on Katsuto's
part.
When there were only a paltry 10 meters or so between the two sides,
Katsuto finally came to a stop.
He stopped his slow, plodding advance,
And bunched all his energy together to kick off the floor.
A boulder-like body flew through the air while parallel to the ground.
He cast Speed・Move Magic on himself, then adopted a shoulder tackle
position as he crashed into the enemy players. His impermeable
barrier remained active the entire time.
One of the players from Third High was sent flying by the sudden
impact against this indomitable barrier.
Katsuto's gigantic frame didn't stop for even a second before changing
course for the next enemy.
Before this insurmountable barrier and the overwhelming interference
strength attached to it, magical defenses and momentum shifting
became meaningless.
The players from Third High were helplessly smashed aside as the
Monolith Code finals drew to a close.
This complete victory served to crown First High's overall victory
with a fresh crown of laurels.
Seeing Katsuto raise his hands in response to the applause, Tatsuya
and his friends also applauded, but were all unable to speak.
Dominant was no longer sufficient to describe what just happened.
Besides terrifying and tremendous, no other words would suffice.
The tactic itself was simple.
Simple enough to describe this as a trial by brute force.
Yet that magic — was not "simply" brute force.
He continuously cycled between the Four Great Systems and Eight
Major Types at irregular intervals while creating new barriers — an
awe-inspiring "difficult" brute force.
"Amazing...... So that's the Juumonji Family's 'Phalanx', eh......"
Besides ordinary expressions, even Miyuki had nothing left to say.
This showed that she was shocked by what just happened.
He could understand that sentiment.
But disagreed with her words.
"No...... I doubt that's the original 'Phalanx'."
Multi-layered Defensive Magic "Phalanx" was practically another
name for the Juumonji Family.
However, most people never got a chance to catch a glimpse of this
magic.
That's because, in general, there was no need to create a barrier that
defended against all major systems and types of magic.
Under the condition that multiple Magicians were attacking the same
target, more attacks would lead to an increase in the variability in the
types of attack magic and increase the risk for magic interference. All
of this was well known.
It wasn't that Tatsuya had beheld this magic before.
In the earlier match, the multi-layered barrier that Katsuto cast did
include magic from all systems and types of magic.
That truly was "Phalanx".
Still, Tatsuya wasn't able to accept this conjecture so easily.
"That final attack...... It's hard to imagine that was the original purpose
of the 'Phalanx'."
Rather than calling this a leap of logic, this was closer to his intuition.
Even if he believed that the real Phalanx was reserved for something
far more terrifying.
"If Onii-sama says so, then that must be how it is. In that case......
Juumonji-senpai certainly has an intimidating power."
Tatsuya agreed.
While he was clapping in appreciation, Tatsuya suddenly felt Katsuto's
eyes sweep over him.

Just as he arrived Katsuto was subjected to a warm welcome from the
guided missiles.
Katsuto's response was almost pure reflex.
He instantaneously erected several physical barriers that were
impermeable to air particles and could handle temperatures exceeding
20000 degrees.
The shock waves from the missiles that mysteriously detonated in mid
air didn't even scratch the outer walls covered by Katsuto's barrier.

Katsuto raised his arm and swung it forward.
Although the swing was not made with great force,
But at the same time as the swing, one of the enemy's bipedal tanks
collapsed.
The implication of this action was blatantly clear in everyone's eyes.
The same thing happened once more.
The mechanized weaponry with magically fortified defenses were
being destroyed like toys.
A thunderous roar sounded all around him.
That was the triumphant shout of the volunteers who were previously
in an inferior position.
Katsuto hid the feelings of shame deep in the pits of his heart.
He was not childish enough to believe in absolute justice.
Nor did he only seek personal advancement like an adult.
But he was very clear on the role that fell to him.
The enemy didn't take very long to recover their wits.
They were not very clear on exactly what Katsuto did.
Still, even the dullest of their men knew that Katsuto was the one who
launched the magical attacks.
The bipedal tanks leveled their weapons at Katsuto with the churning
of treads. Not one, but three tanks attacked as one unit. Apparently, the
enemy was nothing more than inept soldiers who could only rely on
their equipment.
However, the result was that none of the three bipedal tanks could
advance a single a meter, nor could they fire a single bullet.
The only thing Katsuto did was to simply reach out with his right
palm.
That alone was enough to render the bipedal tanks into scrap.
Multi-Layer Barrier Magic "Phalanx".
This magic was not only used to block the enemy's attack.
Its true value lay in its ability to annihilate the enemy and it existed for
this purpose.
The magic behind Phalanx lay in constructing multiple barriers, so
even if the initial barrier faltered, the one behind would simply replace
it, to be continued ad infinitum.
The barriers were in constant motion within set boundaries.
The barrier was not set in front of oneself, but rather dozens of
barriers were sent crashing at high speeds into the enemy.
This was the true usage of Phalanx on the offensive. The offensive
barrier that possessed the sole function of being impermeable to all
attacks could even be spread out within another person's magic. The
magic barrier that set matter as its target possessed an interference
strength that simply disallowed any other magic to exist.
Although there were disadvantages in that the firing range was limited
and it could only be used against existing phenomena, this magic that
combined attacking the enemy, anti-object, and anti-magic properties
had powerful applications at short distances in group combat.
Defensively, there were multiple barriers being erected
simultaneously.
Offensively, multiple barriers with a single characteristic could be
fired successively.
As befitting the name "Phalanx", this was a magic that combined
offense and defense together.
Fire and thunder came crashing down on Katsuto.
Ancient Magic attacks that had to go through various procedures and
could not affect the Eidos without physical phenomena changes were
the easiest opponents for Katsuto.
In the air, he erected heat resistant and lightning resistant barriers to
protect himself and the volunteers surrounding him.
Along with the escorting soldiers at the front, he sent the enemy
Magicians flying.
The appearance of a single person completely turned the battle around.

Katsuto’s Phalanx is terribly strong, he can create barriers resisting to fire and lightning and we haven’t seen everything he can do. He is proficient at speed magic meaning he is extremely fast.His barriers can spread on his opponents endlessly without wasting psions, this is just ridiculous .

Originally Posted by pampz21

I find it weird that High power riffles doesnt work on phalanx but lasers or probably sword attack can defeat it.

Phalanx can only be defeated by overpowering it with speed and power.#!

I guess phalanx hasnt meet his maker yet#!

I see what you did here . I don't think regular lasers can bypass it though, only Maya's Meteor Stream but yeah if someone is able to use counter magic on a weapon and hits faster than his barriers can be recreated it's possible to hit him.

In a fight between Tatsuya and Katsuto, I would say Tatsuya would win but I can't say how exactly.

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

by the way, the author said that Mahouka has 22 arcs...As of now....

There has been seven arcs...

Enrollment arc

Nine school arc

Summer holiday arc

Yokohama Arc

Reminisce Arc

Visitor Arc

Double Seven Arc

That's seven down, 15 arcs to go

Wait, he's going to go for one arc per volume now? Is this true? Where'd you get this info?

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

Wait, he's going to go for one arc per volume now? Is this true? Where'd you get this info?

I read it somewhere in this forum

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

I see what you did here . I don't think regular lasers can bypass it though, only Maya's Meteor Stream but yeah if someone is able to use counter magic on a weapon and hits faster than his barriers can be recreated it's possible to hit him.

In a fight between Tatsuya and Katsuto, I would say Tatsuya would win but I can't say how exactly.

I can see Nao able to rip apart phalanx with his Phantom blade and Personal Acceleration magic(that even Tatsuya if not focusing will loose sight of him);
Well this is the weirdest part, If Chiba sword technique so OP that both Police and Military practice it; why isnt it part of TMC, Iknow TMC has Ichijou's Rapture, Seagusa's Dry Meteor, Shippou's Million Edge, Yotsuba's Mental Interface Magic and Lots more. If I can see it boast only magic Damage rather than magic application; maybe the requirement for to join TMC is OH-KO type of magic??

BTW How do you think one can overpower Rupture if its instant?
I doubt Anyone has a more powerful wide magic interferace than him; I guess Mental interface is the most plausable defence for it.(I think it works like It wouldnt happen if I dont believe it...Like Battler's Anti-Magic/Logical Brain from Umineko)

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by pampz21

I can see Nao able to rip apart phalanx with his Phantom blade and Personal Acceleration magic(that even Tatsuya if not focusing will loose sight of him);
Well this is the weirdest part, If Chiba sword technique so OP that both Police and Military practice it; why isnt it part of TMC, Iknow TMC has Ichijou's Rapture, Seagusa's Dry Meteor, Shippou's Million Edge, Yotsuba's Mental Interface Magic and Lots more. If I can see it boast only magic Damage rather than magic application; maybe the requirement for to join TMC is OH-KO type of magic??

BTW How do you think one can overpower Rupture if its instant?
I doubt Anyone has a more powerful wide magic interferace than him; I guess Mental interface is the most plausable defence for it.(I think it works like It wouldnt happen if I dont believe it...Like Battler's Anti-Magic/Logical Brain from Umineko)

Rupture is useless against substance without liquid..

The Ichijou has rupture...Shippou has Million edge, the Juumonji has their Phalanx..

The Saegusa and Yotsuba does not have a signature magic, that is why they are omnipotent....

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by pampz21

BTW How do you think one can overpower Rupture if its instant?
I doubt Anyone has a more powerful wide magic interferace than him; I guess Mental interface is the most plausable defence for it.(I think it works like It wouldnt happen if I dont believe it...Like Battler's Anti-Magic/Logical Brain from Umineko)

Phalanx blocks psion intrusions.
If you want to cast magic to his body, he need to destroy Phalanx first.

As long as Phalanx is activated, Ichijou has no chance to win.

Tomitsuka's GD armor also can block rupture if Ichijou try to cast Rupture on Tomitsuka's body / blood.
But maybe Ichijou can use other method in using Rupture to defeat tomitsuka.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Phalanx blocks psion intrusions.
If you want to cast magic to his bodyn destroy Phalanx first.

As long as Phalanx is activated, Ichijou has no chance to win.

Phalanx is considered as the strongest and pinnacle of defensive magic. Breaking it won't be easy, even if its Tatsuya

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Phalanx is considered as the strongest and pinnacle of defensive magic. Breaking it won't be easy, even if its Tatsuya

Easy for him.
Just shot Gram Dispersion to cancel / break his magic.

And in a glance, Katsuto turn to dust.

[kidswable]

Originally Posted by pampz21

I can see Nao able to rip apart phalanx with his Phantom blade and Personal Acceleration magic(that even Tatsuya if not focusing will loose sight of him);
Well this is the weirdest part, If Chiba sword technique so OP that both Police and Military practice it; why isnt it part of TMC, Iknow TMC has Ichijou's Rapture, Seagusa's Dry Meteor, Shippou's Million Edge, Yotsuba's Mental Interface Magic and Lots more. If I can see it boast only magic Damage rather than magic application; maybe the requirement for to join TMC is OH-KO type of magic??

BTW How do you think one can overpower Rupture if its instant?
I doubt Anyone has a more powerful wide magic interferace than him; I guess Mental interface is the most plausable defence for it.(I think it works like It wouldnt happen if I dont believe it...Like Battler's Anti-Magic/Logical Brain from Umineko)

well, I still dont know which one is stronger, naotsugu or toshikazu?
well, just make the heir of chiba is erika, so she could defeat all other master clan.

about the requirement of 10MC I think it was more like a vote in 10MC meeting or conference. where every clan could impress or give pressure to other clan with their power or influence.

in regard of rupture, I think the danger from rupture lay in the application. the rupture target is water so it will be deadly everywhere he cast it, be it a human or a machine or a land. but the land part will not work in case of fight in dessert.

I think the counter could be anything as long as it disturb his casting <- give Miyuki's Smile here

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Rupture is useless against substance without liquid..

The Ichijou has rupture...Shippou has Million edge, the Juumonji has their Phalanx..

The Saegusa and Yotsuba does not have a signature magic, that is why they are omnipotent....

can't they just send someone as representation and just battle it out

@hakazee: can't tatsuya spamming his triple decomosition spell?

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by kidswable

@hakazee: can't tatsuya spamming his triple decomosition spell?

Don't know how fast is Phalanx layers refresh.
How many layers ?

If I'm not mistaken Katsuto can create dozen layers of Phalanx.

But the question, if Phalanx only has single sequence then Tatsuya shot Gram Dispersion to destroy that single magic sequence.

Done...


So, forget about Mist Dispersal X Phalanx.
There is no answer for that.


Gram Dispersion X Phalanx is better.

[fujin of shadows]

Found this in the through browsing the web, for pampz



Well, I am a Miyuki fan