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brocko · 2009-11-25, 08:58

If there was anything that i ever learnt from my brother and his mates about playing limited it was to value the bombs first, then removal and then creatures

40 cards decks and being able to have more than 4 copies of a card (if you can manage it that is lol =P) sometimes makes limited really enjoyable to play imo.

RWBladewing · 2009-12-07, 22:06

Has anyone else done any Zendikar drafting at all? It's kind of amusing how ridiculous the format is. I am playing one online now and I took Surrakar Marauder first pick over Terra Stomper and I don't regret it at all. Aggressive cards are so amazing and green is absolutely terrible overall. And if that thing can't convince me to play green I don't think anything can. In fact I actually beat the guy who took him in the first round. He never had a chance to draw him because his other green cards didn't do anything.

Edit: Yeah, I won the whole thing. Red/Black aggro is some good.

Gin · 2009-12-08, 15:22

I played Mtg from 3rd grade through Sophomore year in High school. I went to a draft in my senior year with a friend, because he needed a ride, and was pretty disappointed by the content. The first round of the draft I got a lot of laughs when I said, "There are Planeswalkers now?"

RWBladewing · 2009-12-08, 16:28

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Originally Posted by Gin

I played Mtg from 3rd grade through Sophomore year in High school. I went to a draft in my senior year with a friend, because he needed a ride, and was pretty disappointed by the content. The first round of the draft I got a lot of laughs when I said, "There are Planeswalkers now?"

That actually happened to some guy playing in one of the final rounds of a nationals tournament.

Had to call a judge because he had no idea what the weird card his opponent just played actually was. Most people thought he was joking at first until they remembered he'd been gone from the game for a few years.

Xion Valkyrie · 2009-12-08, 17:13

Costs so much >.<

Haven't played in a long time though. I do have a few legacy decks that I occasionally update though.

Gin · 2009-12-08, 17:31

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Originally Posted by RWBladewing

That actually happened to some guy playing in one of the final rounds of a nationals tournament.

Had to call a judge because he had no idea what the weird card his opponent just played actually was. Most people thought he was joking at first until they remembered he'd been gone from the game for a few years.

Yeah, I just saw the little info card that Wizard put into the booster pack, and I later realized that I had actually drafted a Planeswalker myself

RWBladewing · 2010-03-24, 15:54

I figured I'd bump this because of the ridiculous card that was spoiled yesterday. I'm sure everyone who'd be interested has already seen it but meh.

Spoiler for card:

I'm really looking forward to this set, both to see if this card is actually castable and because of the awesome flavor and artwork. Probably my most anticipated ever.

problemedchild · 2010-03-24, 17:49

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Originally Posted by RWBladewing

I figured I'd bump this because of the ridiculous card that was spoiled yesterday. I'm sure everyone who'd be interested has already seen it but meh.

Spoiler for card:

I'm really looking forward to this set, both to see if this card is actually castable and because of the awesome flavor and artwork. Probably my most anticipated ever.

This is really usable in the T2 right now? Feels a tad too slow, although the set isn't completely spoiled yet...

Xion Valkyrie · 2010-03-24, 21:54

Seems like it'll be a win card in older formats though. Annihilator 6 is basically destroy 6 permanents right?

problemedchild · 2010-03-24, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Seems like it'll be a win card in older formats though. Annihilator 6 is basically destroy 6 permanents right?

The defending player sacrifices 6 permanents. Ya, it's brutal if you can get it in play and have it lose summoning sickness. Just remember that it's a colorless creature, but not an artifact. So you can't Tinker it out, but they'll be millions of other ways to bypass his casting cost.

RWBladewing · 2010-03-25, 06:43

Most of the set is still unknown but I doubt this will see serious constructed play in T2. They are really pushing the huge creature theme (there's an 8/8 annihilator 2 at common) but it seems like their method of choice, 0/1s that you can sacrifice for a mana, is too easy to disrupt. It also seems pretty bad when there's a couple of popular and extremely fast decks in the environment that can kill by turn 4. Then again Emrakul's little buddy Kozilek (he's "only" a 12/12) is pre-ordering for $30 so it's either a case of extreme overhype or maybe they know something I don't.

I could possibly see this being played in Hypergenesis decks in Extended though. He still takes as many turns to kill the opponent as Progenitus does but has the added bonus of also very likely killing everything the opponent managed to dump into play. I've heard of someone out-racing Progenitus but I doubt that's possible with this.

problemedchild · 2010-03-25, 06:48

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Originally Posted by RWBladewing

Most of the set is still unknown but I doubt this will see serious constructed play in T2. They are really pushing the huge creature theme (there's an 8/8 annihilator 2 at common) but it seems like their method of choice, 0/1s that you can sacrifice for a mana, is too easy to disrupt. It also seems pretty bad when there's a couple of popular and extremely fast decks in the environment that can kill by turn 4. Then again Emrakul's little buddy Kozilek (he's "only" a 12/12) is pre-ordering for $30 so it's either a case of extreme overhype or maybe they know something I don't.

I could possibly see this being played in Hypergenesis decks in Extended though. He still takes as many turns to kill the opponent as Progenitus does but has the added bonus of also very likely killing everything the opponent managed to dump into play. I've heard of someone out-racing Progenitus but I doubt that's possible with this.

I honestly not sure how to feel about some of the new mechanics they've added recently. Traps..... now there's leveling system as well. The blue leveling mythic seems pretty good, but both of these concepts feel...... weird in MTG.

RWBladewing · 2010-03-25, 08:28

Traps never really made any impact outside of Limited, except for Ravenous Trap which ironically is useless in Limited, heh. I enjoy the mechanic in Limited games though, gives you another factor to consider and play around, even though a lot of the time they are just played normally instead of for the trap cost. I still think Mindbreak Trap is really underrated though. It's pretty slow normally but with Cascade being so prevalent I still think it has potential.

I'm also really liking Level Up from what I've seen so far. I had been trying to come up with a similar mechanic for a set I was making but couldn't figure out how to word it or make it work, and then they went and did it perfectly. The blue guy is going to be ridiculous for people who play multiplayer.

I have to say though, I would never have expected "defending player sacrifices x permanents" to become a keyword ability. I really hope they don't put that on anything cheap. The common with Annihilator 2 costs 8 so I could see them possibly printing an Annihilator 1 at 6. If they do that I think that will see play.

Mentar · 2010-03-25, 08:47

Guys, you can't be serious. 15 mana!! Also, it can't be reanimated from the graveyard, since it will never go there in the first place.

So, the only realistic way for this ever seeing play: Urzatron/Mana Flare type decks or "Put into play" effects. Are there any worthy ones around?

RWBladewing · 2010-03-25, 09:17

Hypergenesis + Demonic Dread = free 15 mana guy on turn 3. It's only a matter of whether people would rather play him or Progenitus.

Also, he does go to the graveyard. The ability says "When Emrakul is put into a graveyard", as opposed to something like Darksteel Colossus which says "If Darksteel Colossus would be put into a graveyard". Subtle but there is a huge difference. Thus he can be reanimated by an instant like Makeshift Mannequin while the graveyard ability trigger is on the stack.

DragoonKain3 · 2010-03-25, 11:43

Damn, now I feel so stupid in giving my set of Sneak Attack/Goryo's Vengeance to my friend as a present (no wonder he was so insistent on getting them!). Emrakul is better than Serra Avatar for sneaking purposes, as it serves as disruption even if you don't outright kill them, and it can't be reasonably chumped.

Yeah, Sneak decks aren't viable in older formats, but man, its still fun. XD

Xion Valkyrie · 2010-03-25, 15:44

Traps are great if only for the Yu-Gi-Oh cheese factor. I lay down my trap card and end my turn! You've activated my trap card! HO HO HO.

**Klashikari** · 2010-03-25, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Traps are great if only for the Yu-Gi-Oh cheese factor. I lay down my trap card and end my turn! You've activated my trap card! HO HO HO.

... I wish the anime cliche wouldn't hit that bad the actual TCG, but it seems it is still the case...

Just for your instance: traps in YGO TCG are basically sort of the same as MTG Instants, aside of the set portion.

Kafriel · 2010-03-25, 23:54

^There's the huge difference in casting speed, dunno of any instants that can't be countered yet (then again I'm very behind in magic). Anyway, about the "new" mana overload hype, it should be relatively easy to play creatures of all costs using an elf deck (especially if you got timberwood elves + something to draw more cards, so green-blue would be fitting.
I'm not particularly fond of these boss-like monsters, it switches the focus of players from battles of attrition to stopping the countdown, kills the original spirit of the game, and makes it a lot simpler as well: stacking your cards for a big bad summon is nowhere near as hard as deciding which weakling to kill, where to cast your buffs, etc.

problemedchild · 2010-03-26, 01:56

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Originally Posted by Kafriel

^There's the huge difference in casting speed, dunno of any instants that can't be countered yet (then again I'm very behind in magic). Anyway, about the "new" mana overload hype, it should be relatively easy to play creatures of all costs using an elf deck (especially if you got timberwood elves + something to draw more cards, so green-blue would be fitting.
I'm not particularly fond of these boss-like monsters, it switches the focus of players from battles of attrition to stopping the countdown, kills the original spirit of the game, and makes it a lot simpler as well: stacking your cards for a big bad summon is nowhere near as hard as deciding which weakling to kill, where to cast your buffs, etc.

Well, there's the Split Second mechanic, although that doesn't bypass the stack. So I guess you're right.

2009-11-25, 08:58	Link #81
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2009-12-07, 22:06	Link #82
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	Has anyone else done any Zendikar drafting at all? It's kind of amusing how ridiculous the format is. I am playing one online now and I took Surrakar Marauder first pick over Terra Stomper and I don't regret it at all. Aggressive cards are so amazing and green is absolutely terrible overall. And if that thing can't convince me to play green I don't think anything can. In fact I actually beat the guy who took him in the first round. He never had a chance to draw him because his other green cards didn't do anything. Edit: Yeah, I won the whole thing. Red/Black aggro is some good. Last edited by RWBladewing; 2009-12-07 at 23:07.

2009-12-08, 15:22	Link #83
Gin Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In your mom's pants	I played Mtg from 3rd grade through Sophomore year in High school. I went to a draft in my senior year with a friend, because he needed a ride, and was pretty disappointed by the content. The first round of the draft I got a lot of laughs when I said, "There are Planeswalkers now?" __________________

2010-03-25, 11:43	Link #96
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Damn, now I feel so stupid in giving my set of Sneak Attack/Goryo's Vengeance to my friend as a present (no wonder he was so insistent on getting them!). Emrakul is better than Serra Avatar for sneaking purposes, as it serves as disruption even if you don't outright kill them, and it can't be reasonably chumped. Yeah, Sneak decks aren't viable in older formats, but man, its still fun. XD __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2009-12-08, 17:13	Link #85
Xion Valkyrie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Costs so much >.< Haven't played in a long time though. I do have a few legacy decks that I occasionally update though.

2010-03-24, 15:54	Link #87
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	I figured I'd bump this because of the ridiculous card that was spoiled yesterday. I'm sure everyone who'd be interested has already seen it but meh. Spoiler for card: I'm really looking forward to this set, both to see if this card is actually castable and because of the awesome flavor and artwork. Probably my most anticipated ever.

2010-03-24, 21:54	Link #89
Xion Valkyrie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Seems like it'll be a win card in older formats though. Annihilator 6 is basically destroy 6 permanents right?

2010-03-25, 06:43	Link #91
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	Most of the set is still unknown but I doubt this will see serious constructed play in T2. They are really pushing the huge creature theme (there's an 8/8 annihilator 2 at common) but it seems like their method of choice, 0/1s that you can sacrifice for a mana, is too easy to disrupt. It also seems pretty bad when there's a couple of popular and extremely fast decks in the environment that can kill by turn 4. Then again Emrakul's little buddy Kozilek (he's "only" a 12/12) is pre-ordering for $30 so it's either a case of extreme overhype or maybe they know something I don't. I could possibly see this being played in Hypergenesis decks in Extended though. He still takes as many turns to kill the opponent as Progenitus does but has the added bonus of also very likely killing everything the opponent managed to dump into play. I've heard of someone out-racing Progenitus but I doubt that's possible with this.

2010-03-25, 08:28	Link #93
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	Traps never really made any impact outside of Limited, except for Ravenous Trap which ironically is useless in Limited, heh. I enjoy the mechanic in Limited games though, gives you another factor to consider and play around, even though a lot of the time they are just played normally instead of for the trap cost. I still think Mindbreak Trap is really underrated though. It's pretty slow normally but with Cascade being so prevalent I still think it has potential. I'm also really liking Level Up from what I've seen so far. I had been trying to come up with a similar mechanic for a set I was making but couldn't figure out how to word it or make it work, and then they went and did it perfectly. The blue guy is going to be ridiculous for people who play multiplayer. I have to say though, I would never have expected "defending player sacrifices x permanents" to become a keyword ability. I really hope they don't put that on anything cheap. The common with Annihilator 2 costs 8 so I could see them possibly printing an Annihilator 1 at 6. If they do that I think that will see play.

2010-03-25, 08:47	Link #94
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	Guys, you can't be serious. 15 mana!! Also, it can't be reanimated from the graveyard, since it will never go there in the first place. So, the only realistic way for this ever seeing play: Urzatron/Mana Flare type decks or "Put into play" effects. Are there any worthy ones around?

2010-03-25, 09:17	Link #95
RWBladewing Salt Levels Critical Join Date: Oct 2007	Hypergenesis + Demonic Dread = free 15 mana guy on turn 3. It's only a matter of whether people would rather play him or Progenitus. Also, he does go to the graveyard. The ability says "When Emrakul is put into a graveyard", as opposed to something like Darksteel Colossus which says "If Darksteel Colossus would be put into a graveyard". Subtle but there is a huge difference. Thus he can be reanimated by an instant like Makeshift Mannequin while the graveyard ability trigger is on the stack.

2010-03-25, 15:44	Link #97
Xion Valkyrie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Traps are great if only for the Yu-Gi-Oh cheese factor. I lay down my trap card and end my turn! You've activated my trap card! HO HO HO.

2010-03-25, 23:54	Link #99
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	^There's the huge difference in casting speed, dunno of any instants that can't be countered yet (then again I'm very behind in magic). Anyway, about the "new" mana overload hype, it should be relatively easy to play creatures of all costs using an elf deck (especially if you got timberwood elves + something to draw more cards, so green-blue would be fitting. I'm not particularly fond of these boss-like monsters, it switches the focus of players from battles of attrition to stopping the countdown, kills the original spirit of the game, and makes it a lot simpler as well: stacking your cards for a big bad summon is nowhere near as hard as deciding which weakling to kill, where to cast your buffs, etc.