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Sansker · 2013-03-17, 12:06

With the Numbers is really arguable how much, or how well, they where develop. I just think we jump too fast in to the “were are best friends” territory without too much to back that up. Hey, we were discussing the other day how many people they might kill and we never ever have any indication they feel guilty about it. Cinque even gets to be part of the Nakajima family despite helping to kill the mother and brutally defeats Ginga and kidnapped her to be brainwash. I mean, that must be a really awkward conversation when they first meet after the incident was over. You could at least work that kind of facts instead of largely assume that, thanks to the time skip, we already get it over. Is just lazy. But let’s talk about this in the StrikerS thread.

Back with Force I think the Hückebein family will be going in the same direction. So far they seem to be really evil, do bad things, laugh about it and then are focus as possible friends. So they might end up joining the good guys and we will skip like one year or so and they will be all good friends. Which won’t be that bad if we were having better characterization for them but we lack that so far.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 12:25

To elaborate more on the Hucks, so far they're plenty self-reliable enough to not need any help from the heroes (in fact it almost seems the opposite, the Huckebein are giving the heroes "chances" to succedd in small goals xDU), in past seasons no matter how dangerous or powerfull Fate or the Wolks were, it was clearly stated they needed help to realize they're on a downward spiral and thus we were motivated for both: for the antagonists to see the light and reach a happy ending as also for the heroes to be able to give them the aid they need to overcome their struggle. The Huckebein? not so much, they're just perfectly ok on their own and so far get all the spotlight in both battle and dialogue by fact of not only being far stronger than the heroes but also being much better informed as well ...so the question is? What's the goal of our heroes ...and why we should symphasize with it?

The current Arc in FORCE feels like a battle between Hardis Vandin and Curren Huckebein with Hayate and her unit caught in the crossfire xDU

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-17, 12:44

To be honest, I do think it's kinda lame that the first person to significantly injure one of the Hucks is another villain.

00-Raiser · 2013-03-17, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

To be honest, I do think it's kinda lame that the first person to significantly inconvenience one of the Hucks is another villain.

Uh, you do know what Signum does to Cypha in the next chapter, right?

Keroko · 2013-03-17, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

To be honest, I do think it's kinda lame that the first person to significantly inconvenience one of the Hucks is another villain.

Yes, I agree there. I know it's done to make him a credible threat, but it wouldn't have hurt to have the heroes do a major push back against the Hucks first.

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-17, 13:06

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Uh, you do know what Signum does to Cypha in the next chapter, right?

That didn't really do anything to her, even if I enjoyed it.

Kurohane · 2013-03-17, 13:26

What we really need is some more information. We know Vandien has done expriments, but they are only creating replica dividers and reactors as noted with the letter and number serial. That means the originals are being developed elsewhere. Its clear the Hucks weren't infected by Vandein. They only contracted with them and got burned. While the recent arc Get Away is a nice change of pace. We do need a more clear sense of direction.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 13:32

three words: Curren's family reunion

EFFING WHEN!?

00-Raiser · 2013-03-17, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

That didn't really do anything to her, even if I enjoyed it.

I'd say it certainly "inconvenienced" her.

Keroko · 2013-03-17, 14:56

It certainly was a loss, but more a blow to the ego than an genuine inconvenience. Losing limbs isn't that big a deal for an infected.

Speaking of which, this battle shows just how different the fighting style between an infected and a mage is. A mage relies on shields and barriers to defend against attacks, an infected just takes the hits and keeps on fighting. Cypha comments on how backing down from the pain of getting stabbed through the stomach shows her opponent's a newbie at this.

Nanya01 · 2013-03-17, 15:01

Huh, good to know about that.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 15:05

That also used to be Vita's fightstyle until she was introduced to Curren Huckebein the hard way xDU

Keroko · 2013-03-17, 15:16

No, for Vita getting stabbed was an actual liability and something that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Not part of the usual routine. The two are incomparable.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 15:26

Still Vita's preferred combat style doesen't allow for much dodging or shielding. Of the old cast, she's easily the one who has taken more hits.

The difference, of course is that she has been gradually losing her capacity to withstand direct hits like her fellow Wolks while the Hucks are like Superman fused with Wolverine xDU

Justin_Brett · 2013-03-17, 17:26

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I'd say it certainly "inconvenienced" her.

Well really, the whole reason she was there was to make herself look good to Touma, and that worked regardless of what Signum did, sadly.

Akiyoshi · 2013-03-17, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

Well really, the whole reason she was there was to make herself look good to Touma, and that worked regardless of what Signum did, sadly.

On Signum's defense, Tohma is nice towards Veyron even after witnessing him cackling over the corpses of three nuns xDU Tohma will be sympathetic with Cypha no matter what Signum does xDU

Kaijo · 2013-03-17, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Kurohane

What we really need is some more information. We know Vandien has done expriments, but they are only creating replica dividers and reactors as noted with the letter and number serial. That means the originals are being developed elsewhere. Its clear the Hucks weren't infected by Vandein. They only contracted with them and got burned. While the recent arc Get Away is a nice change of pace. We do need a more clear sense of direction.

Given that the book of the Silver Cross has been around since Belkan days, it wouldn't surprise me that the real dividers are lost logia, and that Curren and her family were mostly infected with them by accident (or had someone else at some point infect them). Vanden comes along and sees the neato energy and weapons potential, and begins trying to duplicate it. Not much different than trying to duplicate a jewel seed.

Perhaps we could use more direction, but the once a month thing does hurt. With once a week, we'd be getting a faster pace and thus a more solid direction. At this point, RF6 is trying to stop the Grendels and Hucks, while also doing an investigation into Vanden and other Eclipse matters, trying to get to the bottom of where they are coming from. There is quite a bit of mystery going on, which is largely to blame for why it feels like the direction is unclear.

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On Signum's defense, Tohma is nice towards Veyron even after witnessing him cackling over the corpses of three nuns xDU Tohma will be sympathetic with Cypha no matter what Signum does xDU

Thoma? Nice toward Veyron? Did you miss the chapter where Thoma tried to blow Veyron up? And where Thoma's subconscious "evil" side has taken the appearance of Veyron? Thoma may be seem to be playing nice at times, but the boy has definite Veyron-issues that will come out to play sometime later.

But yeah, Thoma is a male Nanoha. He'll be "nice" toward practically every antagonist.

00-Raiser · 2013-03-17, 18:12

Silly Kaijo. Only girls can get away with stuff like that. Because boobs, I guess.

Nanya01 · 2013-03-17, 18:14

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Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Silly Kaijo. Only girls can get away with stuff like that. Because boobs, I guess.

What's the loli's excuse then?

Keroko · 2013-03-17, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Nanya01

What's the loli's excuse then?

Being Loli.

2013-03-17, 12:06	Link #7721
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	With the Numbers is really arguable how much, or how well, they where develop. I just think we jump too fast in to the “were are best friends” territory without too much to back that up. Hey, we were discussing the other day how many people they might kill and we never ever have any indication they feel guilty about it. Cinque even gets to be part of the Nakajima family despite helping to kill the mother and brutally defeats Ginga and kidnapped her to be brainwash. I mean, that must be a really awkward conversation when they first meet after the incident was over. You could at least work that kind of facts instead of largely assume that, thanks to the time skip, we already get it over. Is just lazy. But let’s talk about this in the StrikerS thread. Back with Force I think the Hückebein family will be going in the same direction. So far they seem to be really evil, do bad things, laugh about it and then are focus as possible friends. So they might end up joining the good guys and we will skip like one year or so and they will be all good friends. Which won’t be that bad if we were having better characterization for them but we lack that so far. __________________

2013-03-17, 12:25	Link #7722
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	To elaborate more on the Hucks, so far they're plenty self-reliable enough to not need any help from the heroes (in fact it almost seems the opposite, the Huckebein are giving the heroes "chances" to succedd in small goals xDU), in past seasons no matter how dangerous or powerfull Fate or the Wolks were, it was clearly stated they needed help to realize they're on a downward spiral and thus we were motivated for both: for the antagonists to see the light and reach a happy ending as also for the heroes to be able to give them the aid they need to overcome their struggle. The Huckebein? not so much, they're just perfectly ok on their own and so far get all the spotlight in both battle and dialogue by fact of not only being far stronger than the heroes but also being much better informed as well ...so the question is? What's the goal of our heroes ...and why we should symphasize with it? The current Arc in FORCE feels like a battle between Hardis Vandin and Curren Huckebein with Hayate and her unit caught in the crossfire xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-17, 12:44	Link #7723
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	To be honest, I do think it's kinda lame that the first person to significantly injure one of the Hucks is another villain. Last edited by Justin_Brett; 2013-03-17 at 13:06.

2013-03-17, 13:26	Link #7727
Kurohane Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	What we really need is some more information. We know Vandien has done expriments, but they are only creating replica dividers and reactors as noted with the letter and number serial. That means the originals are being developed elsewhere. Its clear the Hucks weren't infected by Vandein. They only contracted with them and got burned. While the recent arc Get Away is a nice change of pace. We do need a more clear sense of direction. __________________

2013-03-17, 13:32	Link #7728
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	three words: Curren's family reunion EFFING WHEN!? __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-17, 14:56	Link #7730
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	It certainly was a loss, but more a blow to the ego than an genuine inconvenience. Losing limbs isn't that big a deal for an infected. Speaking of which, this battle shows just how different the fighting style between an infected and a mage is. A mage relies on shields and barriers to defend against attacks, an infected just takes the hits and keeps on fighting. Cypha comments on how backing down from the pain of getting stabbed through the stomach shows her opponent's a newbie at this.

2013-03-17, 15:01	Link #7731
Nanya01 Left for TFF Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Frozen Hell of the North Age: 41	Huh, good to know about that. __________________ My fics Due to certain things, I am not here, find me over on TFF.

2013-03-17, 15:05	Link #7732
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	That also used to be Vita's fightstyle until she was introduced to Curren Huckebein the hard way xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-03-17, 15:16	Link #7733
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	No, for Vita getting stabbed was an actual liability and something that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Not part of the usual routine. The two are incomparable.

2013-03-17, 15:26	Link #7734
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	Still Vita's preferred combat style doesen't allow for much dodging or shielding. Of the old cast, she's easily the one who has taken more hits. The difference, of course is that she has been gradually losing her capacity to withstand direct hits like her fellow Wolks while the Hucks are like Superman fused with Wolverine xDU __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~ Last edited by Akiyoshi; 2013-03-17 at 15:44.

2013-03-17, 18:12	Link #7738
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	Silly Kaijo. Only girls can get away with stuff like that. Because boobs, I guess. __________________