2012-07-13, 03:34 | Link #1 | |
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Former Anime Staff Member Writes About Working Environment
might as well re-post this great insight again on the condition of the anime industry
source: http://anond.hatelabo.jp/20120712005200 (blog entry date: 2012-07-12) original post: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=463111 The following is a translation of a blog article posted on July 12, 2012 Quote:
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2012-07-13, 05:05 | Link #5 | |
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Like this old thread http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=28856 or this this article from 2006 http://www.riuva.com/?p=111 |
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2012-07-13, 05:06 | Link #6 | |
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there are more detailed infomation on this thread that thread even describe the working environment of animator worse than this.
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2012-07-13, 05:59 | Link #9 |
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that word "i wonder" reminded me of my reply on that MAL thread too
i said there that i wonder why japanese anime companies does not use the internet to increase profit, crunchyroll should have been made by them first but instead crunchyroll is made by USA, and also they can go for kickstarter website to at least ensure break-even profit incase the anime they sell fails, but no kickstarter is also started by USA, their is an upcoming anime kind of project on kickstarter too to show crowd funding works for anime its title is "The New Kind" here is the trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2C7oFhH7dc but the japanese who translated that blog to english said that more japanese are not internet savvy, and that was a shocker since many people consider japan as a hi-tech country |
2012-07-13, 06:16 | Link #10 | |
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Your post in MAL and here suggests that streaming would be THE answer for japanese anime producers. Truth is that streaming services doesn't earn them back even a slight amount of the huge costs for producing an anime. Example: a blu-ray for 2 epsiodes costs me around 7000-8000 yen, while the costs of "renting" 2 episodes on niconico douga would be cost me 420 yen. edit: it is also obvious that the anime producers will not even get the full ammount of the stream, because some or most of it goes naturally to the streaming website. Last edited by hyl; 2012-07-13 at 06:27. |
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2012-07-13, 06:34 | Link #11 | |
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and ye i get your point of anime is costly to make but they should experiment and think more atleast on the profit effects of "higher prices get less customers" or "lower prices get more customers" i read that anime like K-On and Haruhi is sold at lower prices on USA by Bandai and that fails but japanese anime companies never yet tried sites like CrunchyRoll and KickStarter on a global scale to get more potential buyers and more potential profit ye that too their is too much Red Tape or too much Bureaucracy or too much middle-man why not Japanese Anime Studio become like hybrid of Indie Film makers with Crowd Funding and just directly sell stuff from their website for example |
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2012-07-13, 06:50 | Link #12 |
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Before this anime goes out of hand and becomes another anime streaming or anime cost topic, here are some nice reads on those subjects
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-07 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-09 Going back on the original purpose of this thread. The bad working conditions isn't limited to japanese animation studios , but it applies for the majority of the small/middle sized companies in Japan. Eventhough animators do get severely underpaid though. edit: I also recall that i have read somewhere that employers of game companies (like the very known square enix) in japn also have similar bad working conditions. |
2012-07-13, 07:03 | Link #13 | |
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i just read from another forum and by googling that meanwhile gaming industry is making a lot of money in japan though, might be those movie game genre (games that plays like a movie or tv series) will be the evolution of anime |
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2012-07-13, 07:08 | Link #14 |
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Reading that, I can't help but feel that a large part of the problem isn't even the low pay (although that is of course important), but the lack of camaraderie and esprit de corp.
Nobody wants to go work with losers everyday.
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2012-07-13, 07:11 | Link #15 |
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It is these terrible working conditions and salaries that result in the huge number of anime we enjoy today. As much as I'd like to think they deserve better treatment, if they were given high salaries and a luxurious environment, the cost of anime would skyrocket. As a result of that, the turnover rate of anime series per season would drop dramatically, resulting in less variety, much like how American animation is now.
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2012-07-13, 19:23 | Link #16 | |
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I feel bad for the working conditions that many of these people have to go through but this guy sounds awfully judgmental. From reading his comments it seems the problem is everyone else he is working with. These lines especially rubbed me the wrong way.
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2012-07-14, 08:30 | Link #18 |
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As an animator who has heard from many professionals and veterans in the industry, I can tell you that no animator outside of Japan in their right mind would want to work on anime.
Being an animator in Japan means you are more a factory worker or salaryman than an artist. and you get paid less than them. You have to work so much that you don't go home, you either bring a tent and sleep in the studio or just sleep under your desk. Of all arts, animation is one of the toughest and least glorious, no one ever knows the names and faces of these actors who act with their pencils. You don't draw or make one thing and get famous for it, you draw thousands of similar frames and no audience knows the amount of effort you put in. There is simply no money and recognition to work in Japan as an animator and films you produce are technically inferior to western productions, you won't get a strong portfolio as well.
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2012-07-14, 09:11 | Link #19 |
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For balancing a little bit so its not gonna too bleak at here, I reading about Ufotable studio before, they're interviewing the young staff at the studios that involved at the production of Fate/Zero and while the article itself mostly about Fate/Zero anime production.
There is a little segment here and there that those staff telling stories about working environment in Ufotable, they saying its very good on there.. the work was very stressing but they have little cafe for relaxing, they also saying in Ufotable they do not separate the senior and junior in work, if you have capabilities you gotta work, etc here is the article in japanese :http://news.mynavi.jp/special/2012/fatezero/index.html KyoAni also famous with how they treat their worker better than in most place. But its true though, Anime industry is bad place to work, in most case its just like the blog in the OP post. I just wish the recent trend of emergence of new studios (like Ufotable) that build by experienced figure, like Imaishi with studio trigger, MAPPA, Hosoda also build brand new studio.. there is also A-1, I hope those studio can have and develop better working environment for anime worker. At the very least they can work comfortably and not like labor.
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