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Problem is, the normal manga/anime community doesn't give a fuck about this rule-set. So I'm reading shit like "lol, he got NTR'd" when the main-heroine blushes at a dude that isn't the protag. That's not NTR. That's a girl blushing at someone who is not the protag. Fucking hell. |
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2011-05-10, 14:39 | Link #62 | |
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More over NTR is complex because now it doesnt mark a situation (like say incest etc) but also the main purpose of it - as in jealousy/rage. Japanese game makers themselves are creating this. I mean one game is marked netorare-tag where has wife cheating, but other game caries NTR mark where the girl barely knows the main guy and he is egocentrically sinking into his feelings of rage watching her dating. Both are legitimate names but concepts are vastly different, what makes them similar is the feelings of rage they provoke. Some argue that some wife cheating stories are less NTR than say stories about brother learning his sister is a slut and feeling enraged depressed because of the intensity of feelings it create. Thats why the stylization doesnt work because the main source of the term (japanese eroge market) is already stripping it of that. There are too many situations to make it concrete. And the creator and the main reason of popularity (eroge community) is making it so that it would never be concrete enough. Thats why the best connection between all so many different situations that hide behind NTR is sumed up in feeling of rage. |
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2011-05-10, 14:48 | Link #63 |
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... or maybe the NTR or any other tag has no bearing on the actual writing quality of a series, and one shouldn't be so pedantic to the point where the discussion revolves around the label instead of the actual content of the story. Drop it.
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2011-05-10, 14:56 | Link #64 | |
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You have to realize that NTR tag became a product tag. Little Butterflies for example are bathing in their netorare eroge company fame (at first they did 50% to 50% ntr to 'normal' game but now they are nearly 100% NTR). Some authors already start writing having in mind that they need NTR. So its not as separate from the story really since nowadays tag can influence the concept rather than just the opposite. |
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2011-05-10, 15:05 | Link #66 |
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Yeah. It derailed. But your comment helped nothing to bring it back on track. Best way is to change the theme and discuss something from the said manga rather than further supporting derailment by complaining about it.
Returning back to Velvet Kiss, soba scans have removed full first volume links due to some pages missing, but now its corrected and up again on Soba's site. |
2011-05-10, 15:46 | Link #69 | |
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Observe. It was there, just overlooked.
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2011-05-10, 16:39 | Link #70 | ||
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New Velvet Kiss chapters come once in a blue moon, why anyone would complain about off-topic discussion in a slow thread like this is beyond me. Picking out posts you want to respond to is not hard.
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Sure, NTR is not only about cheating but it sure as hell shouldn't go as far as including jealousy problems of deranged individuals. You have to draw the line somewhere. What's the point of having this term if you don't? |
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2011-05-10, 17:12 | Link #71 | |
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I felt Musa avoided that trap by telling a solid story, with believable characters. I did rage initially, but I was also happy that the ending avoided the biggest NTR trope. Hence my recommendation and warning. Looking back on it, I feel that Musa was a stronger and better story than many Josei stories collected on the average manga sites. I'd mark Velvet Kiss higher than most too, so far. People like Velvet Kiss because unlike so many erotic stories (we won't go back into the "is it hentai" argument), this one actually has a decent plot and character development. Events in the story don't feel like a gimmick to get to the sex scenes, everything feels important. If just for that, it's above and beyond most of the usual genre crap.
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2011-05-11, 01:30 | Link #73 | ||
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Who are we to draw the line whenn the prime inventors and users of the growing in popularity term see no reason to limit it. They will continue do it and as far as they continue making products we will continue to take in the tag the way they use with the meaning they want, because otherwise there would become two different NTR which would cause even more confusion than there is now. Anyway, we should really drop the discussion. Now I like discussing with you such themes as NTR or tsundere tags but this is really not the place even if Velvet Kiss comes out once in a month. Quote:
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2011-05-11, 09:36 | Link #74 |
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To be honest I'm slightly annoyed at the sex scenes in Velvet Kiss. I like looking at Kano's breasts as much as the next guy but having an obligatory sex-scene in EVERY chapter just takes away story-content from chapters that are already pretty short. Less is more when it comes to sex-scenes that can't be used as fap material.
It's a rather minor annoyance though because.....tits. And one last thing concerning this NTR-discussion Those prime inventors (eroge companies from 1998, maybe earlier) are long gone. Atelier Sakura is like, 1 year old. And these new companies and mangaka are not immune from misusing the term just like a random forum-dweller. Somebody in this thread pointed out how there is absolutely no NTR in Netorare Fighter Yarichingu for example. It's a company's ignorance at best and a misleading marketing-stunt at worst. They get called out for this shit but the ignorance still spreads. I see no value in supporting this development because the term is not really "expanding", it's just losing significance. |
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Altho I generally don't have a problem with such a thing, it is however the way I define a series between normal manga with some sex scenes or just simply put porn but in this case porn with a story. I know that isn't a real way or may be even a good way to define the 2 but it's my way. And no amount of saying so will change my mind. Solace summed it up pretty well for me. Quote:
Well i got no real complaints so far, it's not bad, the art keeps things steaming for me
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2011-05-11, 13:40 | Link #76 | |
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And Soviet, though discussing NTR is interesting we should drop it really. |
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2011-05-11, 14:17 | Link #77 |
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Ah yes the porn vs erotic story thing, I've been through that a long time ago with friends.
In the end we all settled with "yes it's just porn"(after hours of pointless yelling, shounting and whatnot, good old days) Sure I know theres a difference and if need be I would say so but I've never had a need to point out differences cause in the end it doesn't make much of a difference to me or that I really just don't care. If I like it be it simple porn or a porn with a story I will just like it. I know people appreciate stuff for what it is and that we should do so but I'm too lazy to be stiff about it all. I don't think it matters what a series is labelled as anyway, anyone reading this would(should) be old enough to make their own judgements. VK is VK no matter what you take out, cause that can basically be said about every series. (And no I don't care for any examples that may not apply to that statment) I don't expect anyone to think the same way I do concerning this.
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2011-05-11, 15:43 | Link #79 | |
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After all pornography means seeing from the close-up in its actual meaning. Erotic usually does showing breasts, buttocks but no real close-up shots of genetalia and penetration. Thats why VK is not porn but erotic manga. |
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