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felix · 2006-08-22, 13:23

@ firelycan

Up until now I thought Oyashiro-sama = godess... lol

Q. Are we seing multiple stories or just one ?

Wanderer · 2006-08-23, 00:37

I found it quite interesting that Rena was apologising towards K1 back in Onikakushi-hen. Later she asks K1 if he'd ever had someone apologise to him over and over. Now, why would Rena face K1 and apologise when we know that her big thing in her past was to apologise to Oyashiro-sama? Does she think that K1 is Oyashiro-sama?

Also, the first time I watched Tatarigoroshi-hen, K1's homicidal side just seemed... out of character (not to mention just plain stupid). I kind of felt like something more than his desire to protect Satoko was compelling him to do it.

So, let me just throw the idea out there: What if Satoko's comment at the end of Tatarigoroshi-hen about K1 being possessed was right.

Now, what if Rena in Onikakushi-hen was familiar with the Tatarigoroshi possession phenominon, (which is what happened to her before, and what happened to Satoshi) but was not familiar with whatever K1 was going through in Onikakushi-hen? What if she mistook K1's schizophrenia for the Tatarigoroshi possession/curse?

Sure, as a theory, it's out there. But, heck, I'm sure the real answer is gonna be at least as weird as this.

felix · 2006-08-23, 07:09

@ Wanderer

K1? Is this some mean name people use for Keiichi on the board @_@. How cruel.

My Stupid Theory

Himawiza is situated on volcanic vents.
These strings of murders are just the latest pieces in a very big and bloody picture of Himawizas history.

The volcanic vents produce poisonous gas that seeps out from the ground unnoticed. Contact with it can cause hallucinations and an increased sense of paranoia.

While it affects everyone, children *hint hint* and/or people with a weak body and spirit (or that have had some recent traumatizing event to induce mental stress) will feel its effects.

The gas increases the adrenalin in the blood and sharpens the senses, which leads to paranoia.

The most serious effect occurs at night, when the body is usually stressed and awareness increases. Victims experience realistic nightmares where their worse fears come true before their eyes. They also loose their sense of reality. Hence even when they wake up they still mix some part of the dream world with reality. They are basically awake, because of the adrenaline in their blood, and yet half way to sleep walking.

In such circumstances the subjects become violent and unsociable, which hides the fact that his body is suffering from the effects of the gas.

The act of being "demoned away" is a folktale derived from the effect of the gas. Presumably the vents would build up pressure and in specific periods of time release it, most likely at 1 year difference, it's not surprising that the time period would coincide with the festival. Like most culture a festival to please the gods is usually help prior to or on the exact date when the people thought that the gods would be angry and great peril would befall upon them. (like strings of murders)

Since the subjects are most vulnerable to the gas at night its very likely that Oyashiro-sama would come and sit at the window of their bed and whisper dark thoughts to them at that time, and all the hideous acts (like murders) would occur at night.

The reasons why the strings of murders are so intense in the last years is probably because of the increasing build up of gas... a premonition for the finale.

Anyway, the real world should be most of the scenes that occur in the middle of the day. or the scenes at night that appear in multiple arcs : like Rika's neck thing or Shion and Keiichis conversation or the story at the shack of fun & joy... stuff like that.

Full dream world is when the scene seems to be exactly as the characters paranoia dictates... like for example when the villages chief and council act all cold at the news that someone violated their holy shit... uhh... I mean shack. (I'm not 100% sure but if I remember correctly at a meeting between Ooishi and Keiichi they made it evident that for most of the day the village chief wasn't even in Himawiza) another full dream could be when Keiichi meats Rena (with the cleaver) and is followed buy the goons and eventually gets hit by some bat. After it hits he wakes up with Rena and supposedly Mion by his side. (of course it could be backwards very easily... the hole scene where he kills them could be fake, since we see him in another arc being carried away on a stretcher as the only survivor after the big finale. My guess is that his father wants to reopen the dam project, and the goons want to use Keiichi as blackmail...

Anyway...
RealityDream moment... like for example when Keiichi wakes up (from what I just described above) that would be dream reality... as in there are elements of reality and things that he just imagines, like the syringe. I speculate that the actual time span between certain events is very short. What appears to be several days in the episode(s) could just be one day. Well I personally find it strange how Mion isn't suffering from hunger and is still (while depressed) all bright and shiny days. Other examples of "RealityDream" would be Mion-Onibaba conversation (for Shion) and definitely most of Renas evil moments (for Keiichi). I suspect that some of the things are just exaggerations of her actual words and some are completely fake. The completely fake ones (in Renas case) are most likely the ones where she doesn't repeat the last word. For example in the last example that I gave for the dream state (in the paragraph above), the one that happens in Ep4 when Rena is in school uniform with a machete, she never repeated the last word, not even once.

Bla Bla Bla......

Ok that's it for my little theory... I think it about covers most of the events... except Rika... She's one of the most non-normal characters in the show... In Ep20 when she's walking with Shion, after Shion turns her back and says something like : "what's she up to ?" her face goes from cute to horror in a ghostly fashion... I'm not sure if that's an animation fluke or if its suppose to be like that. Anyway the premonition thing seems so supernatural its hard to figure out.

Oh well, one thing that comes to mind about Rika is that she's probably the one who killed Satoshi. (maybe for revenge against Satoko)

kj1980 · 2006-08-23, 09:35

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Originally Posted by BlackCatXIII

K1? Is this some mean name people use for Keiichi on the board @_@. How cruel.

It's a supposed "cool way" that foreign anime fans think of writing out "Keiichi." I believe this comes from how Morisato Keiichi in "Ah! Megami-sama" signs his name.

Audity · 2006-08-25, 18:11

From the end of the Curse Killing Chapter arc,

Spoiler:

I know absolutely nothing about this series except from what I watched just from yesterday and today (1 - 20), so I just want to give my observations and perspective without reading any official information beforehand. It seems to me that the first arc was like a filler/introductory arc. The following arc "actually starts" the series. At the end of the 2nd arc, there's a horrible conclusion (fate-wise, not quality-wise). Then the 3rd one seems like a totally different scenario, but actually connects to the 5th arc in many ways -- the current arc being a different perspective of the 2nd arc.

I can only wonder what the next arc is going to be like. I predict that it's going to focus on Rena, and be pretty much in a completely different scenario than any of the arcs thus far. Most everything's been explained by now, except the mysteries of Rena.

Also, anyone know of any blooper-type material that's going to be released? This series simply reeks of quality blooper material, especially during the first few arcs where one can quite possibly get really confused why people keep disappearing and reappearing. That combined with and because characters' personalities change at so many points.

Shuin4 · 2006-08-25, 19:25

I don't know if this was posted yet, but I found a site that lists all the differences between the anime and the game (atleast up until episode 5). it even goes into detail on what the anime didn't say, like what actually happened when Rena attacked her friends at her old school in Onikakushi-hen.

anyway, link: http://www.makenaidesuwayo.com/categ...ime/higurashi/

Sushi-Y · 2006-08-25, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audity

From the end of the Curse Killing Chapter arc,

Spoiler:

Why is it that people call it "gas explosion"? ^^; There are no explosions whatsoever. It's a disaster involving poisonous gases.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Audity

I know absolutely nothing about this series except from what I watched just from yesterday and today (1 - 20), so I just want to give my observations and perspective without reading any official information beforehand.

Unfortunately, this anime is little more than a digest of the actual game story, so don't be surprised if many things leave you scatching your head going "huh?"

imac2much · 2006-08-26, 09:14

Spoiler for TIPS questions - big spoilers for Meakashi, be warned!:

LostBlue · 2006-08-26, 11:19

Spoiler for RE: imac2much:

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Originally Posted by LostBlue

Shion forces Mion to switch names. Shion takes back her name as Mion (as she really born was Mion - at least if we were to trust her memory), thus forces Shion (formally Mion) to call her Onee as "Mion" is the superior one.

I've still yet to seen the EP. Was this skipped?

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Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

Now that you mention it, was this covered in the anime? I don't remember hearing it. Did they skip that part?

Shion was actually born as Mion, and Mion was born as Shion.

Spoiler: True Identity of the Twins

Since "Mion" (that is, the Shion that we know) is the rightful heir to the Sonozaki family, she was favored over "Shion" (the Mion that we know) ever since they were little.

"Mion" and "Shion" disliked the different treatments they got: they're the same person, so why should one be treated different from the other?

That's why they began swapping identities so they could both enjoy the privileges that "Mion" has. Sometimes Mion would become Shion, and Shion would become Mion. In a way, both of them are Mion, and both of them are Shion.

However, one day, while "Shion" was pretending to be Mion, she was taken away and was given the demon tattoo which marked her as the next head of the Sonozaki family.

... Starting from that day, "Shion" lost her identity as Shion, and became Mion. "Mion" lost her identity as Mion, and became Shion.

That's why Mion has always felt bad towards Shion for stealing her identity, because it was Shion (the original Mion) who should've been chosen as the next head of the Sonozaki family, not her.

When Shion locked Mion up inside the underground jail cell, they finally reverted back to their original identities, hence the "onee" from Mion.

You can also see Shion referring to Mion as "Shion" in the final TIPs as well.

Now you know the true meanings behind Mion and Shion's coversation inside the library!

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Originally Posted by LostBlue

Although Shion in her demented state accused Mion of purposely knowing the tattoo will be given on that day (b/c the day "Mion" was invited to a banquet, strangely "Shion" was invited to go to an amusement park - a rare treat). One of the famous lines here is "Give me back my Mion."

Also see the last few tips for this chapter.
The 2nd to last TIP Notebook of Happiness ( Ep.21) is where Oishi figures out the name switch.

imac2much · 2006-08-26, 11:57

Spoiler for Lostblue:

Sushi-Y · 2006-08-26, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by imac2much

Spoiler for Lostblue:

That was me, and I was referring to kj's notes for the last TIPs (which referred to Shion as Mion). Of course, no changes are made to the actual TIPs themselves (hence you see Shion calling Mion "Shion" in some of those TIPs).

actawesomee · 2006-08-28, 01:23

hi all I'm new to these forums this is my first post. I want to know if someone will help me make an AMV using maxwell's silver hammer and higurashi together.

Vicke · 2006-08-29, 21:55

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Originally Posted by BakaOnna

About the rain in ep 11. In the previous arcs, there wasn't any rain during the Watanagashi festival, but there was one in this arc. However, it did rain after the festival in Watanagashi-hen.

Just got a random thought about that rain when I read about the death dates in the tips thread. Could it be something simple as the festival in Tatarigoroshi-hen is held at an different date? In Onikakushi-hen, ep 2, we can see that it rains 2 days after Watanagashi festival. Could that mean that the festival in Tatarigoroshi-hen is held at the 21 of June instead of the 19th?

Bloodseeker · 2006-08-30, 01:02

Seeing as how I can't make threads thanks to that stupid ass rule, I guess that I'll just put this here...

Casey and Friends! (4kids Higurashi parody)

"Casey's" girl-scream FTW!

Killer Loli · 2006-08-31, 16:38

Who here has read Minagoroshi-hen? I was just wondering, since the anime goes only up to Tsumihoroboshi-hen, about whether Minagoroshi-hen has a logical answer for everything, a paranormal answer or a combination of both? i can't tell from the TIPS section alone + have not read Minagoroshi-hen

MarmoO · 2006-08-31, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicke

Just got a random thought about that rain when I read about the death dates in the tips thread. Could it be something simple as the festival in Tatarigoroshi-hen is held at an different date? In Onikakushi-hen, ep 2, we can see that it rains 2 days after Watanagashi festival. Could that mean that the festival in Tatarigoroshi-hen is held at the 21 of June instead of the 19th?

I think this tip from Himatsubushi has the crucial meaning here:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...0&postcount=73

Symmetry · 2006-08-31, 21:57

Predictions for Tsumihoroboshi.

Keichi was hallucinating a lot. I'm guessing the needle wasn't really there, the eye slits were imagined, and the demeaner and word choice of Rena were exagerated in his perception, adn that Rena was really afraid for/of him and trying to save him from what she had experienced earlier rather than trying to hurt him.

Since Wikipedia predicts a happyish ending, Keichi will end up being saved after Mion and Rena manage to inject him with the antidote they got from either Rika or the Doctor.

kj1980 · 2006-08-31, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Symmetry

Predictions for Tsumihoroboshi.

Keichi was hallucinating a lot. I'm guessing the needle wasn't really there, the eye slits were imagined, and the demeaner and word choice of Rena were exagerated in his perception, adn that Rena was really afraid for/of him and trying to save him from what she had experienced earlier rather than trying to hurt him.

Since Wikipedia predicts a happyish ending, Keichi will end up being saved after Mion and Rena manage to inject him with the antidote they got from either Rika or the Doctor.

Because the wikipedia was confusing, and someone else seemed to have editted it proclaiming that it was a direct story for Onikakushi-hen, we've updated the wikipedia so that it now reads:

Unlike Meakashi-hen, Tsumihoroboshi-hen is a totally different story where Rena undergoes a similar situation that befell upon Keiichi in Onikakushi-hen. This episode explains many details on what went wrong in Onikakushi-hen, except this time the "victim" is Rena.

Bottom line: Tsumihoroboshi-hen IS NOT a direct opposite view of Onikakushi-hen.

NykylaiHellray · 2006-09-01, 11:40

What I am still trying to figure out, is what is Keichii?

In my eyes most supernatural stuff can be explained, yet then he comes along in that one chapter, wishing people dead, and surprise surprise them dying. Whether this is concidence is debatetable, yet in the tips the interviewer dies the way keichi cursed him =/.....

I am also still wondering if the parrel universes are touching each other after seperating =/ is the parrel universe thing more important then we believe?

dKiWi · 2006-09-01, 12:25

I'm gona post my rational theory for Onikakushi/Tsumihoroboshi-hen here, which I believe I posted in a previous thread before it got deleted. Credit goes to kj for tipping me as well as everyone off for the marker cross syringe picture that it is a big hint.

I got this theory lying around my anime blog since I watched episode 9 I believe, so I'm gona re-write the whole thing here after watching Meakashi-hen. I have not touched Tsumihoroboshi-hen yet, even tho the raw is out.

I'll try to be as complete as possible, so expect a long post.

Onikakushi-hen Episode Analysis

The function of Episode 1:

Episode 1 is easily dismissed as an introductory chapter. However it should not be dismissed as it contains a crucial event that ANSWERS the HUGE question in Episode 4! Of course after HEAVY support from other question and answer arcs. I will say it again in bold: ONIKAKUSHI-HEN EPISODE 1 ANSWERS ONIKAKUSHI-HEN EPISODE 4!

The function of Episode 2:

Episode 2 functions as a counter-check for the Hallucinogen theory for Rena's case.

Function of Episode 3:

Episode 3 is an introduction to the manner the main bulk of questions will be be asked in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni.

Function of Episode 4:

This episode shoots questions at the viewer like bullets from an MG and is heavily narrative towards the end. Solving these questions is crucial to solving the mysteries behind Onikakushi-hen.

Main theory: The Hallucinogen Theory

Main point for H-THeory:

At the beginning of episode 3 Keichii was injected by Dr Irie for a "cold". This is strange, as the average patient would be given pills or syrup. Moreover, Keichii was more or less faking the cold to avoid Rena for the day.

I believe the drug injected contained a hallucinogen. Notice that everything only went haywire after he was injected.

Digression H-Theory Question 1: Why would Dr Irie inject Keichii with a Hallucinogen?

Answer 1: As an experiement because he is weird. This was my initial answer and my weak support would be that he is a strange guy since he is paedophillic and also suicidal (Tatarigoroshi-hen).

Answer 2: This answer is stronger and the support is found within Onikakushi-hen itself. Dr Irie made a MISTAKE and injected Keichii with the wrong medicine. He subsequently sent some men in a van to kill Keichii but failed. In the end, he sent Mion and Rena as the "advance scout party" before his men because he knew the drug was taking effect. And true enough, Rena and Mion were killed.

Support for H-Theory 1: Rena

The loophole to this is that Rena behaved rather freakishly by going USOOODDAAA in episode 2 BEFORE Keichii was injected. My counter to this is that Rena behaved in a normal way a human being would behave when he/she is angry if u watch her carefully. She only started behaving NOT like a human being from episode 3 onwards.

Further support is drawn from Watanagashi-hen. From Watanagashi-hen we know that Rena is intelligent, caring and sane, and that Keichii was not injected by anything. Thus she is incapable behaving like a total and complete psycho as shown in episode 3 onwards.

Why did Rena become psycho? Well she didnt really become psycho, but was perceived as psycho by Keichii. I believe Keichii became more wary of Rena after all the information Oishii has been feeding him. This is quite a crucial event and I believe the timing is critical.

Support for the H-Theory 2: The needle

If you watch carefully, there is no blood in the rice after Keichii, apparently, bit into the needle. Also later, the needle could not be found. Thus the needle could not have existed.

Support for H-Theory 3: Stains on the wall

There were no stains at all when he went in to find the needle, even tho he made a big mess beforehand.

Counter/Loophole for H-Theory Support 2 and 3:

Keichii's mother could have came in to clean up the place. However note that she rushed off to Tokyo so this could not have happened. If Keichii cleaned up the place himself, I he would not have wondered where the needle was, as he would have already found it.

Support for H-Theory 4: Mion

This is added as I did not watch Meakashi-hen, coz I more or less wrote up this theory when watching episode 9. Support is drawn from Meakashi-hen. We know from Meakashi-hen that Mion is a kind and caring person, so it is not possible for her to become amazingly freakish as well.

Counter for H-Theory Support 4: Shion

Well it couldnt be Shion either because she doesnt know anything about the club activity I believe.

Onikakushi-hen H-theory RATIONAL Answer

Well from Keichii's eyes we see that he was held down by Rena and injected by Mion.

This is not possible. Support is drawn from Tatarigoroshi-hen. Rena has not shown signs of super-human strength at all. The only girl that has demonstrated this is Satoko. Also from Tatarigoroshi-hen, we can see that Keichii is a strong bastard capable of pumelling a man to death.

This event indicates the nearing of the final stage of the hallucingoen.

Why was Keichii being punished? Because he failed to complete the club activity homework given to him, but instead did something else to it.

How was Keichii punished? Well putting a syringe through his arm is really inconsistent with the kinds of punishment he has been getting.

Support is drawn from Onikakushi-hen episode 1. Mion was going to punish Keichii by drawing something on his face again. That's right, what Mion took out was not a syringe, it was a MARKER.

When Mion took off the cap from the "syringe", she was actually taking the cap off the marker.

This backed by how the police could not find a syringe in Keichii's room. This is juz a very random guess now, but i believe the manager searched Keichii's room and found some note at the back of the clock. Now the writer of Higurashi wants us to think that he removed the syringe, but since there's no syringe in the first place all he actually did was remove the middle part of the note that is a threat to him. If Keichii glued the marker to the back of the clock, the manager removed it for some reason which I cannot predict now.

Keichii beat Mion and Rena to death through fear of being injected.

Later, Keichii clawed his throat out because the drug was actually not a mere hallucinogen and had arrived at its final stages. He kept mumbling about Oyashiro-sama because the information was fed to his brain and distorted by the drug.

END OF H-THEORY

Note that the H-theory actually is a very good support theory to the point that Rika is somehow connected to the clinic and that Rika was the one who killed Tomitake. This is drawn from Meakashi-hen as well.

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2006-08-22, 13:23	Link #581
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	@ firelycan Up until now I thought Oyashiro-sama = godess... lol Q. Are we seing multiple stories or just one ? __________________

2006-08-23, 07:09	Link #583
felix sleepyhead Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: event horizon	@ Wanderer K1? Is this some mean name people use for Keiichi on the board @_@. How cruel. My Stupid Theory Himawiza is situated on volcanic vents. These strings of murders are just the latest pieces in a very big and bloody picture of Himawizas history. The volcanic vents produce poisonous gas that seeps out from the ground unnoticed. Contact with it can cause hallucinations and an increased sense of paranoia. While it affects everyone, children hint hint and/or people with a weak body and spirit (or that have had some recent traumatizing event to induce mental stress) will feel its effects. The gas increases the adrenalin in the blood and sharpens the senses, which leads to paranoia. The most serious effect occurs at night, when the body is usually stressed and awareness increases. Victims experience realistic nightmares where their worse fears come true before their eyes. They also loose their sense of reality. Hence even when they wake up they still mix some part of the dream world with reality. They are basically awake, because of the adrenaline in their blood, and yet half way to sleep walking. In such circumstances the subjects become violent and unsociable, which hides the fact that his body is suffering from the effects of the gas. The act of being "demoned away" is a folktale derived from the effect of the gas. Presumably the vents would build up pressure and in specific periods of time release it, most likely at 1 year difference, it's not surprising that the time period would coincide with the festival. Like most culture a festival to please the gods is usually help prior to or on the exact date when the people thought that the gods would be angry and great peril would befall upon them. (like strings of murders) Since the subjects are most vulnerable to the gas at night its very likely that Oyashiro-sama would come and sit at the window of their bed and whisper dark thoughts to them at that time, and all the hideous acts (like murders) would occur at night. The reasons why the strings of murders are so intense in the last years is probably because of the increasing build up of gas... a premonition for the finale. Anyway, the real world should be most of the scenes that occur in the middle of the day. or the scenes at night that appear in multiple arcs : like Rika's neck thing or Shion and Keiichis conversation or the story at the shack of fun & joy... stuff like that. Full dream world is when the scene seems to be exactly as the characters paranoia dictates... like for example when the villages chief and council act all cold at the news that someone violated their holy shit... uhh... I mean shack. (I'm not 100% sure but if I remember correctly at a meeting between Ooishi and Keiichi they made it evident that for most of the day the village chief wasn't even in Himawiza) another full dream could be when Keiichi meats Rena (with the cleaver) and is followed buy the goons and eventually gets hit by some bat. After it hits he wakes up with Rena and supposedly Mion by his side. (of course it could be backwards very easily... the hole scene where he kills them could be fake, since we see him in another arc being carried away on a stretcher as the only survivor after the big finale. My guess is that his father wants to reopen the dam project, and the goons want to use Keiichi as blackmail... Anyway... RealityDream moment... like for example when Keiichi wakes up (from what I just described above) that would be dream reality... as in there are elements of reality and things that he just imagines, like the syringe. I speculate that the actual time span between certain events is very short. What appears to be several days in the episode(s) could just be one day. Well I personally find it strange how Mion isn't suffering from hunger and is still (while depressed) all bright and shiny days. Other examples of "RealityDream" would be Mion-Onibaba conversation (for Shion) and definitely most of Renas evil moments (for Keiichi). I suspect that some of the things are just exaggerations of her actual words and some are completely fake. The completely fake ones (in Renas case) are most likely the ones where she doesn't repeat the last word. For example in the last example that I gave for the dream state (in the paragraph above), the one that happens in Ep4 when Rena is in school uniform with a machete, she never repeated the last word, not even once. Bla Bla Bla...... Ok that's it for my little theory... I think it about covers most of the events... except Rika... She's one of the most non-normal characters in the show... In Ep20 when she's walking with Shion, after Shion turns her back and says something like : "what's she up to ?" her face goes from cute to horror in a ghostly fashion... I'm not sure if that's an animation fluke or if its suppose to be like that. Anyway the premonition thing seems so supernatural its hard to figure out. Oh well, one thing that comes to mind about Rika is that she's probably the one who killed Satoshi. (maybe for revenge against Satoko) __________________

2006-08-25, 18:11	Link #585
Audity Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	From the end of the Curse Killing Chapter arc, Spoiler: Why was there suddenly a gas explosion thing that kills Keichi and 1000 people? Makes absolutely no sense to me. I know absolutely nothing about this series except from what I watched just from yesterday and today (1 - 20), so I just want to give my observations and perspective without reading any official information beforehand. It seems to me that the first arc was like a filler/introductory arc. The following arc "actually starts" the series. At the end of the 2nd arc, there's a horrible conclusion (fate-wise, not quality-wise). Then the 3rd one seems like a totally different scenario, but actually connects to the 5th arc in many ways -- the current arc being a different perspective of the 2nd arc. I can only wonder what the next arc is going to be like. I predict that it's going to focus on Rena, and be pretty much in a completely different scenario than any of the arcs thus far. Most everything's been explained by now, except the mysteries of Rena. Also, anyone know of any blooper-type material that's going to be released? This series simply reeks of quality blooper material, especially during the first few arcs where one can quite possibly get really confused why people keep disappearing and reappearing. That combined with and because characters' personalities change at so many points.

2006-08-26, 09:14	Link #588
imac2much Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Spoiler for TIPS questions - big spoilers for Meakashi, be warned!: In the later TIPs, who exactly is being referred to as Mion or Shion? I thought I recalled someone (kj I think?) saying in some post that the names shouldnt be changed again, so just call whoever has been known as Mion as Mion, and vice versa. However in the later epilogues, they say Shion is the one who died and loved Keiichi and Mion is the one who stabbed Keiichi and loved Satoshi. So let me get this clear about the TIPs.... Mion is the "real" Mion without the tatoo right? And Shion is the one who loves Keiichi?

2006-08-23, 00:37	Link #582
Wanderer Goat Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gnawing away at Rokkenjima	I found it quite interesting that Rena was apologising towards K1 back in Onikakushi-hen. Later she asks K1 if he'd ever had someone apologise to him over and over. Now, why would Rena face K1 and apologise when we know that her big thing in her past was to apologise to Oyashiro-sama? Does she think that K1 is Oyashiro-sama? Also, the first time I watched Tatarigoroshi-hen, K1's homicidal side just seemed... out of character (not to mention just plain stupid). I kind of felt like something more than his desire to protect Satoko was compelling him to do it. So, let me just throw the idea out there: What if Satoko's comment at the end of Tatarigoroshi-hen about K1 being possessed was right. Now, what if Rena in Onikakushi-hen was familiar with the Tatarigoroshi possession phenominon, (which is what happened to her before, and what happened to Satoshi) but was not familiar with whatever K1 was going through in Onikakushi-hen? What if she mistook K1's schizophrenia for the Tatarigoroshi possession/curse? Sure, as a theory, it's out there. But, heck, I'm sure the real answer is gonna be at least as weird as this.

2006-08-25, 19:25	Link #586
Shuin4 You faked all of it. Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 33	I don't know if this was posted yet, but I found a site that lists all the differences between the anime and the game (atleast up until episode 5). it even goes into detail on what the anime didn't say, like what actually happened when Rena attacked her friends at her old school in Onikakushi-hen. anyway, link: http://www.makenaidesuwayo.com/categ...ime/higurashi/

2006-08-26, 11:57	Link #590
imac2much Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Spoiler for Lostblue: Thanks for the clarifications, although I've read all those posts already (and they were very helpful and informative!). The only reason I'm confused is in one of kj's old posts (before it was edited), I think he stated to use the normal names of Mion and Shion as the viewers know them right now to stop confusion... but I'm guessing that restriction has been since removed? I understand that their names were switched from the very beginning, I just thought maybe the TIPs were going to be changed to use the normal names, but I guess I misunderstood something. Oh well, never mind me Thanks!

2006-08-28, 01:23	Link #592
actawesomee Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	hi all I'm new to these forums this is my first post. I want to know if someone will help me make an AMV using maxwell's silver hammer and higurashi together.

2006-08-30, 01:02	Link #594
Bloodseeker Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006	Seeing as how I can't make threads thanks to that stupid ass rule, I guess that I'll just put this here... Casey and Friends! (4kids Higurashi parody) "Casey's" girl-scream FTW! Last edited by Bloodseeker; 2006-08-30 at 01:14.

2006-08-31, 16:38	Link #595
Killer Loli baka desu Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 36	Who here has read Minagoroshi-hen? I was just wondering, since the anime goes only up to Tsumihoroboshi-hen, about whether Minagoroshi-hen has a logical answer for everything, a paranormal answer or a combination of both? i can't tell from the TIPS section alone + have not read Minagoroshi-hen

2006-08-31, 21:57	Link #597
Symmetry 安堵竜 Join Date: Aug 2006	Predictions for Tsumihoroboshi. Keichi was hallucinating a lot. I'm guessing the needle wasn't really there, the eye slits were imagined, and the demeaner and word choice of Rena were exagerated in his perception, adn that Rena was really afraid for/of him and trying to save him from what she had experienced earlier rather than trying to hurt him. Since Wikipedia predicts a happyish ending, Keichi will end up being saved after Mion and Rena manage to inject him with the antidote they got from either Rika or the Doctor.

2006-09-01, 11:40	Link #599
NykylaiHellray Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	What I am still trying to figure out, is what is Keichii? In my eyes most supernatural stuff can be explained, yet then he comes along in that one chapter, wishing people dead, and surprise surprise them dying. Whether this is concidence is debatetable, yet in the tips the interviewer dies the way keichi cursed him =/..... I am also still wondering if the parrel universes are touching each other after seperating =/ is the parrel universe thing more important then we believe?

2006-09-01, 12:25	Link #600
dKiWi Devoted Haruhiist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 36	I'm gona post my rational theory for Onikakushi/Tsumihoroboshi-hen here, which I believe I posted in a previous thread before it got deleted. Credit goes to kj for tipping me as well as everyone off for the marker cross syringe picture that it is a big hint. I got this theory lying around my anime blog since I watched episode 9 I believe, so I'm gona re-write the whole thing here after watching Meakashi-hen. I have not touched Tsumihoroboshi-hen yet, even tho the raw is out. I'll try to be as complete as possible, so expect a long post. Onikakushi-hen Episode Analysis The function of Episode 1: Episode 1 is easily dismissed as an introductory chapter. However it should not be dismissed as it contains a crucial event that ANSWERS the HUGE question in Episode 4! Of course after HEAVY support from other question and answer arcs. I will say it again in bold: ONIKAKUSHI-HEN EPISODE 1 ANSWERS ONIKAKUSHI-HEN EPISODE 4! The function of Episode 2: Episode 2 functions as a counter-check for the Hallucinogen theory for Rena's case. Function of Episode 3: Episode 3 is an introduction to the manner the main bulk of questions will be be asked in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Function of Episode 4: This episode shoots questions at the viewer like bullets from an MG and is heavily narrative towards the end. Solving these questions is crucial to solving the mysteries behind Onikakushi-hen. Main theory: The Hallucinogen Theory Main point for H-THeory: At the beginning of episode 3 Keichii was injected by Dr Irie for a "cold". This is strange, as the average patient would be given pills or syrup. Moreover, Keichii was more or less faking the cold to avoid Rena for the day. I believe the drug injected contained a hallucinogen. Notice that everything only went haywire after he was injected. Digression H-Theory Question 1: Why would Dr Irie inject Keichii with a Hallucinogen? Answer 1: As an experiement because he is weird. This was my initial answer and my weak support would be that he is a strange guy since he is paedophillic and also suicidal (Tatarigoroshi-hen). Answer 2: This answer is stronger and the support is found within Onikakushi-hen itself. Dr Irie made a MISTAKE and injected Keichii with the wrong medicine. He subsequently sent some men in a van to kill Keichii but failed. In the end, he sent Mion and Rena as the "advance scout party" before his men because he knew the drug was taking effect. And true enough, Rena and Mion were killed. Support for H-Theory 1: Rena The loophole to this is that Rena behaved rather freakishly by going USOOODDAAA in episode 2 BEFORE Keichii was injected. My counter to this is that Rena behaved in a normal way a human being would behave when he/she is angry if u watch her carefully. She only started behaving NOT like a human being from episode 3 onwards. Further support is drawn from Watanagashi-hen. From Watanagashi-hen we know that Rena is intelligent, caring and sane, and that Keichii was not injected by anything. Thus she is incapable behaving like a total and complete psycho as shown in episode 3 onwards. Why did Rena become psycho? Well she didnt really become psycho, but was perceived as psycho by Keichii. I believe Keichii became more wary of Rena after all the information Oishii has been feeding him. This is quite a crucial event and I believe the timing is critical. Support for the H-Theory 2: The needle If you watch carefully, there is no blood in the rice after Keichii, apparently, bit into the needle. Also later, the needle could not be found. Thus the needle could not have existed. Support for H-Theory 3: Stains on the wall There were no stains at all when he went in to find the needle, even tho he made a big mess beforehand. Counter/Loophole for H-Theory Support 2 and 3: Keichii's mother could have came in to clean up the place. However note that she rushed off to Tokyo so this could not have happened. If Keichii cleaned up the place himself, I he would not have wondered where the needle was, as he would have already found it. Support for H-Theory 4: Mion This is added as I did not watch Meakashi-hen, coz I more or less wrote up this theory when watching episode 9. Support is drawn from Meakashi-hen. We know from Meakashi-hen that Mion is a kind and caring person, so it is not possible for her to become amazingly freakish as well. Counter for H-Theory Support 4: Shion Well it couldnt be Shion either because she doesnt know anything about the club activity I believe. Onikakushi-hen H-theory RATIONAL Answer Well from Keichii's eyes we see that he was held down by Rena and injected by Mion. This is not possible. Support is drawn from Tatarigoroshi-hen. Rena has not shown signs of super-human strength at all. The only girl that has demonstrated this is Satoko. Also from Tatarigoroshi-hen, we can see that Keichii is a strong bastard capable of pumelling a man to death. This event indicates the nearing of the final stage of the hallucingoen. Why was Keichii being punished? Because he failed to complete the club activity homework given to him, but instead did something else to it. How was Keichii punished? Well putting a syringe through his arm is really inconsistent with the kinds of punishment he has been getting. Support is drawn from Onikakushi-hen episode 1. Mion was going to punish Keichii by drawing something on his face again. That's right, what Mion took out was not a syringe, it was a MARKER. When Mion took off the cap from the "syringe", she was actually taking the cap off the marker. This backed by how the police could not find a syringe in Keichii's room. This is juz a very random guess now, but i believe the manager searched Keichii's room and found some note at the back of the clock. Now the writer of Higurashi wants us to think that he removed the syringe, but since there's no syringe in the first place all he actually did was remove the middle part of the note that is a threat to him. If Keichii glued the marker to the back of the clock, the manager removed it for some reason which I cannot predict now. Keichii beat Mion and Rena to death through fear of being injected. Later, Keichii clawed his throat out because the drug was actually not a mere hallucinogen and had arrived at its final stages. He kept mumbling about Oyashiro-sama because the information was fed to his brain and distorted by the drug. END OF H-THEORY Note that the H-theory actually is a very good support theory to the point that Rika is somehow connected to the clinic and that Rika was the one who killed Tomitake. This is drawn from Meakashi-hen as well.