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Old 2014-12-26, 19:59   Link #301
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And Sai, as god, arranges for Junko to be raped and murdered. Like, what the hell?
Hence the new continuity they start. All the bad shit won't happen there because Sai and the law of identity girl will prevent that in the new universe.
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Old 2014-12-29, 05:42   Link #302
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Well... this is the second time that I know in which a manga remedied a terrible LN ending that fell flat with the fans (Kämpfer was the first).

For me, I'll consider this the very satisfying canon ending to a very enjoyable show
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Old 2014-12-29, 07:27   Link #303
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I haven't read the LN, but I thought Junko died in acid rain. Why would Sai Akuto have her raped and murdered?
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Old 2014-12-29, 07:57   Link #304
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I haven't read the LN, but I thought Junko died in acid rain. Why would Sai Akuto have her raped and murdered?
He was playing God... making and unmaking the world to try to find a "story" that satisfied him. So, yeah, he went there.
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Old 2014-12-29, 08:02   Link #305
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I haven't read the LN, but I thought Junko died in acid rain. Why would Sai Akuto have her raped and murdered?
Actually, after her, all humankind dies lol. They go to the afterlife, where they continue living there. When Akuto gets tired of living in that "cage", where people didn't get old or died, he started to try making new universes and creating stories for those said universes. That's where the murder and rape come from. It was a try and error process. Or like the guy above said, he was literally playing God.

It's really a pain explaining all that shit. I would recommend that's better for you to read the LN to understand more but, I better not, trust me.
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Old 2014-12-29, 08:26   Link #306
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The ridiculous atrocity that the final LN was simply didn't happen. The manga ending is the true ending. I'm sure that 99% of the DaiMaou fans knowing both would agree.
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Old 2015-02-07, 17:11   Link #307
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It doesn't so much deviate as stop a lot earlier.



The worst is that all that stuff about "stories" and "Law of Identity" appeared early, so it was pretty much always how it was supposed to be. He meant to pull those bullshit moves.
Actually if I understand it right the author actually took a very long break while doing the last couple volumes (enough to make a project that should have taken 3 years to do to take about 6) and apparently he went into it seeing how far he could go. So he wrote in the idea of a "story" and the "law" stuff but he hadn't actually decided where to go with it all.

Then at the end he just went "fuck it" and we got.....that.

I'm really upset now because if I accept the manga as the real end that means Yoshie doesn't exist and a lot of awesome stuff that happened that the manga never shows never happens. So I want everything up to about volume 10 to be real but then there is the last bit that just sucks so hard!
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Old 2015-02-07, 17:37   Link #308
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Yeah, but it was always about solipsism, sort of. Even in retrospect, I don't see how the story could be salvaged and still keep those elements. Sure, he didn't have to put all those murders in. But it wouldn't have changed much even if he hadn't.
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Old 2015-02-07, 18:20   Link #309
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Yeah, but it was always about solipsism, sort of. Even in retrospect, I don't see how the story could be salvaged and still keep those elements. Sure, he didn't have to put all those murders in. But it wouldn't have changed much even if he hadn't.
There were plenty of ways to salvage the story. Like instead of going all "extra dimension world creator" on us just keep the idea as a question "does reality really exist" just like it is in the real world and keep the main focus on the war and stuff. have Akuto stop it, have the formless power disappear so that it can't be used for evil, and have Akuto Marry his harem outside of heaven.

Originally the story was more focused on getting people to look past the story that they created themselves and living their own lives. It didn't need to go all "The world literally doesn't even truely exist and is part of a story made by god like beings" it could have just stayed with the idea of Akuto trying to find a way to live in peace in a world that labels him as the demon king.
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Old 2015-02-07, 18:22   Link #310
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The ridiculous atrocity that the final LN was simply didn't happen. The manga ending is the true ending. I'm sure that 99% of the DaiMaou fans knowing both would agree.
The problem is the Manga ends a bit too soon and misses a lot of great events the LN covered. So accepting the Manga end as the true end means letting go of all the other stuff I liked before that ending.
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Old 2015-02-08, 04:50   Link #311
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There were plenty of ways to salvage the story. Like instead of going all "extra dimension world creator" on us just keep the idea as a question "does reality really exist" just like it is in the real world and keep the main focus on the war and stuff. have Akuto stop it, have the formless power disappear so that it can't be used for evil, and have Akuto Marry his harem outside of heaven.
Leaving the problem of the "Law of Identity" completely untouched.
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Old 2015-02-08, 08:31   Link #312
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Leaving the problem of the "Law of Identity" completely untouched.
The earlier chapter simply explained the law of Identity as a being who joined with the demon king to destroy the world in a ritual. Just leave it at that and say the "Law of Identity" is simply a powerful being almost like an angel or something.

Again no need to go all extra dimensional on us and have the Law be the writer of the story itself.

Plus while we all hate the ending as a whole was anyone else particularly bothered by the fact that in the end Akuto did EXACTLY what he said he wouldn't do way back in the first arc? Bouchiro said Akuto would destroy the world and allow the gods to ascend to another plane and take humanity with them as Data. The whole point of that arc was that still required the people there to die so it was considered not a good option.

But in the end he just goes and does it anyway. It really shows how the author really did not know what he was doing (He said in his afterwords of 13 he was pretty much making it as he went along). Having a mind fuck of an ending is bad enough. But having an ending where the MC does exactly what the first arc was all about stopping makes it all even worse.
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