2012-02-25, 15:28 | Link #7121 | |
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Another thing i wanted to say that all characters in the manga show development ,besides Medaka. Srsly reread the manga i couldnt tell u the diference betwen the current one and the one in chapter 1, while Zenkichi changed the most and especially in last chapters. "he could've achieved a normal level of happiness." dude srsly there are no levels of happiness, its relative different for every1. As showed in manga the actually abnormals lack the happiness or in Medaka case i dont really think she ever experienced it. Without ever meating her Zenkichi could have probably achieved happines far easier than he is doin it now. Remember Zenkichi was not special, but under the normals he was elite, he could even gotten pro at boxin or other sports but he didnt cuz he wanted to devote himself to Medaaka and his love for her.And yea Zenkichi gave Medaka a reason tolive, its clearly pointed in the manga and that is far more than she has givven him in return , if she has given him anything. Kumagawa...Well for me he is more the tragic character who somehow managed to change and ,as pointed in manga, is gettin happier and happier, which is of course a positive thing. But on other side Zenkichi is right too , cuz in real life u cant just forgive people for doin all those horrible things and act tomorow like it was nothing.But u know due to Kumagawa's personality nothing can suprise u from him... The most puzling character of course stays Medaka and in some chapters she really behaved even worser than Kumagawa when he was the bad guy.She is neither good nor evil but something betwen.I just cant read her, even Najimu is somehow les complicated than her. |
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2012-02-25, 15:41 | Link #7122 | ||
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He tends to lie a lot and you never know what he's really thinking. Which is why it's pretty foolish to allign with him. Medaka can handle him because she knows regardless of what he does he won't even be able to sour her victories. Quote:
Competition is not in herently bad, the fact of the matter is Zen hung around Medaka because he was in love with her, that's pretty much it, if he wasn't he'd probably would of just have gone around helping people that wanted it while not helping people that didn't. Because his reason for hanging around her was because of this it was inevitable he would either try to win her heart or move on. This was always going to happen and it needs to happen for Medaka and Zenkichi personal welfare, the longer this shit drags out the more effort spent in Zenkichi's case on a pointless goal. This is why it may seem like she's being naive for doing what she's doing she's looking at it from her perspective and not looking at it from Zen's and Medaka's perspective. The Irony is both Zen and Medaka understand this whole situation better than she does which is why Zen had to tell her what to do. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2012-02-25 at 15:56. |
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Plus we're not saying Kikaijima can't chase her own goals; which seems to be what you're reading from these replies but mostly because you also seem to believe everyone should all be unified in thinking and action. We're just saying she's stupid/naive.
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2012-02-25, 21:47 | Link #7125 |
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Even medaka said first oriantation was abaut cyborg girl not holding back , it wasnt abaut friendship at all any you are denying medaka yourself . Also medaka destroyed power of friendship by beating all schoolin the festival what the hell are you talking abaut , you only see what you want to see .
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Why isn't Medaka part of the band, working together with the rest of the SC to put on an awesome performance? Precisely, it's because Zenkichi is trying to prove some other point about how they could do it better without her. As a consequence of that, Kikaijima was pushed into a high pressure individual spotlight position. Quote:
(You ask if Medaka supported Zen or protected him from bullies, but in fact during their early childhood/elementary school period Medaka actually was Zen's "knight in shining armour". Refer to the flashback during Zenkichi's first fight against Munakata if you can't remember it. Later on in the arc, we see a hint of this former behaviour between them when Medaka reassures Zen when he starts shaking after meeting Kumagawa.) Quote:
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2012-02-25, 23:06 | Link #7127 | |
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2012-02-25, 23:27 | Link #7128 | |
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2012-02-26, 01:08 | Link #7129 | |
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Zenkichi told Medaka that he was gonna keep on working with the SC peacefully. It was Medaka who initiated the fight in the first place, even though Zen had no intention of violence. That's why he let her beat him up. Now, before you start arguing that it was because he was too weak, let me state that her Forsaken God Mode auto-downgrades her abilities to lower/equal to her opponents. In other words, Zenkichi could have beaten her. The only reason he could have sustained so many injuries while Medaka remained perfectly fine would be if he didn't want to fight back. Yeah, but you can't prove if they did protest against the fight either. You can't use the absence of evidence as evidence. Although, judging by Kumagawa and Akune's lines before the fight, "It's impossible to stop them...we can only let this play out," it can be assumed that they didn't do anything to try and stop it.
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2012-02-26, 01:24 | Link #7130 |
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Sol, you can think of it as whatever you want, the same way you can rationalise how Kikaijima is really fighting for equality and friendship and Kumagawa isn't a huge troll. I mean, if you can rationalise that, you can rationalise anything. Me, I have better things to do than to argue with someone who would only look at things through 1 POV. Other people have stated in this thread pretty much what I've said as well and you just parrot your same phrases over and over again. Maybe you think that's a worthwhile use of your time but I rather not argue with a parrot.
And I agree with what Terizent said as well. I've stopped fights before by stepping in between them and I've had people who said 'oh, they shouldn't have fought cause they're friends. i wanted to stop them' but DIDN'T frigging step in and guess what, I despise the latter type of people because they're only good at talking crap instead of doing what they mean, like most people nowadays. And that's what we call hypocrites.
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2012-02-26, 01:35 | Link #7131 |
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Abaut stepping in i must talk , i have stepped in a few fights before in my life but if you are not confident in your power you should avoid stepping in . Let me tell you why no one stepped in there answer is simple actually , when your leader bully a weak person you dont step in . Everyone thinks medaka is the leader so no one tried to stop her when she beat the hell out of zenkichi , all zenkichi did was point his wiev ( even if he admitted he was wrong ) and if we beat everyone who ooposes us there , we cant find one person to get along . Why didnt medaka talked zenkichi and asked what changed his mind ? simple cause medaka has no empathy and cant read the mood .
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If you want to ask why nobody stepped in while Zenkichi was getting beat up, why don't you consider the possibility that they didn't even have the chance to? If Zenkichi truly didn't fight back, Medaka wouldn't even have needed 15 seconds to do that amount of damage. After all, Forsaken God Mode is for the purpose of "not holding back". You guys imagining there was a fight even long enough to intervene in goes against why Nishio/Akatsuki's didn't show it in the story. Quote:
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2012-02-26, 02:48 | Link #7133 |
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Yes, because whenever characters say something, it must absolutely be true -_- And whenever the mangaka never shows something, it must be in favor of your arguments. And there's an invisible dragon living under your bed, just that you can't see it cause it's invisible. Like most of your arguments. It's barely 1 step above the fanfiction kenjtr likes writing.
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2012-02-26, 06:46 | Link #7135 |
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I question everyone whose words don't match up with their actions. This includes people who fight wars for 'world peace', people who want to make other people happy by beating them and countless other shounen cliches.
And I must be wrong if everyone else in this thread so far is coming out to rebut me, oh wait, they're rebutting you -_- I wonder what that means. I guess everyone else is wrong too
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2012-02-26, 12:45 | Link #7136 | |
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I hardly see the support pouring out for you when nobody bothered to rebut my rebuttal of all your major arguments. You decided instead to nitpick an irrelevant side point that doesn't even support your primary argument (I thought you were trying to say that Kikaijima is "stupid/naive", not that she's a hypocrite), and the only "support" you managed to dredge up with that was from kenjtr and another self-confessed Zenkichi-fanboy. |
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TBF I'm not even sure if Kikajaima was really even against the fight at the time, since her reaction to it with Medaka afterwards was why didn't she hold back rather than why they were fighting, and she even remarks half smiling after Medaka said that she did hold back that Zenkichi didn't have any potential to beat her, which aren't exactly the words of someone who only cared about stopping the fight.
I think she only really started to care about stopping the fight after Kumagawa spoke to her, before she was just unhappy with the situation. Much like Zenkichi is doing with her right now. She's simply too easily played and manipulated, which is probably why some people don't take her convictions seriously. |
2012-02-26, 14:22 | Link #7138 |
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I think from the first chapter of this manga author gave us hints that medaka and zenkichi will clash one day , zenkichi didnt wanted to be with medaka but he did why ? because he loved her thats all simple . To me it looked zenkichi had given up on her then but medaka without noticing his feelings dragged him and burned his old fire . Even in minakojis case zenkichi dint have much hope he just desperately watched medaka falling for another guy , medaka didnt stopped there she put lots of guys near her who are more capable then zenkichi and pushed him abyss of hell . Last nail to the coffin was , she just got bored from him and wanted to get rid of him .
Zenkichi who pushed to the corner couldnt taken it anymore and wanted to comfort her because he wanted her to understand his feelings , which resulted medaka beating him up . zenkichi wasnt angry there cause medaka hit him , he was angry cause he understood medaka doesnt see and care for him at all . Kikajima wants zenkichi stay the way he is which will make him suffer more , no one can stay near the girl he loved when he knows she will never love him . Yes if things stay the way it is kikajima may be happy but both zenkichi and medaka will suffer , is it good to build your happiness on suffering of others ? |
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