Macross Frontier (Macross 25) general discussion [No Spoilers]

[ChronoReverse]

Yeah, it's probably like the old VF5000 serving as interim until the 19 finally gets scaled up. Right now the 19 would probably be like what the 17 used to be (for elite teams) while the 25 is the new 19/21 bleeding edge tech.

[hai_san]

interesting to see then how many "new" VF types will be introduces perhaps they will pop up a VF 29 XXX Prototype later in the serie

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by dodgethis_sg

Yes, it will start airing only in April. And note that this broadcast is almost 27 mins with only an ED. A normal TV broadcast is 24 mins with both OP and ED includued.

Like other Shouji Kawamori series in Escaflowne and Aquarion (after flicking through the first ep to make sure I feel like finishing this sometime soon...) you probably won't see a OP in the first episode. IIRC Arjuna also didn't have an OP in its first episode.

[GreatTeacherKen]

This series looks very promising. Animation is incredibly gorgeous for a TV series, music is good, and the battle scene was intense. Hopefully, it'll be able to keep it up even though the Macross franchise overall is kind of hit or miss for me.

[W.C.]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

Oh yeah, love seeing the MACROSS PLUS robotic fighters, Ghost X-9 successors i suspect.

Ghosts have been part of Macross since the beginning, used mostly for fleet/fixed defense and force multipliers with Valkyrie squadrons. It's just a generic codename for any unmanned fighter. The only things that made the X-9 significant were that some moron came up with the idea of completely replacing Valkyries with them so they wouldn't need/lose pilots, and actually had a pretty smart idea of giving the AI a serious upgrade.

The Frontier version is probably based on some of the technology from the X-9 but probably doesn't have the Sharon Apple AI which would have beat that lousy jamming, or at least not crashed into each other like drunks. It's like the Frontier fleet only kept the really dumb ideas and mothballed all the good ones.

Also did anyone notice that funky bio-organic chaff those aliens were spitting out? That plus the jammer makes me think they've run into humans before and developed more efficient countermeasures for human weaponry. Afterall if you're a bug would you ever in your dreams think up a jammer to screw up Ghosts and missiles when they have no comparable technological base.

The fact that they were expected leads me to believe that the government knew exactly what happened to the Megaroad-01 and never told the public. I think they are using the Frontier and Galaxy fleets to test the enemy's capabilities and give them enough information to make a decision on whether they should abandon expansion into the core and stick to their current region of space. The core could act as a major hub between the more distant spiral arms if they could take it. That alone would be worth the risk of two fleets.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by W.C.

The Frontier version is probably based on some of the technology from the X-9 but probably doesn't have the Sharon Apple AI which would have beat that lousy jamming, or at least not crashed into each other like drunks. It's like the Frontier fleet only kept the really dumb ideas and mothballed all the good ones.

Oh yes, because you know, loading AI that mind controlled thousands, took over SDF-1, and revolted against humans, on mass-produced military units is an excellent idea. ........For suicide, that is.

I think there's a clear reason why they "nerfed" AI instead of using sentient AI like Sharon Apple.

[Onizuka-GTO]

hey, no one really answered my question,. what improvements do you think the Vf-25 has?

And it certainly has some similarities to the VF-19 in the way it transforms and conexts at th middle, but the unique way it folds the wings in battroid mode is interesting.

At the same time the wing shape has the diamond taped look of the VF-22.

YET. it still looks genetically closer to the VF-1.....

dunno how they managed that.... :O

oh, and those FAST/SUPER-PACK were definitely designed to anticipate this attack noticed they were more for speed then for armour.

They knew the enemy was fast, but not that fast.

but the concerning thing was the fact that the rifle fire just...BOUNCED off the red armour thing, and that was at close range!

considering the beige ones were easily shot down while in fighter mode, which they use the same cannon-pods, that red one needs some serious anti-armour rounds to get though that one.

oh my previous post, didn't mean to suggest the weapons it had on it, was the same, or equal to Macross SDF-1, just saying the red enemies weapon is working on the same principle.

put a battleship class weapon on a ship 1/4th it's size and let it go. or in this case, almost 1/6 i think,

seriously, those destroyers/frigates are big. even if you took perspective of the scene, i estimate, those destroyers/frigates were 1/3th the size of those elongated habitat ships (those ship follow behind the main colony city ship)

seriously, compared to the red enemy bloke, those ships are big.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

hey, no one really answered my question,. what improvements do you think the Vf-25 has?

IT LOOKS MUCHAS KEWLER.


Sorry, that's the only thing that mattered to me, so never even gave it a thought.

[DragoonKain3]

Actually, didn't the original have a love square? IIRC, Minmay's cousin made the fourth side of the square. Seven had the biker girl with Basara and Mylene had her groom to be that was chosen by her mom right? Plus had the three friends, with Megumi Hayashibara's character making up the fourth. It was only in Zero that broke the tradition by having only a love triangle, and considering I expect Frontier to be long, I wouldn't be surprised if the series went back to its roots with a male being interested in either Ranka or Sheryl. So yeah, I think a love square is imminent in Frontier, but probably like the original series we won't know till (much?) later.

But to be fair, the fourth side usually is a relatively minor character; being less important than the triangle three but has more impact on the plot than most other minor characters.

[W.C.]

Originally Posted by aohige

Oh yes, because you know, loading AI that mind controlled thousands, took over SDF-1, and revolted against humans, on mass-produced military units is an excellent idea. ........For suicide, that is.

I think there's a clear reason why they "nerfed" AI instead of using sentient AI like Sharon Apple.

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

But really that would have been ideal, to have one control unit directing each squadron of Ghosts. I blame the programmers and the sys admin for that screw up.

[Cadorna]

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

seriously, those destroyers/frigates are big. even if you took perspective of the scene, i estimate, those destroyers/frigates were 1/3th the size of those elongated habitat ships (those ship follow behind the main colony city ship)

No, see the begining of the ep where sheryl arrive (there is a carrier with tree escort ships)the size is a lest 1/5 or less than a carrier(1500 m /4,950 ft) , they are frigate class ship.

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by hai_san

interesting to see then how many "new" VF types will be introduces perhaps they will pop up a VF 29 XXX Prototype later in the serie

There'll probably be very little. The Macross shows have always been much more focused on the characters than on the mecha, so there's usually very little in the way of newly introduced super-machines. In SDF Macross, all we got was the occasionally upgraded VF-1; the Macross Plus prototypes were very much treated as prototypes; Macross 7 only saw the VF-22s, but they're just limited production versions of the YF-21 (unless you really want to count the Sound Force and the Jamming Birds); and the VF-0s in Macross Zero were there from the get-go.

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

hey, no one really answered my question,. what improvements do you think the Vf-25 has?

If we were to speculate based on the previous shows, the VF-25 mostly has superior speed/maneuverability, better FAST packs, and the like. Macross technological advancements tend to be refinements and improvements on previous technologies, rather than any radical changes (save for the Sound Force and the like).

Originally Posted by Onizuka-GTO

oh my previous post, didn't mean to suggest the weapons it had on it, was the same, or equal to Macross SDF-1, just saying the red enemies weapon is working on the same principle.

put a battleship class weapon on a ship 1/4th it's size and let it go. or in this case, almost 1/6 i think

The main gun on the red alien is probably the most powerful we've seen on any small craft unless you count reaction/nuclear warheads and Protodevilin. However, we've only seen it take out smaller capital ships, and with the help of secondary explosions at that. It's a little premature to call it a battleship-class weapon. I suspect that the only thing that can threaten larger Macross warships will be other warships or other huge weapons.

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

But to be fair, the fourth side usually is a relatively minor character; being less important than the triangle three but has more impact on the plot than most other minor characters.

Precisely. In each of the preceding Macross shows, the love triangle is extremely prominent. Generally, the fourth member serves as a catalyst for the triangle more than he/she is a serious romantic rival. Even Lynn Kaifun isn't a particularly serious candidate.

[Cadorna]

well , i just see the ep 02 advance and they going to remake the scene where hikaru save minmay in the valky

[Animehunt]

Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

Decent? From the looks of it, it could be another epic season, especially if the fall schedule's unexpected surprises were any indication. I think the next season has more to look forward to actually, though I'd rather not waste time going over which of them actually sound real good to me.

As for Geass and Macross, let's just say both shows are in good hands. No major staff/writer changes, and very reliable directors. Yes, the scenario man in Macross F, the guy who did the scenario for Gundam Seed, Mai Hime and Mai Otome, I have high praise of him even if the shows themselves may not be perfect. I expect nothing less of Macross F in terms of pacing.


PS- I just watched the HD version of Macross Frontier.... and it is AMAZING! The colors are bolder and the details, my god the details. I wish Shinsen or whatever group that does it starts from HD version from the getgo if possible. This is one of those new anime that really ought to be watched in higher definition. Anime... HD.. whodathunkit.

Yeah, Macross Frontier looks astonishingly good in HD 1280*720p.
I sure they will look for boardcasts in HD then it starts some of the subbing groups.
But after I compared Seyian looks bad & subs looks also boring to Shinsens-Subs much better subbing.
Still it wasn't HD & TV-Japan happens to have released a very good looking 1280*720p version.
Last stone cleared was then Shinsen-Subs wouldn't do what they did called an upscale version.
So Shinsen-Subs translation & TV-Japan raws a winner combination.
The outcome so good as it can be with soft aegisubs (the two song parts suffered).
The picture qualitet of this release was to good to keep & not sharing with all the Macross Fans. So it out & I havn't heard from Shinsens complain yet

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

And thanks for SA for the HD subs. Fight scenes were awesome beyond compare...

Yes, they are really awesome all fight scenes.
Well we won't take all the credit for this work at StaticAnime.net = SA.
Translation was coming from Shinsen-Subs.

[ssfsx17]

Wouldn't it be funny if the love triangle was that Ranka was in love with both Alto and Sheryl because of how beautiful they are?

[KiNA]

Shit .. it started? O_O

I'm late to the party .. again ...

[Radd]

Originally Posted by Kira_Naruto

Shit .. it started? O_O

I'm late to the party .. again ...

Not quite. The series does not actually begin until April. This first episode, which will apparently be different from the version that will kick off the actual series start, was shown as part of an hour long Macross 25th anniversary special, since the anniversary was this year, not 2008.

[hobbes_fan]

Extremely disappointing. Musical score was quite poor. I despise the transformation sequence. goddamn bishies. Looks like another watch only series that I'll barely watch to episode 13. My oh my how far this franchise has fallen. I'm feeling that this is more Gundam 00 shenanigans all over again. I'm starting to think I should forget anything that happenned after mac + ever happenned.

[Aquifina]

I have vague memories of Robotech as a kid, but am fairly new to the franchise. So that's my perspective, I suppose; I, for one, was quite impressed. The animation and overall look of the show was gorgeous, and, so far, I like the characters. The music I wasn't awed by, but I didn't mind it. I think I liked the Ed most. Ranka was cute and sweet, without being overly saccharine, and Alto, although a bit grumpy, seems like a good guy, so far. Killing off that likable pilot that early also showed some gumption on the part of the writers, but again, the only other mecha anime I've watched regularly was Gundam 00 (disliked the little bit of Gundam SEED I've seen)--this looks *much* better than that IMO.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by hobbes_fan

Extremely disappointing. Musical score was quite poor. I despise the transformation sequence. goddamn bishies. Looks like another watch only series that I'll barely watch to episode 13. My oh my how far this franchise has fallen. I'm feeling that this is more Gundam 00 shenanigans all over again. I'm starting to think I should forget anything that happenned after mac + ever happenned.

That's pretty harsh, and this is not even real 1st episode. Also you have Mylene as your avator, so I am guessing you liked Macross 7, and let's be honest Macross 7 it was a great show but the beginning of the show was mediocre at best. So this is really early to judge this show and the whole franchise in general base on this one episode.