2010-01-21, 14:52 | Link #1102 | |
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I want to stress: A deliberate killing is murder. Whether they think it's helping people or not. If soandso is not a murderer in an episode, they can't be the killer no matter their justification unless the justification was self-defense or some other fully justified thing. In other words, I personally do not believe anyone can kill anyone else and get around red text like that except in the case of accidental killings or self-defense. But as I've said many times, I have no clue what the author intends us to believe "murder" to mean. |
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2010-01-21, 14:57 | Link #1103 | |
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Heh heh... That sounds kinda fun actually. Edit: Ninja'd... Last edited by Raiza Sunozaki; 2010-01-21 at 14:59. Reason: Specifications and Ninja'd |
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2010-01-21, 15:04 | Link #1104 |
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There is another problem with the Kumasawa and Nanjo theory.All unrecognizable corpses have their ... Guaranteed. Sorry, can't remember that one word.
I'm pretty sure it means that if there's no way to identify the corpse through facial recognition, it is that person then. Therefore, the murder of Natsuhi is impossible for Kumasawa and Nanjo, as they were in the parlour (dead or apparently dead) when she was shot. |
2010-01-21, 15:19 | Link #1105 |
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Does it count as self-defense if the killer is tricked into thinking the victim is the culprit?
There was a bit in Episode 2 that struck me as really weird at the time. During the Fake Kanon scene, Fake Kanon tried to convince the people in the kitchen that Rosa had attacked him. Obviously that was a fantasy scene, but the detail about Rosa being accused never came out in the story the servants told later, and Rosa has an alibi from Battler during that time period. So what was the purpose of showing it? |
2010-01-21, 15:23 | Link #1106 | |
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Also, this should probably move to the Spoilers & Speculations thread, as it is having increasingly less to do with ep6 and increasingly more to do with theories. |
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2010-01-21, 16:19 | Link #1107 |
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Hey guys. I'm kind of new here but after I was reading theses and thinking about my own but I want to hear some of your opinions about this:
Spoiler for My thoughs on the culprit:
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2010-01-21, 18:40 | Link #1108 | |
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As for the bomb - it kills only the people who last to the 10th twilight. It's actually interesting when you realize that the game always ends with someone in the mansion. EP 1 - All four cousins were in the mansion EP 2 - Battler was in the mansion, while Rosa and Maria were seen running out. EP 3 - Jessica was left in the mansion, but Eva went to the Kuwadorian. Remember that everyone was dead but Eva and Jessica at the moment Battler died. Eva shouldn't have known Jessica was there, so who killed Jessica if everyone else was dead? EP 4 - The final riddle means that Battler was killed by something inhuman. EP 5 - If everyone stood in the mansion watching Natsuhi then they would be killed by the bomb. |
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2010-01-21, 19:08 | Link #1111 |
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I believe Ryukishi said that even with the game suspension, players who know the truth can figure out what happens after Hideyoshi's death. Since guessing the order of the following twilights is practically guesswork, I think he was referencing to the existence of the end-all event (the explosion suggestion that is often mentioned in this topic).
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2010-01-22, 08:01 | Link #1112 |
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Btw I'm glad it is finally settled (is it? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if someone still disagreed) that some kind of disasters happens at the end of October 5 that kills all survivors, and that it isn't true that in EP5 almost everyone survives and go back home (same with EP6).
I remember how many times since EP4 I had to argue with people about what I considered evidences that it is common knowledge in 1998 that the Mansion (and probably the guesthouse as well) was gone for good in that "unfortunate accident".
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2010-01-22, 08:14 | Link #1113 | |
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It was in red, after the credit.
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2010-01-22, 08:55 | Link #1115 | |
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Why was it recycled? Have you seen it in EP3, EP5? If it was just a screenshot with no particular meaning, why a gunshot sound was accompanied?
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2010-01-22, 09:11 | Link #1116 |
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It's the screen that says
"when the seagulls cry no one is left alive" right? Well it's a red screen with white text if that's the one. I don't think it counts as red text, anyway the file name is "Ep2_text"
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2010-01-22, 21:42 | Link #1118 | |
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with the thinking that battler never was on the island so 16 ppl works out what if battler never went to the conference and in some sick game the culprit is trying to make battler figure out the ep 1 and 2 letters before time runs out on the second day and everyone dies. idk sounded better in my head |
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2010-01-24, 16:09 | Link #1119 |
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Maybe somebody already mentioned this, but I just finished reading Jessica's trial, and something's bugging me.
Kyrie said that she was released from her hell of regret after 18 years, because she finally gained the absolute will to kill Asumu. But that doesn't make sense. Asumu died six years ago, so shouldn't she only have been waiting for 12 years? EDIT: Of possible interest to nobody: according to the script, the sound of a stake attacking is apparently "Kakikokizugyuun!" Last edited by LyricalAura; 2010-01-24 at 17:30. |
2010-01-24, 18:46 | Link #1120 | |
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Maybe she means that six years after Asumu's death, Kyrie decided for certain that if Asumu was still alive then she would have killed her (since she does mention to Jessica that Asumu dying was a miracle) |
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