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Old 2011-10-15, 09:56   Link #4601
Tenchi Hou Take
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Wow that killed all hype for this arc. Kinda makes this all meaningless if you know the other person is simply playing the part of the "villain".

I expect future Medaka trolling.

if the plan backfores it means Zen will go darkside and most probably lose. If it doesn't, the fight between Zen and Medaka will have no hype. And in the end Medaka will "win" anyway since things will have developed exactly the way she planned.

Either way Zen is simply a pawn in Medada and aijimu's plans.

It's a lose, lose situation.
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Old 2011-10-15, 09:56   Link #4602
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A fight between two main characters. Like Najimi said, this puts the odds to 50/50 for each side. It will be hella interesting.

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Wow that killed all hype for this arc. Kinda makes this all meaningless if you know the other person is simply playing the part of the "villain".

I expect future Medaka trolling.

if the plan backfores it means Zen will go darkside and most probably lose. If it doesn't, the fight between Zen and Medaka will have no hype. And in the end Medaka will "win" anyway since things will have developed exactly the way she planned.

Either way Zen is simply a pawn in Medada and aijimu's plans.

It's a lose, lose situation.
Or Medaka is the one who ends up going to the darkside.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:02   Link #4603
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Zen joining the "dark" side or shall we say Medaka just showing her true colors, I would put money on the table just to see Zen man up against Medaka and stop being a pushover every time she does something.
I'm looking here that the "real villain" is not Ajimu but Medaka herself.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:05   Link #4604
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A fight between two main characters. Like Najimi said, this puts the odds to 50/50 for each side. It will be hella interesting.



Or Medaka is the one who ends up going to the darkside.
But she most probably won't. Not at this point anyway. She'll have some emotional problems but it's unlikely she'll truely go darkside.

If she's "helping" Zen grow it kinda makes Ajimu's estimations about her and Zen's relationship kinda wrong.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:10   Link #4605
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But she most probably won't. Not at this point anyway. She'll have some emotional problems but it's unlikely she'll truely go darkside.

If she's "helping" Zen grow it kinda makes Ajimu's estimations about her and Zen's relationship kinda wrong.
Najimi's estimations are right. Besides, she knows about Medaka's weak points as well as her one huge flaw. At this rate Medaka will lose first, and then when she finally realizes the wrong in her actions, Najimi will burst in. Zen on the other hand won't ever fall in the wrong because he never did, and he never will.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:16   Link #4606
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Najimi's estimations are right. Besides, she knows about Medaka's weak points as well as her one huge flaw. At this rate Medaka will lose first, and then when she finally realizes the wrong in her actions, Najimi will burst in. Zen on the other hand won't ever fall in the wrong because he never did, and he never will.
But how are they right, she said Medaka didn't care about Zen one bit and that the only reason she kept him around because he's normal and could keep up with her. If Medaka went out of her way to help him grow then clearly she does care about him.

The whole Medaka is going to go dark side is based on ijimu's words, which we don't even know are what truly happened or may have been in different circumstances are implied. There's a chance Aijimu never wanted zen to defeat Medaka etc.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:20   Link #4607
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Some of you forget Najimi could still do more things to worsen their relatioship, to the point words will be useless.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:21   Link #4608
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But how are they right, she said Medaka didn't care about Zen one bit and that the only reason she kept him around because he's normal and could keep up with. If Medaka went out of her way to help him grow then clearly she does care about him.
In my eyes, if she's going out of her way to help Zen grow it's not so he can get stronger for his own sake, it's so she can enjoy the fight with the person she's always wanted to fight by having him at full strength when they face off.

It's basically doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. She's "helping" him for her, not for him.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:23   Link #4609
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I actually think Medaka keeps Zen close to her like a pet or something. Something that will never and can never defy her.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:28   Link #4610
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In my eyes, if she's going out of her way to help Zen grow it's not because she wants him to get stronger for his own sake, it's so she can enjoy the fight with the person she's always wanted to fight by having him at full strength when they face off.

It's basically doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. She's helping him for her, not for him.
Took the words right of my mouth.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:32   Link #4611
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In my eyes, if she's going out of her way to help Zen grow it's not so he can get stronger for his own sake, it's so she can enjoy the fight with the person she's always wanted to fight by having him at full strength when they face off.

It's basically doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. She's "helping" him for her, not for him.
Thing is I don't see Nisio making her at all "evil" in all this he may make her out to be "wrong" in some certain respect but at this point I don't see her having any truly selfish or mallcious intensions.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:32   Link #4612
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I can`t wait to see how Ajimu is gonna train Zen up to match Medaka.

I find it fishy that Kurogami Maguro and Kurogami Naze is assisting Ajimu to train Zen to fight against Medaka. Anyone know the reason?
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:36   Link #4613
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Thing is I don't see Nisio making her at all "evil" in all this he may make her out to be "wrong" in some certain respect but at this point I don't see her having any truly selfish or mallcious intensions.
"She killed her father"


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I can`t wait to see how Ajimu is gonna train Zen up to match Medaka.

I find it fishy that Kurogami Maguro and Kurogami Naze is assisting Ajimu to train Zen to fight against Medaka. Anyone know the reason?
Yes. Reread the manga.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:44   Link #4614
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"She killed her father"



Yeah but we don't understand circumstances of such an act. There's several perfectly reasonable instances doing such while may be entirely would most certainly make said person evil.
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Old 2011-10-15, 10:53   Link #4615
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Look, just sit down and enjoy what's to come. From this point onwards we don't know what's going to happen, so enough speculation.

Spoiler for spoiler:
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Old 2011-10-15, 11:02   Link #4616
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But how are they right, she said Medaka didn't care about Zen one bit and that the only reason she kept him around because he's normal and could keep up with her. If Medaka went out of her way to help him grow then clearly she does care about him.
She says: 少なくともあの男を好いた私は正しかった

Basically, that she was right about being fond of him (Zen), however, I do get the feeling it might not play out the way both want to.
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Old 2011-10-15, 11:07   Link #4617
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She says: 少なくともあの男を好いた私は正しかった

Basically, that she was right about being fond of him (Zen), however, I do get the feeling it might not play out the way both want to.
Why I get the feeling that both Medaka and Najimi are playing with the fire?
And both of them will end up burn themselves?
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Old 2011-10-15, 11:09   Link #4618
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She says: 少なくともあの男を好いた私は正しかった

Basically, that she was right about being fond of him (Zen), however, I do get the feeling it might not play out the way both want to.
Both??
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Old 2011-10-15, 11:11   Link #4619
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Both??
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I think ,He meant both Najimi and Medaka.
I can be wrong though
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Old 2011-10-15, 11:15   Link #4620
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Yeah she's doing it on purpose alright. She finds it even interesting to have Zen as an opponent.
Seriously? She's playing the bad guy to see how Zen develops? I look forward to reading this. I always thought Medaka and Zenkichi were a bit bland, but that move is interesting.
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