2011-11-19, 00:14 | Link #2461 |
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About the hate exhibited toward Shu, I think this quote from a certain Vampire Slayer series is quite appropriate:
But you didn't earn it. You didn't work for it. You've never had anybody come up to you and say you deserve these things more than anyone else. They were just handed to you. So that doesn't make you better than us. It makes you luckier than us. But that's only half the reason. There are many other stories where the protagonist started as "normal", and only got story-changing powers at the end of the first act/chapter/level/episode. Thing is, those characters do not stay helpless, unmotivated and unworthy - eventually, for some reason or another they'll start to become more motivated and takes a more proactive role in the story instead of just following where the wind goes and become everybody else's gofer. And don't start telling me that his reaction was "realistic"; none in this story is grounded in realism or even just plain sensibility, ranging from the cops not doing a body search on Shu when the didn't find the Void Genome to Gai not immediately taking the vial from Shu when he had the chance (and then Brilliant Fearless Leader blamed others for this?) to a foot soldier beating a mech with just a handgun to all those ridiculous body outfits to the whole "pilot experiences excruciating pain when remote-operated mech receives damage" ordeal...the list goes on and on and on and on. Heck, one reason why I'm not too hard on Shu is the stupid, unrealistic, not sensible way Funeral Parlor treated him. What, no propaganda, no pamphlets, no heart-to-heart dialogue on how and why Shu's doing a great and noble thing, no grand speech on how eeeeviiiil the heathen oppressors are and why they must kick the invaders out? Yes, Shu has already seen GHQ committing mas murder, but from the apathetic and uninterested stance he took afterwards that it is clear that more convincing arguments are required. Remember that the only reason he joined was for the girl. What's that? Their response to him is typical to one towards new recruits? Well that's understandable I guess...had Shu been a normal recruit. But he's not. He's not some random shmuck on the street, he's the wielder of a power with vast capabilities, a versatile force multiplier the world has never seen - Doraemon in the form of a teenager. Mind you, that capability includes widespread destruction. Considering his potential value, they should be the one trying to win his trust, not the other way around. And yet they treated their Person of Mass Destruction, one who is constantly doubting whether joining is the right thing to do, like shit? Hah! Even Shinji ikari, prime example of spineless protagonist, finally snapped after all his ordeal and gave everybody else the middle finger. Keep it up guys, I'm sure Shu will never go "Screw all this, I'm leaving!!!" or go on a rampage. @Cosmic Eagle: Loved the C&C comparison. Gai has nothing on Kane though
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2011-11-19, 00:28 | Link #2462 | |
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Which makes me wonder why people expect him to be more GAR? I don't think having super powers is reason enough to do things like taking up the role of some cliche shounen hero. If he were to be more badass he would need at least something like what Reiji experienced in Requiem for the Phantom.
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The biggest change you'd probably get is that it would be significantly less crazy as would the nature of the pacing, but I just don't see the characters being any better. You'd need someone that is experience with writing good characters. I think Okouchi could easily fill that role, but sadly he seems to have very little influence on Guilty Crown and just seems to be in the staff list as a name to attract more viewers. Quote:
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2011-11-19, 01:16 | Link #2464 | |
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Considering the funeral parlor a group of teenager which is around 17 below or around 17. I simply can't find it realistic for them to think like soldiers. Not caring to be sacrifice in episode 6 just to complete the mission. Unless they do a solid background story for it and despite all the EVIL thing GHQ shows. They really need to explain it to Shu to understand.
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2011-11-19, 01:38 | Link #2465 | |
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2011-11-19, 03:08 | Link #2466 |
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I wonder what will happen if Shuu try to pull out the void from himself or pull out more than one void at the same time.
IMO,the void pulled out from other people seems a bit random. Isn't this mean anime can just give a solution for each situation by just creating new random void with over the top ability?
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2011-11-19, 03:21 | Link #2467 | |
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But the writers apparently like asspulls, and having the capabilities of all Voids known to Shu (and the viewers) beforehand would lessen the dramatic surprise. And so every person holding a plot relevant void will conveniently be near Shu when the plot demands
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2011-11-19, 03:25 | Link #2469 | |
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2011-11-19, 07:18 | Link #2471 | ||
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The only thing that leaves me wondered is why Ayase should prevent Shu to become closer to Inori. After all,that would play in her favor, at least that her and Tsugumi don't want him a their pet. Quote:
Of course it can happen as you say, or that most of the week he is with the Undertaker and returns home only when needed. But I sincerely hope he go to live with them at least he won't be alone anymore.(especially now that he has solved his problem with Gai). Edit:I thought a question and I want to see what you guys think of this. Because of the age limit that is related to the void, and that we know the age of Gai, Ayase and Tsugumi I think is obvious that at least once Shu will extract a void from them . Which brings me to the question I thought. What kind of void you guys think Shu will extract from them? For me.... Ayase =I do not know why but lately I think if Shu will take out a void from her would be something like Beowulf from dmc 3 (you know gauntlets and greaves). Tsugumi = something like a absolute defense (I do not know why but I see this possible)or something that is related to her Hacker(skill/title). Gai =I left for last because I have not the faintest idea what kind of void can be. Now let's see what kind of void you think,afterall I'm certain that sooner or later we see them and it will be interesting to see who came closest to guessing. Last edited by Soji; 2011-11-19 at 08:24. |
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2011-11-19, 08:59 | Link #2472 | |
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Inori is Cocytus... she'll awaken into Acheron. There are probably 4 others just as strong as her. Albino kid at the end of the episode is probably another like Inori. What is up with Gai? Is he really 17 or has gene spliced Inori's DNA into himself and looks young? Damn, he acts like an old man. Why would foreign government send a 17 year old kid military aid? Why is Gai's second in command around 30 years old? I think Gai is actually 30-50 but due to taking blood from Inori he now appears to be 17 and that's why no one in GHQ recognizes him. How the hell does he know so much about the GHQ? We haven't been introduced to the mole in GHQ that feeds him info. He has intimate knowledge of everything, even their tactics... as if he designed them. |
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2011-11-19, 09:34 | Link #2474 |
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Man, people really should knock it off with the "Guilty Crown is just a rehash of series X" stuff. Yeah, we get it, the show isn't the most original one, but so far it has been quite entertaining.
Also, characterization needs time and with Guilty Crown, the writers have decided that the shared background of the three mains ( Shu, Inori, Gai ), which obviously is interconnected ( just look at the flashbacks from the end of episode one ) is one of the main mysteries of the series... expect that to be resolved at the mid of the series. Then characterization can move forward.
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2011-11-19, 09:51 | Link #2475 | ||
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2011-11-19, 09:54 | Link #2476 | |
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2011-11-19, 10:54 | Link #2478 |
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Shu is sometimes really behaving selfishly.
Don't get why he still didn't really accept that his life has changed forever. He just keeps sulking all the time about pretty much anything.. Their little plan was not going well... they sure messed up.
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If the reveal will be well told or not is still in the stars. Neither is it clear, if holding the characters back in their development to build up tension to the enventual reveal will pay off in time or will result in the characterization being ultimately stunted. But there are tons of replies in this thread or on Random Curiousity where people don't seem to see that... they just live in the now and want instant gratification. That tends to piss me off, because, IMO, it encourages one-couer shows with less complex stories. The eye-candy is keeping people watching the show for now, but the writers do seem to have a deeper-layered plan than "Gai looks GAR, Inori looks sexy, Shu gets to touch her tits, let's blow things up!". But people here ignore that in favor of "lulz, GC is just like Evangelion/Code Geass/whatever even slightly similar show I saw in the past!" and "why aren't they making Shu resolve all his inner conflicts in episode 5 of 22?!?".
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2011-11-19, 11:49 | Link #2480 | ||
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Anyway this is turning (if it hasn't been already) into a sort of chewbacca defense. And sadly I fear it's incuraging others to just follow in conga line because of how easy and sugary it is: "burn the sinners!" and all that. If you want to convert those of us that don't like the character then describe why you like him in hopes that maybe we'll agree and symphathize with your conviction. Don't just tell us we're not allowed not to like him because of some of your personal issues, and something or other to do with other sites. Oh and I mean no disrespect, just trying to keep it as short and to the point as possible.
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