(L) Noein -- Mou Hitori no Kimi e

[Keluangman]

Yeap the ost is great , like everybodyelse i liked shangri-la,mirai no haruka,omoi but my favourite is haruka no uchi and yuu's theme

[User35785]

Are lyrics for the choral parts of "Shangri-La" in the OST known?

[wao]

No, AFAIK they're just made up words by riya.

Still haven't listened to the OST yet (thanks Nip*****i), but I'm sure there'll be great stuff. The preview music (which I know is "Mirai no Haruka") is very nice stuff, it pulls at the heartstrings of this fangirl very much.

Speaking of which, I really am very interested as to the fate of Future Haruka. And those clips where you see Karasu angsting over a child Haruka in that tube thing.

[MrProphet]

Intersting how at one point we almost saw a grown up Haruka in Karasu's dream. Remember when he was imprisoned at Lacrima?

So, which is which? The child in the glass tube, or the grown-up girl?

[wao]

Yeah, and the voice on the time phone seems like an older Haruka as well. So perhaps there are a few... maybe the one in the capsule is some other Haruka they just used to harvest? I have no clue, but surely that can't be what happens to this Haruka, after all that Dragon's Torque thing is so powerful...

[Splendiferous]

Intersting how at one point we almost saw a grown up Haruka in Karasu's dream. Remember when he was imprisoned at Lacrima?

So, which is which? The child in the glass tube, or the grown-up girl?

This is why I was suggesting before the possibility that Lacryma has already extracted and experimented on other time-space versions of Haruka before, though I'm not really convinced that the story so far supports that theory at all cohesively.

Someone else mentioned that as a Quantum being, Karasu may share the memory/knowledge of other time-space versions of himself, as such Karasu might be able to see a time-space version where he did not rescue Haruka in Lacryma...or perhaps it's just his imagination of the worst possible result?

The discrepency between the memory of an older more adult Haruka and the younger Haruka in the battery flashback does leave some difficult questions unanswered

[Splendiferous]

General Question for anyone:

1. Do you think Haruka has already realized that her Lacryma version has died ?(as that's been pretty much implied)

Although she's quite disoriented when Karasu saves her in Lacryma, the dialogue exchange between Amamiku and Karasu and Haruka's reaction to it seems to suggest some form of realization.

A few of her other reactions throughout the series makes me feel that she recognizes something horrible happens to her Lacryma counterpart, but either doesn't want to, or doesn't know how to address it directly.


2. What is really going on with Kuina?

He's dealt with only briefly at all, but his interactions with Noein are highly conspicuous. It seems to me like Noein is manipulating him, the scene with Kuina meditating really sparks this suspicion..but manipulation to what end? The only thing that seems to make any sense is 'in order to find/capture Haruka/Dragon's Torque'.


Notice we haven't heard much from Lacryma in a while, I wonder when that will change...

[Kaoru Chujo]

I'm not sure what age the Haruka in the capsule is. I don't think it's really clear from the images. I do think it's possible that more than one Haruka has been kidnapped in the service of Lacrima's survival.

Here are two screencaps:

Spoiler for caps from episode 15:

Spoiler for speculation based on ep 15:

The natural outcome is to prefer the lively world of friends, with all its problems, to the perfect Shangri-la, but that would be kind of obvious. I'm beginning to find it possible to think of the Lacrimans as evil and noein as good -- not that I expect the distinction to be that clear-cut. I trust the producers will find some way to make Haruka's choice as interesting as the rest of this great show.

I don't think Lacrima Haruka has necessarily died, but she is at least injured or in some kind of coma, if that's her in the capsule.

[MrProphet]

Didn't Kosagi (or was it Amamiku?) tell Karasu that Haruka is dead? With the implication that he should get over it...

As for Kuina, I'd have to say that his new headpiece bothers me. The thing that he got in place of his ruined face somewhat reminds me of Noein's mask. Adding that to the fact that Kuina and Noein are somehow connected, as co-conspirators or maybe as master and servant, could lead to interesting observations.

[NoSanninWa]

Originally Posted by MrProphet

Didn't Kosagi (or was it Amamiku?) tell Karasu that Haruka is dead? With the implication that he should get over it...

It was also stated by Ai that Haruka is dead. We were told that Haruka died saving them all.

[musouka]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for speculation based on ep 15:

The natural outcome is to prefer the lively world of friends, with all its problems, to the perfect Shangri-la, but that would be kind of obvious. I'm beginning to find it possible to think of the Lacrimans as evil and noein as good -- not that I expect the distinction to be that clear-cut. I trust the producers will find some way to make Haruka's choice as interesting as the rest of this great show.

Spoiler for speculation based on ep 15:

To be honest, I don't think either outcome is all that great. In Lacrima, you have your friends, but they're all living in misery and poverty, and are so desperate that they don't blink at sacrificing a little girl for their own betterment.

Shangri-La is beautiful, but seemingly empty as you mentioned. However, there do seem to be people of some sort in those machines we saw.

What I find interesting is the disparity between the two. Shangri-La looks pastoral and peaceful, but is able to send those montrous, freakish ships to attack Lacrima. Lacrima seems technologically advanced...until you see the other non-Bird knights attempting to fight off the ships with what seem to be spears.

Anyway, I kind of got off track, but obviously the ideal is having all your friends living well in a place like Shangri-La. I wonder if that's even possible...

[Splendiferous]

Quote Kaoru Chujo:

Spoiler for speculation based on ep 15:

Spoiler:

The natural outcome is to prefer the lively world of friends, with all its problems, to the perfect Shangri-la, but that would be kind of obvious. I'm beginning to find it possible to think of the Lacrimans as evil and noein as good -- not that I expect the distinction to be that clear-cut. I trust the producers will find some way to make Haruka's choice as interesting as the rest of this great show.

I'm actually convinced that both the Lacrymans and Noein are 'wrong' in their approach... I don't know whether I can get off calling either of them evil, each I think has their own circumstances which cause them to do what they believe is necessary, or desirable...

But both of them have admitted to disrupting the natural order by destroying time-spaces to achieve their own ends. In the case of Lacryma it seems to be in self-defense, but considering what we're learning about the Magic Circle project, we don't really know, and I don't know that self-defense excuses it either. In the case of Noein, the reasons are more nebulous...but either way both have admitted to messing with the natural order of things:

First Karasu (representing Lacryma) in the episode with his confrontation with Isuka.

And now Noein (representing Shangrila) in the most recent episode.

I think it will be very difficult to empathize with either Shangrila or Lacryma's "Ends justify the Means" approach to getting what they want... and I certainly hope that Haruka refuses to make any 'choice'.

[NaviX]

Originally Posted by Splendiferous
I'm actually convinced that both the Lacrymans and Noein are 'wrong' in their approach... I don't know whether I can get off calling either of them evil, each I think has their own circumstances which cause them to do what they believe is necessary, or desirable...

It's all part of human nature. It shows how screwed we can become under circumstances such as these. Lacrima becomes selfish is willing to sacrifice other worlds for their desperation to survive while Noein is acting out of (probably) vengence and his desire for a perfect world with haruka?

Haruka is the hope that the good side of human nature will triumph. I also hope she doesn't choose either worlds.

BTW, the OST is great.

[Keluangman]

In my opinion neither lacryma nor noein is 'wrong'. They probally have their own justification and believed their actions were 'right'. Regarding haruka not making a choice , we still dont know the effect of it , if she doesnt make a choice both shangrila and lacryma could still be at war worst still if the present world is drag into it (just a personal tought)

[sanachan]

First, I want to say that Noein OST is simply AMAZING and that I haven't listened to such great soundtrack since the Escaflowne OST... I believe the fact that Noein and Escaflowne have the same director, the music is similar in terms of choral voices, style of music, etc... :P (thanks to IceAlchemist for uploading this great work of music!!)

Now... I've watched the raws of Noein so I don't get that much from the japanese version :P but I've read what you have said here... so, Noein came out with just two timespaces, Lacryma and Shangri-La? So, what if Haruka decides not to chose any of them, but to let all timespaces to exist? Not only Lacryma and Shangri-la, but all the other timespaces?

And no comments about Atori and Miho? In episode 15, what do Ai and Haruka say when Miho helps Atori to eat?? >_< if anyone can translate that for me please >_<

Oh! And one little question: do you remember the music they used for the Noein trailer?? It was very good! Anyone know the title of the song? It is an existing song, or it was made up just for the trailer??

[Quajafrie]

Please use spoiler tags for eps 14-15, I think most people haven't seen them yet.

Btw, I bought a book called "Quantum Paradox". I'm really interested in quantum physics lately because of Noein, as I was interested in religion when I watched Neon Genesis Evangelion. I guess all I need to become interested with subjects I wasn't interested before is to watch a good anime that has to do with it.

[wao]

Originally Posted by sanachan

And no comments about Atori and Miho? In episode 15, what do Ai and Haruka say when Miho helps Atori to eat?? >_< if anyone can translate that for me please >_<

Something like "Somehow it seems to me that Miho's kind of taken up with Atori".

I normally get very interested about a subject if an anime I like talks about it, but I have got no brain cells left for quantum physics... so I'll just go by the explanations here >_>

[sanachan]

I think all this quantum physics stuff is the reason some people doesn't like Noein at all xDD it is too complicated for them to understand...

But I really like NOein because of this, it isn't the typical story of people coming from the future or other dimensions... it is a very interesting version of this kind of stories!

Spoiler:

By the way, episode 14 really scared me T_T all these phone calls, and the last one just made me remember movies like Juon or Ringu! x___X Even the camera angles, the photography, the sound and the use of silence... it was an horror movie in Noein! >__<

[wao]

I was just rewatching the end of episode 7 with the fight between Fukurou and that thingy from Shangri-La... isn't it ironic how he digs out its eyes? Considering Fukurou's lost an eye.

[Quajafrie]

I think all this quantum physics stuff is the reason some people doesn't like Noein at all xDD it is too complicated for them to understand...

I don't think it is... Noein explains quantum physics in an easy and understandable way.