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View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 2nd A's - Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 25.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 20.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 12.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.56% | |
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2013-03-28, 17:28 | Link #982 | |
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But yes, that's entirely possible too, for better or for worse.
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2013-03-28, 17:33 | Link #983 | |
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Blasphemy oOo! xD
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2013-03-28, 18:02 | Link #986 | |||
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If we're talking about "made purely for fanservice" then the Phantasia leaves the A's movie in the dust. For the A's movie, someone who hasn't watched the series will be able to follow the movie with no trouble whatsoever. If you haven't played Phantasia though? Good luck making sense of that OVA. |
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2013-03-28, 18:02 | Link #987 | |
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Chrono and Lindy's connection to the Book of Darkness was touched upon to a significant degree in the movie. It was not ignored. There were some scenes in the movie indicating how much this meant to both of them. We even had a flashback scene focusing on Chrono's dad, how he died, and how Lindy and Chrono reacted to his death. We know that Chrono and Lindy visited the grave of Chrono's dad following the conflict of this anime. It is clear that a measure of closure was gained for both characters here. This isn't bad for supporting cast characters. And Chrono and Lindy are no more tied into the main plot than Nanoha and Fate are. You are not being fair in this discussion, Kaijo. Your side of the argument would likely make the movie less enjoyable for Fate fans and NanoFate fans, and all for the sake of greater unneeded emphasis on supporting cast characters. I also don't see any fairness in basically saying that people who want to see some heartwarming NanoFate and Fate scenes are "fanatics", yet making it seem that those who are disproportionately focused on supporting cast characters are apparently perfectly normal. In short, I strongly disagree with you and your priorities in this thread. And I do not think you have truly given the other side of the argument real consideration.
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2013-03-28, 18:12 | Link #988 | |
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You seem to be going "lalalala, can't hear you" when we bring this up and call us being unfair.
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2013-03-28, 18:14 | Link #989 | ||
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1.) Garden of Time 2.) Final battle. The fight against natchwal 3.) Reinforces departure (her death) 4.) Nanoha vs. Reinforce 5.) Transformation scenes
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2013-03-28, 18:21 | Link #990 | ||||
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"Oh, hey, here's that thing that killed my husband. Interesting." "So this is what killed my dad? Why should I care again?" Are you honestly telling me that you don't care that two people, who lost a loved one to the antagonist of the series, have ZERO emotional moments confronting said antagonist (and confronting their feelings at the same time)? That a "good" movie totally ignores the feelings about someone confronting the murderer that killed a loved one? Quote:
Also consider this: After this story, Chrono and Lindy fade into the background, but Fate stays in the foreground. She has MANY more chances to take the stage and get development. The Harleowns are done after this. Do you really object to letting them have some actual development before they get shuffled off? Are you really okay with a supporting cast member getting more emphasis than the main, after all? Person A: "Hey, out of my way! I'm more important here, so I get to go on this ride FIRST!" Person B: "But you get to go on this ride all day! Do you really have to keep cutting in front of people and preventing them from riding at all?" Person A: "Hey! STOP BEING UNFAIR TO ME! I said I was more important, didn't I?" If you want me to understand, then understand it from this viewpoint, about how you sound to this thread. Few people would be sympathetic to the above. When even the titular main character gets shafted, you have to acknowledge there is a problem. Quote:
"Nanoha is my favorite character, but I recognize that she didn't need much development here. Maybe just her reaction and decision to tell her friends and family about her magic. It could have made a nice contribution to her character if she grappled with the decision, like Fate grappled with her mommy issues. But I at least recognize it wasn't needed in the context of this movie." When a Fate, or NanoFate person, can make the same sacrifice for the good of the plot, we'll be on even ground again. I'm willing to give up Nanoha development, despite her being my favorite character, if it means we can better characterize the plot and secondary characters. I am willing to give up what is not needed, in order to make sure we fit in what is important to the plot. Even if you ignore everything else, can you say the same? Last note: I do understand your argument. You feel that Fate is a main character, and that NanoFate is important. I understand that, and to a degree, I'd even agree with that. However, you also feel that those two things are more important than anything else in the A's movie. You'd sacrifice anything else, if it means you get more Fate and NanoFate. I'm sorry, but I can't agree to that. Let me know if you don't understand why. |
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2013-03-28, 18:23 | Link #991 | ||
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No, it can't.
I have considered your argument. I have considered the amount of NanoFate and Fate focus in this movie. I have considered the amount of Lindy and Chrono focus in the movie. I think the amount of NanoFate and Fate focus in this movie is perfectly normal for major characters and the main pairing of an anime movie. If anything, in fact, it's minimal. As even Kaijo admits, it's a measly 5 to 10 minutes of NanoFate focus. Any less than that, and I'd feel substantially short-changed as a NanoFate fan. And why shouldn't I? These are the main protagonists and the main pairing in a 2 and a half hour movie. A measly 10 minutes of focus on their relationship is too much to ask for? Seriously, Nanya? Quote:
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2013-03-28, 18:31 | Link #992 | |
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Do you want my honest answer towards how it affects the plot? Because, if you want it, you won't like it. Let's be honest here, Triple_R, 5-10 minutes of screen time is still more screen time than Chrono or Lindy got to deal with the Book of Darkness issues they had. 5-10 minutes of screen time was more than almost any (Reinforce v Nanoha) action sequence in the movie. You would feel short-changed as a NanoFate fan? Well, guess what? As a fan of the franchise and characters NOT named Fate, I feel short-changed!
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2013-03-28, 18:37 | Link #993 | |||
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Fate gets more development than Nanoha because Fate has more room to develop. What Fate does not get, however, are the key battles of every season. And she's certainly not the one to bring them down. This is how the titular character has always worked in Nanoha. Also, Nanoha is not shafted, she never has been. Her screentime is always on par, if not more than Fate's. How can someone be shafted when they have more screen time than the accused shafter? Quote:
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2013-03-28, 18:37 | Link #994 |
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Whether we like it or not as fans who have a ship that we like, the fact is, Nanoha (series) has NEVER been focused on romantic relationships.
The most relationships we get are family ones (Erio and Caro to Fate, Fate to Lindy and Fate to Precia, Vivio to Nanoha) with side characters getting married. So, if you think that love-love time for NanoFate is important, remember this, it was NEVER a focus of the series. Demi., while I'm not Kaijo, I have flat out said that I hated the lack of Fate's BDH moment at the start, haven't I? Besides, what you said, about Fate not having any other shining moments... Well... Isn't another complaint that I had was that Yuuno was basically not in the movie (15 seconds outside of exposition), so any of his shining examples that were in the series were removed? Not fun when the shoe's on the other foot, huh?
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2013-03-28, 18:44 | Link #996 |
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This is A's, not first season.
And, again, the only real NanoFate scene I would have removed, myself, would have really been the walk home after school scene as it really didn't serve any real point to the movie. Anyway, all of you who think I'm hating on this movie... Find a movie from your childhood that you really liked... Go see of the Nostalgia Critic did a review on it. You want to see hating on movies? You should see him at times. And, yes, he hates on movies that are popular and movies that flat-out suck as well.
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2013-03-28, 18:45 | Link #997 |
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But not in the second, their friendship surely receives some developement in the TV series but the main focus always was Hayate and the Knights and how they changed their ways but were forced to retake their role as villains due to circunstances. Or at least that's how it used to be until MOVIE 2nd came around xDU
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2013-03-28, 18:48 | Link #998 | |
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Instead of re-hashing old arguments, I've decided I'm going to try to work outside the box. Let's look at some scenes that haven't been discussed much at all when it comes to the movie, and see if any of them are expendable. Here's an idea: In the movie, at approximately 2:24:28, we see a brief scene of Chrono and Lindy (joined by Fate, Alph, and... that girl with a crush on Chrono) gathered around the grave of Chrono's father. At least, I'm pretty sure that's his grave. This scene ends at 2:24:41. So yes, it is a very brief scene. Instead of ending here, cut out what comes after - Hayate meeting up with her Doctor, and Nanoha revealing her magical truth to Suzuka and Arisa. That all ends at 2:25:40. That gives us an extra minute. Hayate meeting up with her Doctor is a nice bit, but I'm confident we'd agree it's pretty expendable. Nanoha revealing the truth to Suzuka and Arisa is, in my view, pretty important. I think it deserves more than what it received here. However, I think the best solution might be to have this be a significant part of the next film since we now know it's coming. From 2:23:34 to 2:24:01 there are scenes focusing on Shamal... and a bunch of soldiers that I don't even know. Not a bad scene, but surely expendable. So there's an extra 20 to 30 seconds. Add this extra minute and a half to the Chrono/Lindy grave-site scene. Give them some dialogue. Let there be some smiles and tears. If we need a bit more, shave a minute or two off of the lengthier action scenes. Or shave a minute off of the Lotus Eater Dream. I like it being there, but it could be shorter. If we need even more than that... Cut the Nanoha/Fate training scene. While it was amusing, it's the one scene focusing on just Nanoha and Fate that I personally would probably miss the least if it was removed. I honestly really loved the scenes of Fate in school. What do you think, Kaijo? Does this give you enough to have the added Lindy/Chrono focus that you want? My point is that you don't necessarily need to trim any Fate or NanoFate (well, aside from maybe the training scene, and a touch less Lotus Eater Dream) in order to get what you want for Lindy/Chrono.
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2013-03-28, 18:50 | Link #999 | ||
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And I really think that's the key difference here. I think a main character deserves one or more shining moments. I would never go into a series or movie and complain about how a minor character never got the glory, even if that minor character was my favorite character. Yuuno got shaft raped in this film, but it's not Fate's screen times fault. She had whats deserving of a main character. And no more.
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2013-03-28, 18:52 | Link #1000 | |
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On the Nostalgia Critic, who cares? I mean I like his show but even if I don’t agree with what he says doesn’t mean he can pull out a good laugh. What he says about a movie isn’t going to change how I see it.
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