Aldnoah.Zero - generic discussion thread

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by wavehawk

Now, whether that means Slaine will defect to the Earth side...or be stupid enough to report back to Vers about it, I don't know.

If Slaine is stupid enough to do that then I will probably give up on the writing-department of this show. If they really really want Slaine to go back to Vers to get beaten up, they better provide a very good reason, like maybe he has someone there that is dear to him or someone he should take care of.

[Thess]

Asseylum might order Slaine to go back to Cruhteo to asses which ones are in the conspiracy. They can't fight Saazbaum on their own.

[wavehawk]

Originally Posted by pagan poor

I guess Slaine did what any of us would have done to that arrogant dickweed.

- Trilliam deserved it for multiple reasons, but the four most obvious are:
1.) For being an overly large and painful to hear Ham
2.) For being an arrogant dickbiscuit
3.) For being stupid enough to openly admit he tried to kill the beloved princess and being stupider still to think that the kid he's been abusing relentlessly is just going to sit there and take it
4.) Being even more stupid to think that after being presented with the obvious result of #3 (actually being shot) that he can still tell off the said kid doing the shooting

...actually, on #4--he reminds me of a couple of guys I frgged last night on CoD...same post-death whining.

Now that a proper Darwin has been committed, time for some actual competency from the attacking side.

- And as noted in ep 2 each of the machines has a different ability (and therefore weakness). I'm definitely liking the idea of the main characters NOT having uber-advanced prototypes to fight back with and having to think the fight through.

And I know you guys were arguing about it. No, water is NOT the weakness. As Inaho actually said in the episode, the machine had to have certain sections where the barrier was switched off, otherwise it'd just sink into the ground nonstop. So when in contact with a surface, it switches off. Thing is, water is a liquid surface, and I'd wager the AI holding up the field doesn't know that---the water is 'connected' to the ground. So the AI thinks it's still in contact with a solid surface--just one that washes over. You'd probably have gotten a similar effect with mud or a landslide.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Thess

Asseylum might order Slaine to go back to Cruhteo to asses which ones are in the conspiracy. They can't fight Saazbaum on their own.

Like I said, as long as the reason is very good and not just "Slaine reporting back to Vers just because", I'm fine with it .

[DevilHighDxD]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

If Slaine is stupid enough to do that then I will probably give up on the writing-department of this show. If they really really want Slaine to go back to Vers to get beaten up, they better provide a very good reason, like maybe he has someone there that is dear to him or someone he should take care of.

Siding with Terran now might rouse some suspicions from the Knight, he definitely want the princess to be safe since knowing that it a insider's job so he will want the Knight to think she permanently dead without any suspicion. To do that, he needed to go back. Another thing is I kinda want to learn more about the Vers, if all three MCs is down here on Earth who will be the one to walk into a secret place knowing the stuff inside on the Mars or the Castle.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Siding with Terran now might rouse some suspicions from the Knight, he definitely want the princess to be safe since knowing that it a insider's job so he will want the Knight to think she permanently dead without any suspicion. To do that, he needed to go back. Another thing is I kinda want to learn more about the Vers, if all three MCs is down here on Earth who will be the one to walk into a secret place knowing the stuff inside on the Mars or the Castle.

I don't know if it will rouse suspicion persay, since everyone looks down on him like some kind of insect. They probably just would have thought he'd defected, that's all. After all, he is "the Terran".

However, I do still think that perhaps he can do more for the princess while staying with the Vers, rather than joining the Earth Forces, at least physically. Now that he knows what's going on, he can actually form a plan and purpose to find all who are behind the plot. Also, there's an advantage to being treated like dirt. You're often overlooked and people constantly underestimate what you're capable of. Just as Trillram's dismissal of Slaine cost him, it will cost the other knights as well.

I also think that we'll also see Mars itself soon, since we'll need to see the Emperor and of course, he's on Mars.

[GreyZone]

It would be interesting if Slaine's actions would lead to a Vers vs Vers fight... I wonder how such Kataphrakts would fight EACH OTHER and what would happen when 2 of those force-fields clash.

[wavehawk]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

If Slaine is stupid enough to do that then I will probably give up on the writing-department of this show.

- If it's true and Urobuchi's only written up to ep 3, then it's pretty much up in the air at this point.

[HighGuard]

Anyone know what the insert song was for this ep? The one that played when they rolled out

[bakato]

Originally Posted by wavehawk

- Trilliam deserved it for multiple reasons, but the four most obvious are:
1.) For being an overly large and painful to hear Ham
2.) For being an arrogant dickbiscuit
3.) For being stupid enough to openly admit he tried to kill the beloved princess and being stupider still to think that the kid he's been abusing relentlessly is just going to sit there and take it
4.) Being even more stupid to think that after being presented with the obvious result of #3 (actually being shot) that he can still tell off the said kid doing the shooting

...actually, on #4--he reminds me of a couple of guys I frgged last night on CoD...same post-death whining.

- And as noted in ep 2 each of the machines has a different ability (and therefore weakness). I'm definitely liking the idea of the main characters NOT having uber-advanced prototypes to fight back with and having to think the fight through.

And I know you guys were arguing about it. No, water is NOT the weakness. As Inaho actually said in the episode, the machine had to have certain sections where the barrier was switched off, otherwise it'd just sink into the ground nonstop. So when in contact with a surface, it switches off. Thing is, water is a liquid surface, and I'd wager the AI holding up the field doesn't know that---the water is 'connected' to the ground. So the AI thinks it's still in contact with a solid surface--just one that washes over. You'd probably have gotten a similar effect with mud or a landslide.

Yes. Yes. Trillram's humiliating and no doubt painful death complete with all those gasping noises completely satisfied my hate meter.

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

I don't know if it will rouse suspicion persay, since everyone looks down on him like some kind of insect. They probably just would have thought he'd defected, that's all. After all, he is "the Terran".

However, I do still think that perhaps he can do more for the princess while staying with the Vers, rather than joining the Earth Forces, at least physically. Now that he knows what's going on, he can actually form a plan and purpose to find all who are behind the plot. Also, there's an advantage to being treated like dirt. You're often overlooked and people constantly underestimate what you're capable of. Just as Trillram's dismissal of Slaine cost him, it will cost the other knights as well.

I also think that we'll also see Mars itself soon, since we'll need to see the Emperor and of course, he's on Mars.

The next question is who will Slaine go to first? Cruhteo or the princess?

There's also that meteoric bombardment that Saazbaum is planning.

Originally Posted by wavehawk

- If it's true and Urobuchi's only written up to ep 3, then it's pretty much up in the air at this point.

Here's an idea, let's scrutinize this next episode carefully to see if we can't find any lack of Genness.

[Triple_R]

After reading through the last few pages of the thread...

I also found it a bit odd how decisively and zealously the Princess went against her own people here, especially since it seems as though she's still unaware of the assassination plot against her on the part of her own people. I can certainly understand and respect her thinking that her people are brutally overreacting to terrans assassinating her, but nonetheless, such an assassination is generally considered an act of war. It should hardly surprise her that the ceasefire is over, and that war is happening. So I'd kind of expect her to take a more diplomatic stance towards her own people. I hope her character and thinking gets fleshed out a bit more in future episodes, because at the moment, it does seem a bit off to me.

[Funkatron]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

If the barrier has gaps why does this robot even need the flying cameras? I mean, I could understand the cameras as an advantage. You know, some extra eyes. But some of those gaps in the barrier should be used for on board cameras. Blocking the flying ones shouldn't render the whole thing blind.

You don't want a giant gap in the mech's face, now do you?

[jeroz]

Thing with the princess though is that her action here is to stop a massacrer from a rampaging mech. As long as she doesn't command the Earthlings for a fight back I wouldn't find her actions odd. Teammates can still stop a teammate from punching the opposition team just by being a bro.

[MeggieMay]

Slaine going back to VERS wouldn't be stupid to me, unless he went back willingly and told Cruhteo and really thought he'd be believed. Slaine may have to go back to VERS if he can't hook up with the Princess. His only other option would be to wander around alone and that wouldn't get him anywhere. Slaine might actually be able to hide Trillham's body and get away with this for a while. If he tossed him back into the river, Trillham's body would come back up sooner or later but by that point Trillham's death could be blamed on all sorts of things other than Slaine doing it. Plus the VERS people don't seem to think of Slaine as being smart enough to pull off anything like that to begin with, so he'd have bought some time if nothing else.

At this point, I think Slaine's allegiance is to the Princess and no one else. I think he's going to try and get to her if possible but whether he can pull that off or not is going to be the next issue for him. If he can't get to her, then he may have to go back to VERS so that won't be a deal breaker for me, at least, in and of itself. Plus he may get caught and taken back. The main thing he needs to do right now is get rid of the body, or at least cover his roll in the death, if for no other reason than to buy himself some time. BTW, is it possible that gun he got from Trillham is the one the Princess has in the OP? That's something to think about, IMO .

[felix]

With regard to "It should be black all the time" complaints

There are moments when it's shown to be all black; namely when it appears to turn on. Every other time it's reactive, as in it goes full power on demand, hence the "black waves" on it. It can't be proven that's the case but it makes perfect sense if you need something to chew on to believe it. It's not useful to absorb light (or anything else that's harmless for that matter) when being a giant hole makes you even more visible, and it makes no sense to waste energy being on all the time either if you can manage to turn it on/off before anything hits; which isn't really that hard given the tech is already absurd as is. I assume when it's not absorbing anything fancy it's just on "low power" mode, so things like light can pass through it.

I wouldn't be surprised if it the camera requirement are just a consequence of "camera holes would be an obvious vulnerability" more then anything else. We don't know how special it's skin is.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by the one above all

She probably wants to know more about his past and the battle he was in. He did say earlier that the higher ups had him cover up something that happened in the battle.

Although I wont rule out the possibility that Yuki has competition

Female ship captains getting together with the older non-MC mech pilot has happened before in mecha series a lot, and I have to see them for longer, but I can see something developing between them.

Yuki, on the other hand is a maybe, but I just can't see her surviving this series.

I could be wrong, like I was with Shoko in VVV, but Yuki just seems like she's in a precarious position, plot wise. There really won't be a place for her soon. She's too old to join the kids in fighting, and there's enough female staff to man the ship. So, I feel she'll get extraneous later as the show goes on.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by jeroz

Thing with the princess though is that her action here is to stop a massacrer from a rampaging mech.

She personally shot off a weapon to take out one of Trillram's cameras. Firing on your own nation's military, especially when you're a very high-ranking member of your nation's government, is a pretty big line to cross, in my view. And she's doing it with a big, open smile on her face!

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

After reading through the last few pages of the thread...

I also found it a bit odd how decisively and zealously the Princess went against her own people here, especially since it seems as though she's still unaware of the assassination plot against her on the part of her own people. I can certainly understand and respect her thinking that her people are brutally overreacting to terrans assassinating her, but nonetheless, such an assassination is generally considered an act of war. It should hardly surprise her that the ceasefire is over, and that war is happening. So I'd kind of expect her to take a more diplomatic stance towards her own people. I hope her character and thinking gets fleshed out a bit more in future episodes, because at the moment, it does seem a bit off to me.

Trilliam was chasing to what seemed to be a harmless civilian who couldn't defend herself.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Thess

Trilliam was chasing to what seemed to be a harmless civilian who couldn't defend herself.

But it's still her own people we're talking about. At the very least, it's reasonable to expect some conflicting feelings from her part. Yet, she showed nothing but eagerness to fight.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Thess

Trilliam was chasing to what seemed to be a harmless civilian who couldn't defend herself.

I think most Heads of State (or people just below the Head of State) would at least stop to consider "Maybe this 'harmless civilian' isn't as harmless as she appears." You know, give your own military the benefit of the doubt before giving the benefit of the doubt to a complete and utter stranger.

I'm not saying the Princess should be completely passive here, or just stand by and calmly watch bloodshed happen, but getting in on the firing action herself is, again, crossing a pretty big line, in my view.