2016-06-25, 06:31 | Link #162 |
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You are lying to yourself if you think that the majority of the voters thought and reasoned like you, that fears of immigration and the loss of national identity wasn't a major factor in driving a lot of people into the leave camp. It was - like so often when people vote on controversial topics - an issue of emotion instead of moderation. The same kind of emotional attitude that drove a slight Swiss majority in 2014 to accept the initiative against mass immigration.
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2016-06-25, 06:45 | Link #163 | ||
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Protest votes are dumb and only adds further to votes not making a difference. But the irony is it did this time around. But it's very sad, rather sad people who voted leave really didn't take this very important decision seriously. And also very said the Remain side are attacking all the out voters as a bunch of racists. I just want to make it clear no all out voters are ignorant racists or just clueless whipper snappers. And that I will never regret my decision, which had been formed over ten long years. |
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2016-06-25, 06:51 | Link #164 |
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Gotta love all the doomsday scenarios that are popping up now. Seriously, do you people honestly believe this will throw the UK back into the Stone Age or something? Sure, the economy is taking a serious blow because of the Brexit (mostly because people fear the unknown), but I'm sure it will piece itself back together in due time. it might take a year or so, but this isn't the end of the world. And if the EU were to get their comeuppance on the UK for this, it shows even more that leaving them was the best idea. Who wants to be in a union of sore losers?
Speaking of sore losers, A million people have signed a petition for a second referendum. Meanwhile, EU ministers urge the UK to start the exit negotiations asap. It's looking more and more like a tug-of-war between disgruntled voters and the EU now.
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2016-06-25, 06:54 | Link #165 |
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Your previous post insinuated that the majority of the Leave voters were on the same processing track as you, that they voted about "moderation and what was right" and having a "deep sense of morals and idealistic stance" - which is what I was calling into doubt.
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2016-06-25, 07:01 | Link #166 |
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I find the remain far more morally suspect than the leave all the remain camp do is throw around doom and gloom and racism insults, it's like little kids throwing tantrums.
And I think thats one of the reasons they lost it just pissed off the voters. |
2016-06-25, 07:01 | Link #167 | |
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There's a lot of regret running around and people who didn't vote who are now demanding a chance. A little too late, there is no pity from me for them. They can reap the consequences of their actions. |
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2016-06-25, 07:07 | Link #168 |
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The single market always was a means to an end in terms of European construction. UK's attitude is like getting into a wedding party because they're interested the buffet, and then complain that two people are getting married. (Not an entirely fair comparison since it's a party with an entry fee, which the UK didn't want to pay in full, but you get my meaning.)
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2016-06-25, 07:16 | Link #169 |
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I've asked numerous people who had voted in the first Eu ref back then. And they was sold the story of a single market, not a political union. Even if it was a means to that end, they should of been told about it.
Maybe the message got crossed, that it turned out that Wedding with a buffet was actually a funeral with a drinks bars. |
2016-06-25, 07:21 | Link #170 | |
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2016-06-25, 07:23 | Link #171 | |
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The UK is pretty much like the EU itself, it dictates from westminster and represets only people from england. |
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2016-06-25, 07:32 | Link #172 |
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Both sides were guilty of fear-mongering throughout the whole campaign - Leave simply appealed to a more basic level of fear.
Britain isn't going to go through armageddon as a result of the Brexit as long as its leaders play the cards right, manage the 2-year transition well, and work on new trade deals with both EU and non-EU countries, the latter of which they were severely restricted from entering into as part of the EU (not that I think they're politically adept enough to do so). Iceland went through worse during their economic crisis in 2008, and yet they recovered after 3-4 painful years.
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2016-06-25, 07:33 | Link #173 | |
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2016-06-25, 07:36 | Link #174 | |
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2016-06-25, 08:24 | Link #175 | |
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There also the distinct possibility that another Scottish Independence vote and General Election may be on the cards, but that depends on the new PM. I know the UKs voters main complaints with the EU were mostly about immigration with a smaller group finding its lack of democracy disturbing, so I expect the new PM will likely want status quo in most areas. However I also know the EU seems to want to go into 'punishment mode' to stop other states leaving the EU, so we see how things happen in reality, but I wouldn't be surprised if it backfires in there face and just causes the UK to have a stronger trade relationship with none European powers. Another factor to consider is two years is plenty of time for another European state to hold a referendum, with a yes being on that cards. If the EU decided to play hard ball, then whoever else leaves will likely have a much stronger trade relationship with the UK than at the moment. On that note if one of those nations is Germany or France, then the EU is realistically over within 10 years. On currently issues with the pound, its going to recover to a similar position were it was, if possibly slightly lower. Currently there's a lot of panic and uncertainty that's twisting the market, that be over soon enough as most people click things are pretty much as they were before. |
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2016-06-25, 09:01 | Link #176 |
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52% voted for crap like this....unbelievable....
https://twitter.com/JillFilipovic/st...26435891724288 Those who voted for "out" will not live long enough with the negative consequences. |
2016-06-25, 09:22 | Link #177 | |
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EU is not merciful union anymore - especially now toward members who have left her. |
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2016-06-25, 09:46 | Link #179 |
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Then enlighten me, did they said something about Britain becoming EU member in the future again?
All I see is 'Out it out. There is no going back'. Which is normal as I am not aware that EU even have laws and regulations to allow former member of rejoining again. |
2016-06-25, 09:54 | Link #180 | |
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As I said before, Junker was responding to a question whether the EU would be open to renegotiate upon the renegotiation package agreed upon in February, which was intended to take effect upon a Remain vote, in order to make one last bid to convince the UK to stay. Which in this statement Junker replied upon negatively. The EU won't open a further round of renegotiation talks and won't be open to give the UK more concessions. The electorate of the UK voted Leave, so leave it is.
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