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2006-08-13, 07:55 | Link #82 | |
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2006-08-13, 10:11 | Link #83 | |
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Personally I often think there´s too much action and too little talking in mecha-anime. If a show contains only action (without ever stopping up and reflecting on things) it gets boring after a while.
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2006-08-13, 10:59 | Link #84 |
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It depends on how well done the action is. Would you rather have METEOR spam from the last episodes of SEED or F91's dogfights?
The METEOR's unlimmited missiles and superaccurate insta-hit lasers got boring really fast for me... On the other hand, I could watch F91's battle sequences till my eyes bleed and be entertained permenantly. |
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2006-08-13, 21:43 | Link #86 |
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"Meer" was an exceptionally well-written episode featuring an excellent voice performance by Tanaka Rie. While you may not like it, failing to recognize its good points sort of contradicts your first statement about liking "good talking episodes".
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2006-08-13, 22:15 | Link #87 |
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"Mia" was a hole used to plug a sinking ship...Yes Mia wound up being a more complexed character than we ever thought she was and the episode was by no means trash, but if it never existed, nothing about this series would change...The bad-timing of the ep must also have some consideration in judging it as it totally distorts the flow of a series ending...But i agree it does have some good points somehow which is a bit surprising for an ep created just so production on the series wasn't stopped...
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2006-08-13, 22:31 | Link #89 |
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The purpose of a particular episode has absolutely no bearing on how well-written it is. Similarly, wanting an episode to tackle a different subject may mean that one can dislike it, but it still has no bearing on its writing.
The only legitimate ways to point out "Meer" as an example of a poor "talking episode" is to show how it's either poorly written or poorly acted.
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2006-08-14, 06:07 | Link #91 | |
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2006-08-14, 08:18 | Link #92 |
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Obviously, "Meer" was a well-written episode because... it had good writing. In fact, it ranks up there among the best written Gundam episodes. NeonZ, your complaint is simply that it's timing was wrong, which may mean it's not to your taste, but it still has no bearing on its writing.
The OVAs tend to have much better writing and dialogue than the TV series; 0080 in particular, is very well done. Turn A started off well, but I thought that its later episodes were poor in comparison. Zeta's dramatic episodes are a real mixed bag; occasionally, some of its early episodes had flashes of brilliance, but some its later episodes had some of the most awful writing in all of Gundam. In general, good dramatic episodes stem primarily from good characterization and good dialogue. Recent Gundam shows are lacking here, particularly when it comes to dialogue, but the older shows don't really fare all that much better. I would prefer it if a future Gundam show decided to draw its inspiration from an altogether different source (and maybe try to do something new in the process).
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2006-08-14, 08:45 | Link #94 | |
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As for the Meer episode... I dunno. The previous episode surrounding the assassination attempt on Lacus was more interesting and better written than the Meer episode. There was nothing new gained in this episode that we as viewers didn't already know, so how everyone says this is a seemingly 'wonderful' and innovative episode is a bunch of bull.
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2006-08-14, 09:08 | Link #95 | |
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It basically is what many people call "filler". Most of that episode could be skipped without, in any way, changing the other episodes of the series or the interpretation of those episodes. It doesn't clarify any motivations which hadn't been shown before, it doesn't advance the story, not even characterization, it's just a failure as a character analysis. Compare it to Eva's last two episodes(or even Rei's monologue in Eva's first clip show), and its flaws become obvious. |
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As far as I’m concerned, accusations of “filler” are just a sign of a poster lacking the imagination to present a more concrete argument. An episode is either good or not; and this should be based solely on the basis of its own qualities. If it doesn’t fit into the surrounding episodes, then the show may qualify as having poor pacing or poor planning, but it says nothing about the qualities of that particular episode per se. Otherwise, it’s like saying that “Simpsons” is a bad show because it doesn’t fit in all that well with “The Family Guy” which just precedes it. Accusing “Meer” as a poor characterization piece is a slightly more legitimate complaint, as that’s more of a personal interpretation.
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2006-08-14, 16:27 | Link #98 |
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Meer is a good piece of work by itself, and is well written no doubt and i might have truly enjoyed it at another time, but at that time, taking a look how the plot was advancing and how many holes there were left to fill, i have to say this episode was uncalled for, down to out right useless to the whole show at that given time, because it gives us an (good) insight about a secondary (deceased) character, which causes no character development in any of the remaning cast and doesnt advance the plot in any way and doesnt effect the series in any way.
I think in this case its propper to call it a filler, since it doesnt give even the slightest bit to the show and its plot/characters at the time, and the series wouldnt change in any way and it would cause no impact to the upcoming eps and plot, should one remove it, or simply skip it watching the show - he wouldnt feel he has missed anything in the slightest. It is a filler, nothing more. Im not saying its a bad filler, its a very good one, no doubts here, its probably one of the best written eps, but its useles to the show, given that only few eps are left, and there is an immense amount of other things that could use development *cough* Shinn *cough* Its an extremely good ep on its own, but its down right useless to the show.
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2006-08-14, 17:13 | Link #99 | |
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It isn't a "good talking show" at all... it's just a rehash of material we already knew. So she narrated it... woo hoo. That's hardly interesting.
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2006-08-14, 20:35 | Link #100 | |
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As for the rest for once we agree..."Meer" really added nothing despite it's nuainced look at the character...But once again they had no choice but to show it...that's all they had to show (It was pretty decent considering they had nothing else though)...
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