Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force Manga Discussion

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

It was completely over done, and pulled out every possible pity card it could, to the point of being absurd. If they had just kept it to her parents and uncle, it would have been fine, but no, they had to pull out a horrible orphanage, too, like it was some after-school cartoon. It's like the creator didn't even know what the answer was to the mystery behind her.

Because Higurashi is known for being reserved

Originally Posted by Zero Hurricane

I know. I know. We know if understanding is not the same as forgiving. Of course we know that their purpose is clear. But that makes me can not forgive them is they have no sense of remorse. As if pain, suffering and grief they experience, it was replaced with arrogance, selfishness, and excessive pride. Even their conscience as if sealed and their goal is to satisfy their desires. In a way, they forget themselves.

That's the thing with people like them. They have to lock away the grief and guilt or else it would be too much for them. It's a defense mechanism. They're also victims of the circumstances.

[Justin_Brett]

And that approach didn't work out in its favor that time. Same with a lot of Umineko scenes: what should have been scary was just ridiculous or cheesy.

[Zero Hurricane]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

That's the thing with people like them. They have to lock away the grief and guilt or else it would be too much for them. It's a defense mechanism. They're also victims of the circumstances.

It's no longer a defense mechanism, but the mechanism of mental and moral deterioration.

[00-Raiser]

Umineko is just ridiculously convoluted. Higurashi actually makes sense.

[Justin_Brett]

I didn't mean in terms of plot, just a lot of scenes that were hit or miss.

[Tiresias]

Timing always matter. And I will always use the Nakago example for how to badly do it, because really Watase Yuu? You've grown fond of his leather pants so you hastily added a sob story add the end without any foreshadowing? Yeah, putting sob stories only in the end is epic fail.

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Who said anything about justification? It's all about understanding.

I've been hearing that for a while. So let me ask you something: What should the Huckebein at the end? Should they go into villainous breakdown before being brought into prison a la Miyu? Or should they got power overload and do a last minute world-saving sacrifice as a form of redemption like Lucy?

What kind of ending (just generally; detailed description unnecessary since) would satisfy that a) They have a sucky past, and b)they've killed people unrelated to aforementioned suckiness? Because if you're answering with "they're cured, and now their going to be released just because their past is tragic and they've gotten befriended"...well, that doesn't cover b

Color me interested.

[00-Raiser]

Personally I see them getting cured after helping to defeat the final boss and then flying off into parts unknown to live a quiet life of obscurity, never causing trouble again.

Of course everyone else would hate this ending.

The other possibility is that they'll end up like the Wolkenritter and the Numbers.

[Justin_Brett]

Them not being in the story ever again? I'd LOVE that, man.

[00-Raiser]

I figured the idea of them going free and not being punished for their crimes would piss people off.

[Justin_Brett]

As long as they get beaten up sometime by someone, I could deal with that.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

then flying off into parts unknown to live a quiet life of obscurity, never causing trouble again.

That doesn't satisfy b at all, y'know. If you really believe that sympathetic != justified, then they must receive some form of punishment, because the murders they've committed were, as you admitted, understandable but unjustifiable.

To have them go scots-free would turn their (yet to be hinted) tragic backstory from a source of sympathy to a source of justification, which you claim isn't the case.

[00-Raiser]

Wasn't particularly interested in fulfilling your requirements, I just said what kind of ending I foresaw. They'd still be considered fugitives, though.

[Dark Wing]

I believe almost all of them will die except the loli...

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

I've been hearing that for a while. So let me ask you something: What should the Huckebein at the end? Should they go into villainous breakdown before being brought into prison a la Miyu? Or should they got power overload and do a last minute world-saving sacrifice as a form of redemption like Lucy?

What kind of ending (just generally; detailed description unnecessary since) would satisfy that a) They have a sucky past, and b)they've killed people unrelated to aforementioned suckiness? Because if you're answering with "they're cured, and now their going to be released just because their past is tragic and they've gotten befriended"...well, that doesn't cover b

Color me interested.

Let's face it, this is Nanoha. As long as they say they're sorry and will never do it again, B is going to be swept under the carpet no matter how often we debate how impossible that is.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

Wasn't particularly interested in fulfilling your requirements, I just said what kind of ending I foresaw. They'd still be considered fugitives, though.

Yeah, well saying that they can go without any consequences whatsoever for their killings is what makes it difficult to believe that you guys actually do gave distinction between merely sympathetic and actually justifiable

Originally Posted by Keroko

Let's face it, this is Nanoha. As long as they say they're sorry and will never do it again, B is going to be swept under the carpet no matter how often we debate how impossible that is.

I've already realized that horrifying possibility the minute they showed the loli.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Tiresias

I've already realized that horrifying possibility the minute they showed the loli.

Not only the loli, Tsuzuki also allowed the Hucks to make funny faces. You can't be harshly punished if you make funny faces, i'ts a law of nature xDU.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Let's face it, this is Nanoha. As long as they say they're sorry and will never do it again, B is going to be swept under the carpet no matter how often we debate how impossible that is.

I thought that this might happen too, but seriously, what kind of excuse can get those people out of life imprisonment? I'd love to meet the lawyer that can get them off.

[Kuze]

I hate making parallels like this, but the only "good end" I'd accept would be for them to disarm, and ask to be put down.

Not meant to be sad in the same way as Eins, but as a act of mercy. Not a happy scene, but one meant for final closure.

[00-Raiser]

That's like expecting the Smufs to execute Gargamel at the end of the movie. Ya know, for closure.

[Akiyoshi]

I also don't think the TSAB would execute the Hucks in a "Death Penalty" fashion. If some of them die i think it will be more because the hero in question has no other option, after all these guys are resilent to almost anything. you fight them with all you got or you simply die.