Attack on Titan - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[lateraldeath]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It would take time to get the cannons in place (they're not canons they brought with them in the wagons - someone had to bring them to the forest ahead of time), so, yes, he had planned to use the forest. And a village wouldn't be safe from Titans, so they couldn't stay there for long.

But if the enemy Titans had been so organized they could keep them from the forest, they were screwed anyway.

Don't know what he'd done if there'd been two Titans, though. Kill one and try to capture the other?

Some of the cannons were shooting from a higher angle than the Titan's head, makes you wonder how they hauled the cannon 20 meters on tree trunks so fast :P.

[CrazyPerson]

Erwin knows that there are only two specialized titans. The colossal one isn't the right size category to capture/kill Eren. (The colossal one is too slow.) That leaves the armored one.

They probably set the trap for the armored one and didn't expect others. They got lucky in that the armored didn't show up with the female one, but there was no way to know there was a third, female one, until this mission. They simply adjusted the tactics to go after the one present titan.

They were probably hoping that the cannons can pierce the armor for the capture probably, but this is an iffy conjecture on my part. Imagine if the armored one showed up and the spears only bounced off the armor. Awkward....

[kitsunisan]

Originally Posted by CrazyPerson

They were probably hoping that the cannons can pierce the armor for the capture probably, but this is an iffy conjecture on my part. Imagine if the armored one showed up and the spears only bounced off the armor. Awkward....

Then he lets Mikasa cut loose and hope there's enough pieces left over to study.

[jeroz]

Don't forget Levi is there as well

[Jan-Poo]

I'm kinda bothered by how the scene of the trap going off turned out in the anime. In the manga it wasn't that evident but seeing it animated just looks wrong.

What I'm talking about is how you see FT running at full speed with that huge body of hers, and then as soon as the trap goes off she somehow stops immediately in place.

Everyone who knows a bit of physic and momentum would know that that's not possible. Sure a titan's actual mass is lower than you would expect from something that big but it's still a lot, probably ranging on the tons (if it wasn't, then a lot of previous scenes wouldn't make sense instead).

Even if the FT used her own strength to stop, it would have taken a few hundred meters, but she has no reason to, in fact it was smarter for her to use the momentum to her advantage.
Even supposing that the hooks, the wires and the anchoring are strong enough (this could work if somehow a hundred of those hit at the very exact time, very hard to happen though), her own flesh would probably rip off, which in her case it would have been more desirable than being captured given her regenerative abilities and all.

So well, I can't think that Irwin's plan was well devised anymore, it shouldn't have worked realistically speaking.

[hyper_oats]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It would take time to get the cannons in place (they're not canons they brought with them in the wagons - someone had to bring them to the forest ahead of time), so, yes, he had planned to use the forest. And a village wouldn't be safe from Titans, so they couldn't stay there for long.

But if the enemy Titans had been so organized they could keep them from the forest, they were screwed anyway.

Don't know what he'd done if there'd been two Titans, though. Kill one and try to capture the other?

Irwin probably planned to use the forest first, but it's silly to assume that he wouldn't have any other contingencies if it couldn't be used. You'd need a place to hide the harpoons, like a village. Eren could be used to fight if there were more than one titan.

[kitten320]

Originally Posted by Double_Edge

They are exceedingly well armed and prepared for a capture mission... But how did they know that a titan was gonna chase them down like that in the first place?

I can believe Erwin pulling a Tyrion to find a mole, but how are they going to explain why Erwin was so well prepared for this? Going into a forest with a clean, paved path? Knowing that there was only a single enemy? What if on the offset of their expedition, titans appeared in a way that would steer them away from the forest? And having that kind of equipment in the first place? There was no indication that a titan would hunt them down like this so why was he so prepared for this specific situation?

Unless they are just deus it because things are just falling too perfectly into place and it's kind of lame.

When those 2 titans got killed, Erwin asked Eren "who do you suspect" clearly suggesting that he suspects someone from the soldiers. And since he asked Eren, probably another shape shifter.

In a way this mission was probably to just check his theory. Besides they already know of two special titans like colossal and armor so they were probably expecting one of them who could be just like Eren shape shifters since they are clearly different from the rest.

But it happened to be someone else, a new type of titan - female. So they just proceeded.

[lateraldeath]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I'm kinda bothered by how the scene of the trap going off turned out in the anime. In the manga it wasn't that evident but seeing it animated just looks wrong.

What I'm talking about is how you see FT running at full speed with that huge body of hers, and then as soon as the trap goes off she somehow stops immediately in place.

Everyone who knows a bit of physic and momentum would know that that's not possible. Sure a titan's actual mass is lower than you would expect from something that big but it's still a lot, probably ranging on the tons (if it wasn't, then a lot of previous scenes wouldn't make sense instead).

Even if the FT used her own strength to stop, it would have taken a few hundred meters, but she has no reason to, in fact it was smarter for her to use the momentum to her advantage.
Even supposing that the hooks, the wires and the anchoring are strong enough (this could work if somehow a hundred of those hit at the very exact time, very hard to happen though), her own flesh would probably rip off, which in her case it would have been more desirable than being captured given her regenerative abilities and all.

So well, I can't think that Irwin's plan was well devised anymore, it shouldn't have worked realistically speaking.

well same with haulings cannons 20 meters up but hey .

I do feel this is nitpicking a bit much on the physics. Because if you want to talk about it like this, 3D maneuver in general isn't a practical solution. Especially with the speed, angling and momentum, most soldiers would have their faces splattered on walls and trees during training way before even graduating, and even if you are really good, no one's perfect and one mistake at all and you are dead. Not to mention the Levi spin kills would just be impossible.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by hyper_oats

Irwin probably planned to use the forest first, but it's silly to assume that he wouldn't have any other contingencies if it couldn't be used. You'd need a place to hide the harpoons, like a village. Eren could be used to fight if there were more than one titan.

The contingency plan, if the forest had been unreachable, was probably "screw it, we're running home". But note that he was willing to accept heavy losses to get to that forest.

The problem with using a village is that it would involve leaving men in reach of Titans for hours or more, waiting for the time to spring the ambush. There's no way that'd end well.

[hyper_oats]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

The contingency plan, if the forest had been unreachable, was probably "screw it, we're running home". But note that he was willing to accept heavy losses to get to that forest.

The problem with using a village is that it would involve leaving men in reach of Titans for hours or more, waiting for the time to spring the ambush. There's no way that'd end well.

Considering the female titan caught up to Eren after first approaching from the wrong direction, there's no way running would work. Also, if Irwin was willing to accept heavy losses to spring the trap in the forest, he'd be willing to do the same in a village too. I don't see how a village is any more inherently dangerous than a forest either. You can use the buildings for 3DMG and climbing. There's also no way that they would be waiting for hours in either case. I doubt it took more than an hour for the female titan to find Eren after her encounter with Armin.

[Traece]

"So you mean you didn't deliberately turn into a Titan without permission?!"

No. He was going to kill you with the spoon. You're lucky you got away with your life!

A small village doesn't give them the environment they need to setup a trap like this. Not only does the forest give them the perfect setup for 3D Maneuver Gear, but it's dark and allows for things to be easily hidden. Just as well, the forest creates a bottleneck and a situation that allows for no interference. No other titans get in, just the human titan. Because she's at such a disadvantage she didn't see the ambush coming, and because they have all of this cover and darkness they could hide troops and weapons and wait for a target they knew would show up. If it had been an open location like a village, Levi may not have gone there.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by hyper_oats

Considering the female titan caught up to Eren after first approaching from the wrong direction, there's no way running would work. Also, if Irwin was willing to accept heavy losses to spring the trap in the forest, he'd be willing to do the same in a village too. I don't see how a village is any more inherently dangerous than a forest either. You can use the buildings for 3DMG and climbing. There's also no way that they would be waiting for hours in either case. I doubt it took more than an hour for the female titan to find Eren after her encounter with Armin.

A village would lack the really tall buildings to get out of Titan reach. (15m class means what, 6 stories? more if you count arm length.)

And they'd have to go before the expedition even leaves, set up the ambush, and wait for the FT to arrive, which may never happen. That'd take a lot more than "one hour".

[jeroz]

Originally Posted by Traece

"So you mean you didn't deliberately turn into a Titan without permission?!"

No. He was going to kill you with the spoon. You're lucky you got away with your life!.

Getting spooned to death by a big man, not sure if ideal

[Cookie-Monster]

New to the show.

Watched all 19 episodes in a row.

Was pretty good but something feels *off* about it. Its a little too preachy preachy for my taste. Would be nice if it was slightly darker and more sinister in tone. A basilisk type tone in the titan would would be really cool. Also levi annoys the f*ck out of me. Hes like a nerdy Itachi wannabe.

As for episode 19, why didn't the female titan kill Armin? Why did she spare him twice?

Also is it wrong to be turned on by a 100 foot moster woman with no skin who is built like a 100-M runner ?

[Chomiq]

Originally Posted by Cookie-Monster

New to the show.
As for episode 19, why didn't the female titan kill Armin? Why did she spare him twice?

I think i know this one.

Since female titan shown we all speculate that this is one of the Armins friend. If you want to know who, check other topics from like 16 or 17 episode. If you want to guess, try. You should know it if you watched all episodes. Try to watch them all like 2-10 times more i did !

[Cookie-Monster]

Originally Posted by Chomiq

I think i know this one.

Since female titan shown we all speculate that this is one of the Armins friend. If you want to know who, check other topics from like 16 or 17 episode. If you want to guess, try. You should know it if you watched all episodes. Try to watch them all like 2-10 times more i did !

hmm

Is it

Spoiler for possible spoiler:

Is it annie? The female titan sort of looks like her.

[Guido]

If this episode has reminded me about life is that whatever decision I make for myself could greatly affect me not all, or in the short-term, or in the long term.

In fact, the attitude that one takes facing something is also a powerful factor that influences one's own decision.

Eren faced a moral dilemma and got himself torn at a crossroads end. Surprisingly for him, Levi let him to make a choice without interfering.

The carnage continues unabated; the Female Titan keeps on pursuit and nobody can stop her. Eren is becoming fed up, because no one tries to lend a helping hand to the comrades that keep on dying at the hands of the Female Titan. Anxiety, despair, helplessness, and fear crossed the breaking point, so Eren chose not to have anymore of that.

Eren steels himself to transform into his Titan form, but members of the Survey Corps: Petra, Oluo, Eldo, all urge him to have faith in them, his comrades.

This prompts on Eren to have a flashback about a month ago.

From the flashback I learned Eren transformations require two triggers: self-inflicted damage done to yourself, as long as you picture and focus steadily on a goal with your mind.

Of course, Eren's accidental transformation from before quite gave a bit of an unnecessary traumatizing effect for the rest of the Survey Corps. veterans. If Eren were in their place, no doubt he would have reacted with hatred and hostility.

The points are that:
1. If one makes a mistake at the first turn or first move, then it can turn into quite a disastrous mess.

2. Never breaking off formation. All start the expedition together, hence, there's no other way but to carry on the expedition together, and, if it comes to worst, all dying together.

3. Have faith not in beliefs, stories, miracles, or prayers, but in both your own self and in the people closest towards you.


The end result was for the Survey Corps playing their wild card in order to capture the Female Titan, at the cost of their comrades' lives who fell for the purpose of the deceased buying time for Erwin and the rest to make their unsuspecting and unexpected move against the Titan.

Now, all that's left is to completely subdue the Female Titan, and they find out who is inside controlling its body.

Unfortunately, if I have to take a guess from judging the preview for the twentieth episode, not all events are going to come smoothly and act according to plan.

[Archon_Wing]

Yikes, what the hell happened to the animation here?

I can't really say it was pleasant to watch and felt an urge to just fast forward some parts; I understand the need for exposition, but the way this series does it is quite the cockblock. It just gives me the feeling of "ugh, hurry the fuck up". I don't know, this remains a thing with this show and that is that it cannot thrive without momentum.

[jeroz]

they relocate their resources to the crucial episode that will require a lot of animation effort.

[frodonk]

Originally Posted by Cookie-Monster

hmm

Is it

Spoiler for possible spoiler:

Is it annie? The female titan sort of looks like her.

haha, if only we could answer you, anime viewers are debating about this, and manga readers have been keeping it in and trying very very hard not to spoil it for everyone, this topic has been a point of contention for many episodes now.

as for me, I'm an anime viewer so I could only say that your guess is as good as everybody else. and we will be seeing who it is very soon