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Whoa, here I was expecting to see maybe a spoiler pic, yet the whole chapter is out now!

-Chapter title is "Dog vs. Cat". Ministory features the Water 7 gang.

-Franky's group are too late in realizing the samurai slipped past them. As they scramble to search for the two, the monkey mink from before is already ringing an alarm bell, alerting the whole island. All of the minks, the two leaders included, are all in an uproar....

-Meanwhile, Kinemon and Kanjurou have already met up with Momonosuke, who seems to have been hiding out in his room. However, as the minks frantically search for the samurai, both Inuarashi and Nekumamushi finally encounter each other.... and it's not pretty. They both remember the injuries they sustained fighting Jack's forces, and, their tension reaching its peak, begin to fight each other! The Straw-Hats all manage to find the samurai and try to take them back to the Sunny, but Kinemon calls out for the two mink leaders to stop fighting.....

-He introduces himself as a retainer of the Kougetsu clan, and announces that he came searching for Raizou. After hearing this, the minks..... all bow down and tell him that Raizou is safe! As it turns out, it was all a big misunderstanding! They have no animosity towards samurai.... on the contrary, they consider the Kougetsu clans as family! And despite the horrible injuries they sustained, they would never rat out their friends to the enemy, even if it meant risking the country's destruction....!!!!

Oh, and.... NO CHAPTER NEXT WEEK!

Diluc · 2016-02-10, 10:07

Indeed
that really whole fast scanlation, what drinks those fella in scanlation group dranks?

also speaking Holy plot twist

Stark700 · 2016-02-10, 10:36

Oh wow, that plot twist with the minks. Wasn't expecting that.

Yeah, looks like the series is on break next week.

marvelB · 2016-02-10, 10:37

Welp, minks and samurai are friends after all! Ain't that swell?

Perhaps not quite as eventful as the past few chapters, but at least that misunderstanding's been put out of the way.

~Yami~ · 2016-02-10, 12:01

I enjoyed the first page though... about how the Laguna shipmakers are surprised after seeing Franky's bounty

well... the plot twist is huge though.. to think that the name of Raizou and Samurai actually could stop the fight between cat and dog

I got trolled again by Oda-sensei

Gilly · 2016-02-10, 12:14

Well. Way to kill the tension. Turns out Straw Hats' worries were for naught.

But now I really want to know what makes Raizou so important that the Dukes are willing to risk everything for his sake. Want to know what would make a good twist, in my opinion? If Raizou turned out to have a DF with the power to charm, control or otherwise make people loyal to him, and he used the Minks as a shield.

J4n1 · 2016-02-10, 12:57

That, was awesome.

marvelB · 2016-02-10, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Gilly

Want to know what would make a good twist, in my opinion? If Raizou turned out to have a DF with the power to charm, control or otherwise make people loyal to him, and he used the Minks as a shield.

So.... basically, Hancock's power minus the petrification?

The Small One · 2016-02-10, 13:43

I'm more interessted in where exactly the minks hid Raizou. Besides fightign, Jack's army did also search for him, didn't they? So in a normal place they should have found him.

But I'd like to see what DF power he has as well. After all, all the samurais we've met had one.

marvelB · 2016-02-10, 13:59

BTW, when the leaders were fighting, I bet Cat Viper wanted nothing more than to kick that dog off a table....!

Randrak42 · 2016-02-10, 14:10

I have to admit...that twist really caught me by surprise! My jaw dropped by the end of the chapter.
Well played Oda, well freaking played.

ZGoten · 2016-02-10, 14:27

Phucking Goda did it again.

Ravagerblade · 2016-02-10, 14:31

Meh, it's not that surprising to me. Boring chapter to me, and now I have to wait an extra week for another chapter. Yay :/

Wandering Soul · 2016-02-10, 15:05

Wasn't expecting that twist. Oda got me good.

itachi-san314 · 2016-02-10, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Randrak42

I have to admit...that twist really caught me by surprise! My jaw dropped by the end of the chapter.
Well played Oda, well freaking played.

Yes, that was awesome. He timed the tension between neko and inu perfectly. top notch storytelling right there. fantastic chapter.

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Originally Posted by ~Yami~

I enjoyed the first page though... about how the Laguna shipmakers are surprised after seeing Franky's bounty

I think they were more surprised by the picture

BPD Renegade · 2016-02-10, 16:19

I felt that the entire "plot" centered around everyone hiding Momo, etc. for the past few weeks was weak, and the fact that it led to this "twist" makes it weaker. Sure, it was a surprise, but it seems more like Oda wanted to show the relationship between Zou and the Kougetsu clan but didn't know how to go about it, and so he decided to rely on this roundabout method to "shock" us. It just doesn't seem like a very clever way to go about it. I've been liking Zou, but this particular subplot just irks me. At least it's finally out of the way now so we're not going to have these needless, "Oh no! Hide the samurai!" scenes shoved at us every few pages anymore.

OH&S · 2016-02-10, 16:36

I went into this chapter blind without spoilers.

Thoroughly impressed.

Oda had me believing the worst: half baked chapter with samurai tension and dog/cat rivalries. But starting with that hilarious title page, everything led to one of the best reveals and plot twists in One Piece. I was wide eyed and gobsmacked when i read it: such a brilliant and complete betrayal of any expectations and predictions I had for this plotline. I was smiling as much as Luffy in the last panel by the end.

Hats off once again, Oda!

ZGoten · 2016-02-10, 17:35

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Originally Posted by BPD Renegade

I felt that the entire "plot" centered around everyone hiding Momo, etc. for the past few weeks was weak, and the fact that it led to this "twist" makes it weaker.

I agree that that particular subplot regarding Momonosuke's hideout and the delayed arrival of the Samurai was rather weak, but this surprise ending to it makes it a lot better, not weaker. I vastly prefer this option over the expected outcome of the Minks going against the Samurai and even the Strawhats. I would have hated that turn of events, which is, I guess, why I like this surprise so much.

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Sure, it was a surprise, but it seems more like Oda wanted to show the relationship between Zou and the Kougetsu clan but didn't know how to go about it, and so he decided to rely on this roundabout method to "shock" us.

I don't think Oda didn't know how to go about showing the relationship between the two people. Rather I think he postponed doing that, because he wanted to focus on showing Jack's ruthlessness first, as well as set up the subplot involving Sanji. It's clear that both Jack and Whole Cake Island are going to be very important soon. Oda wanted to set up those elements before turning the story over to the Kougetsu and their relation to the Zou residents. Sure, he could have done so without the constant reminder that the Samurai's presence may cause trouble, but my guess is Oda just figured he might as well shock us if he's going to delay that part of the arc. Plus the Mink's denial helped establish Jack's characterization.

J4n1 · 2016-02-10, 18:05

Yeah, i was fearing for extended drama about something Samurais had no power over, but instead i got a heartwarming tale of loyalty and friendship.

Now we can skip lot of pointless drama and move on to either rescuing Sanji or working on the ninja subplot.

Gintokifan22 · 2016-02-10, 18:54

Wow, an early chapter. Was not expecting that. The chapter itself was rather boring in my opinion, maybe the Anime can make it better, maybe I said. I was hoping we'd know if Luffy was going solo or not to save Shinji, great now we have to wait a while longer to find out >>

2016-02-10, 10:03	Link #1
marvelB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	One Piece - Chapter 816 [manga] Welcome to the weekly manga discussion thread for One Piece. Thread Guidelines One Piece is licensed by Viz, please don't ask for or mention where to find or download the manga. Please do not discuss scanlations, translation groups, etc., etc. Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum. Discuss your expectations of the chapter if it has not been published yet. Posting a synopses or summary is fine (and welcome). Be polite to your fellow forum members. Please try to keep the discussion on topic. Spoilers will not be policed in this thread, so if you haven't read the chapter yet, just stay out if you don't want to read spoilers. Remember that the manga is licensed, do not post significant parts of the chapter. This includes images, scripts and direct translations of the manga. Summaries are OK, crops of pictures are OK (only if you need to illustrate your point) but this is it. Whoa, here I was expecting to see maybe a spoiler pic, yet the whole chapter is out now! -Chapter title is "Dog vs. Cat". Ministory features the Water 7 gang. -Franky's group are too late in realizing the samurai slipped past them. As they scramble to search for the two, the monkey mink from before is already ringing an alarm bell, alerting the whole island. All of the minks, the two leaders included, are all in an uproar.... -Meanwhile, Kinemon and Kanjurou have already met up with Momonosuke, who seems to have been hiding out in his room. However, as the minks frantically search for the samurai, both Inuarashi and Nekumamushi finally encounter each other.... and it's not pretty. They both remember the injuries they sustained fighting Jack's forces, and, their tension reaching its peak, begin to fight each other! The Straw-Hats all manage to find the samurai and try to take them back to the Sunny, but Kinemon calls out for the two mink leaders to stop fighting..... -He introduces himself as a retainer of the Kougetsu clan, and announces that he came searching for Raizou. After hearing this, the minks..... all bow down and tell him that Raizou is safe! As it turns out, it was all a big misunderstanding! They have no animosity towards samurai.... on the contrary, they consider the Kougetsu clans as family! And despite the horrible injuries they sustained, they would never rat out their friends to the enemy, even if it meant risking the country's destruction....!!!! Oh, and.... NO CHAPTER NEXT WEEK! Last edited by marvelB; 2016-02-10 at 10:35.

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Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Oh wow, that plot twist with the minks. Wasn't expecting that. Yeah, looks like the series is on break next week. __________________

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ZGoten Custom User Title Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Age: 34	Phucking Goda did it again. __________________ Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes.

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Ravagerblade The Fearless Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: "United" States	Meh, it's not that surprising to me. Boring chapter to me, and now I have to wait an extra week for another chapter. Yay :/ __________________ “No, I don’t get it at all. I may claim to ‘understand’ Othinus, but I only know her as a girl. I don’t understand anything when it comes to her being a Magic God.” - Touma NT13

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Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	Wasn't expecting that twist. Oda got me good. __________________

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Diluc Darkhero of Monstadt Join Date: May 2015 Location: rich mansion with maids	Indeed that really whole fast scanlation, what drinks those fella in scanlation group dranks? also speaking Holy plot twist

2016-02-10, 10:37	Link #4
marvelB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Welp, minks and samurai are friends after all! Ain't that swell? Perhaps not quite as eventful as the past few chapters, but at least that misunderstanding's been put out of the way.

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~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	I enjoyed the first page though... about how the Laguna shipmakers are surprised after seeing Franky's bounty well... the plot twist is huge though.. to think that the name of Raizou and Samurai actually could stop the fight between cat and dog I got trolled again by Oda-sensei

2016-02-10, 12:14	Link #6
Gilly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014	Well. Way to kill the tension. Turns out Straw Hats' worries were for naught. But now I really want to know what makes Raizou so important that the Dukes are willing to risk everything for his sake. Want to know what would make a good twist, in my opinion? If Raizou turned out to have a DF with the power to charm, control or otherwise make people loyal to him, and he used the Minks as a shield.

2016-02-10, 12:57	Link #7
J4n1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013	That, was awesome.

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The Small One Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Germany	I'm more interessted in where exactly the minks hid Raizou. Besides fightign, Jack's army did also search for him, didn't they? So in a normal place they should have found him. But I'd like to see what DF power he has as well. After all, all the samurais we've met had one.

2016-02-10, 13:59	Link #10
marvelB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	BTW, when the leaders were fighting, I bet Cat Viper wanted nothing more than to kick that dog off a table....!

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Randrak42 ANEGO Worshiper Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: By the vending machine, drinking tea.	I have to admit...that twist really caught me by surprise! My jaw dropped by the end of the chapter. Well played Oda, well freaking played.

2016-02-10, 16:19	Link #16
BPD Renegade Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: at port, docked	I felt that the entire "plot" centered around everyone hiding Momo, etc. for the past few weeks was weak, and the fact that it led to this "twist" makes it weaker. Sure, it was a surprise, but it seems more like Oda wanted to show the relationship between Zou and the Kougetsu clan but didn't know how to go about it, and so he decided to rely on this roundabout method to "shock" us. It just doesn't seem like a very clever way to go about it. I've been liking Zou, but this particular subplot just irks me. At least it's finally out of the way now so we're not going to have these needless, "Oh no! Hide the samurai!" scenes shoved at us every few pages anymore.

2016-02-10, 16:36	Link #17
OH&S Index III was a mistake Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 32	I went into this chapter blind without spoilers. Thoroughly impressed. Oda had me believing the worst: half baked chapter with samurai tension and dog/cat rivalries. But starting with that hilarious title page, everything led to one of the best reveals and plot twists in One Piece. I was wide eyed and gobsmacked when i read it: such a brilliant and complete betrayal of any expectations and predictions I had for this plotline. I was smiling as much as Luffy in the last panel by the end. Hats off once again, Oda! __________________

2016-02-10, 18:05	Link #19
J4n1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013	Yeah, i was fearing for extended drama about something Samurais had no power over, but instead i got a heartwarming tale of loyalty and friendship. Now we can skip lot of pointless drama and move on to either rescuing Sanji or working on the ninja subplot. Last edited by J4n1; 2016-02-11 at 03:30.

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Gintokifan22 Gintoki fan Join Date: Apr 2013	Wow, an early chapter. Was not expecting that. The chapter itself was rather boring in my opinion, maybe the Anime can make it better, maybe I said. I was hoping we'd know if Luffy was going solo or not to save Shinji, great now we have to wait a while longer to find out >> __________________ Fullmetal Alchemest - Ed fan. Inazuma Eleven - Endou fan. Marchen Awakens Romance - Ginta fan. KS Dadesico - Akito fan. Gintama - Gintoki. Yugioh Arc V - Yuya fan. Boruto fan. Lupin fan. Pairings I support : Ed x winry. Ash x Serena. Endou x Natsumi. Ginta x Dorothy fan. Luffy x Hancock. Akito x Yurika fan. Gintoki x Tysuki. Boruto X Sumire.