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ReddyRedWolf · 2016-03-12, 15:40

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Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Just when did Pina do this? I honestly don't remember her ever saying anything of the sort.

Never happened in the anime but in the manga. Not genocide per se just that she'll ruin his kingdom if he doesn't help her. The crippled guy called her bluff.

TheRealWinston · 2016-03-12, 15:54

Am I the only one, who was imagining Pina getting raped?

Anyway, can't wait to see the next episode.
One of my predictions is, that the imparial soldiers will surrender.

rladls2121 · 2016-03-12, 17:22

The way the SDF soldiers are patiently or impatiently waiting for their orders from the Prime Minister to take off, I think the scene rather speak our minds, and to get to the scene we are all actually waiting for on the next episode.

We have seen enough fights with swords and spears after all, and no magic fight at all?(No, I'm not talking about those two sisters who fought each other for pointless reasons that broke some people's house in Rondel).

But I think this time SDF will truly shut down the Empire and cease the whole political system not to deal this kind of mess again unlike just bombing the buildings last time, and there's that Pina's and Zorzal's step-brother might be scheming something.

Anh_Minh · 2016-03-12, 18:30

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As soon as her plans involved innocent people, all sympathy for her is gone. Yes, her revenge is bloated for targeting people who were not involved in the first place. She is no better than modern day terrorists.

You don't take down a country without hurting civilians. Just look at our wars.

thundrakkon · 2016-03-12, 18:34

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Does this justify harming innocent people just for revenge? Our wars have been to try and minimize civilian casualties whenever possible. They are not a target like what Tyuule is doing right now.

Brother Coa · 2016-03-12, 19:05

There is a difference between unfortunate casualties of war and deliberate an planned slaughter of people.

Tyuule with her revenge just got to the later. She and Zorzal both deserve nothing more than bullet to the head.

germanturkey · 2016-03-12, 19:07

i cannot wait for bunny to get her comeuppance.

Anh_Minh · 2016-03-12, 19:09

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Does this justify harming innocent people just for revenge? Our wars have been to try and minimize civilian casualties whenever possible. They are not a target like what Tyuule is doing right now.

I don't know about "just for revenge". I'll point out that:
- while we have a "live and let live" attitude with most dictatorships, if we wanted to sell the war against the Empire because of all its evil, we could.
- she'd never have gotten that far if the Empire wasn't such a piece of shit in the first place. All she's done is turn a fraction of the Empire's brutality against itself. (And yes, there was that thing with Noriko, but that failed.)

thundrakkon · 2016-03-12, 21:09

@Anh_Minh

I'm not sure if your reply is really countering my reply. It feels like we're at a tangent.

I do agree with your first point, but that does not correlate with Tyuule's revenge or justify her targeting civilians.

She has gotten this far because this is the type of society she lives in. Actually, she wouldn't have gotten this far at all if it was anyone else besides Zorzal. Everyone in the capital will not take in animal person as a slave. It was Zorzal's unique tastes there. The empire has and did kill innocent civilians, as shown during the initial invasion into Tokyo, so they eventually have to pay for their atrocities, especially in the leadership. However, that does not justify killing their civilians as part of that retribution.

Noriko is not the only one harmed. Sherry is very much a civilian and very much a child that Tyuule's agenda is going after as well. Actually, I'm not really sure which topic you are discussing at this point.

eisai_haramasukoi · 2016-03-12, 21:20

The Rose Knights just got possessed by the souls of the 300 Spartans.

Am I the only one who watched that last scene w/o sounds while playing Medal of Honor's theme?

But seriously, the wait is killing me.

I hope next episode, the parachutes will block the Empire's sun.

Yan3242 · 2016-03-12, 21:46

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This is why JSDF was sent to liberate this oppressed people, and to introduce them to new way of life - the way of freedom and democracy.

Nah thats murica way, jsdf will raze down the empire and tell pina to make new empire instead because the current one is beyond saving.

And order zorzal and tyuule to commit seppuku

eisai_haramasukoi · 2016-03-12, 22:18

America: Here comes freedom and democracy.
Japan: Here comes samurai and otaku.

Cloudedmind · 2016-03-12, 22:54

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America: Here comes "freedom" and "democracy".
Japan: Here comes samurai and otaku.

There I fixed it for you.

We all know that "freedom" and "democracy", would pretty much be defined by what America tells them it is.

rladls2121 · 2016-03-13, 00:53

Whichever the way the JSDF is going to liberate, it is still hard to watch the current Empire's situation.
Either America and Japan, as of now is rather way better than the very old ways Empire is living in the Special Region.
Someone still has to and wants to do something about this because many people are suffering after all, I still don't know about what kind of change is the best way though, I expect some new problems that are beyond handling even after liberation.

Yan3242 · 2016-03-13, 01:58

I dont think its going to be that complicated anyway.

This is no different from the usual empire conquering other town, only this time its sdf.

Those empire people still thinking in medieval way so they just follow and kneel to whoever "stronger", there may be politic and stuff but they still live and think of the old ways, so everything is more or less black white. Which make it even easier for japan later.

Anh_Minh · 2016-03-13, 02:34

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

@Anh_Minh

I'm not sure if your reply is really countering my reply. It feels like we're at a tangent.

I do agree with your first point, but that does not correlate with Tyuule's revenge or justify her targeting civilians.

She has gotten this far because this is the type of society she lives in. Actually, she wouldn't have gotten this far at all if it was anyone else besides Zorzal. Everyone in the capital will not take in animal person as a slave. It was Zorzal's unique tastes there. The empire has and did kill innocent civilians, as shown during the initial invasion into Tokyo, so they eventually have to pay for their atrocities, especially in the leadership. However, that does not justify killing their civilians as part of that retribution.

Noriko is not the only one harmed. Sherry is very much a civilian and very much a child that Tyuule's agenda is going after as well. Actually, I'm not really sure which topic you are discussing at this point.

My point is that the Empire literally brought that upon itself. It isn't Tyulle's troops who are massacring people - it's imperial troops, loyal to the Empire. As for Sherry, Tyulle sent her own right hand to protect her. (Not out of any concern for her personally, I know.) It's Imperial-style politics that killed her parents and endangered her. Her parents who, while nominally peaceful people, are part of the ruling caste of an evil, enslaving, conquering empire.

thundrakkon · 2016-03-13, 02:49

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It is actually one segment, and a small segment, of the troops that make up the Oprichnina, who are the ones doing the massacring. The normal troops actually are not too thrilled about doing any of this, but they fear for their lives if they disobey. This again, is the fault of leadership, which will eventually have to pay for their actions.

The only reason Tyuule sent Bouro was a set up to cause the empire to battle against the JSDF. It was really not to protect her at all.

The empire usually would not hurt their own citizens at all. It's Tyuule manipulations that invented a law that created the Oprichnina to allow the killing of its own citizens for any reasons.

As for conquering, well, that's on leadership again. They decide to do it or not. The citizens are not at fault their emperor wants to conquer, so why are they to blame and allowed to be murdered for the sake of Tyuule's revenge? What justification does she have to do evil to others that are not even involved?

Sure, leadership can be accused of bringing it upon themselves, but the empire itself cannot be put to blame. That's genocide you're talking about.

quigonkenny · 2016-03-13, 03:45

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Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Sure, leadership can be accused of bringing it upon themselves, but the empire itself cannot be put to blame. That's genocide you're talking about.

More like collective guilt. An idea that should have died a long time ago along with debtor's prison and children serving time for the crimes of their fathers and grandfathers, but is still fairly popular among some because of the political power it carries.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2016-03-13, 04:05

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

You don't take down a country without hurting civilians. Just look at our wars.

She isn't fighting a war. She wants the destruction of the entire Empire. If she wants to fight a war she could just kill the prince.

There is big difference between justice and revenge. She crossed way past justice into revenge when she wants the annihilation of the country.

rladls2121 · 2016-03-13, 04:16

I thought without hurting civilians is possible in this series since modern world possessing technology that is heaven and earth difference compared to the Special Region.

But SDF still not using the very current models of weapons and using old models to as disposables because it saves money was it?

I wonder if Japan had some change of heart as time passed, exploring the place, politicians receiving many kinds of reports about their unknown world?
Their objective was not originally to make deep relation with other countries in the beginning they set foot on the Special Region was it?

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2016-03-12, 17:22	Link #43
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	The way the SDF soldiers are patiently or impatiently waiting for their orders from the Prime Minister to take off, I think the scene rather speak our minds, and to get to the scene we are all actually waiting for on the next episode. We have seen enough fights with swords and spears after all, and no magic fight at all?(No, I'm not talking about those two sisters who fought each other for pointless reasons that broke some people's house in Rondel). But I think this time SDF will truly shut down the Empire and cease the whole political system not to deal this kind of mess again unlike just bombing the buildings last time, and there's that Pina's and Zorzal's step-brother might be scheming something. Last edited by rladls2121; 2016-03-12 at 17:34.

2016-03-12, 18:34	Link #45
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Quote Originally Posted by Anh_Minh Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Does this justify harming innocent people just for revenge? Our wars have been to try and minimize civilian casualties whenever possible. They are not a target like what Tyuule is doing right now. __________________

2016-03-12, 19:07	Link #47
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	i cannot wait for bunny to get her comeuppance. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

2016-03-12, 21:09	Link #49
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	@Anh_Minh I'm not sure if your reply is really countering my reply. It feels like we're at a tangent. I do agree with your first point, but that does not correlate with Tyuule's revenge or justify her targeting civilians. She has gotten this far because this is the type of society she lives in. Actually, she wouldn't have gotten this far at all if it was anyone else besides Zorzal. Everyone in the capital will not take in animal person as a slave. It was Zorzal's unique tastes there. The empire has and did kill innocent civilians, as shown during the initial invasion into Tokyo, so they eventually have to pay for their atrocities, especially in the leadership. However, that does not justify killing their civilians as part of that retribution. Noriko is not the only one harmed. Sherry is very much a civilian and very much a child that Tyuule's agenda is going after as well. Actually, I'm not really sure which topic you are discussing at this point. __________________

2016-03-12, 15:54	Link #42
TheRealWinston Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Austria	Am I the only one, who was imagining Pina getting raped? Anyway, can't wait to see the next episode. One of my predictions is, that the imparial soldiers will surrender.

2016-03-12, 19:05	Link #46
Brother Coa Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Holy Terra	There is a difference between unfortunate casualties of war and deliberate an planned slaughter of people. Tyuule with her revenge just got to the later. She and Zorzal both deserve nothing more than bullet to the head.

2016-03-12, 21:20	Link #50
eisai_haramasukoi Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014	The Rose Knights just got possessed by the souls of the 300 Spartans. Am I the only one who watched that last scene w/o sounds while playing Medal of Honor's theme? But seriously, the wait is killing me. I hope next episode, the parachutes will block the Empire's sun.

2016-03-12, 22:18	Link #52
eisai_haramasukoi Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014	America: Here comes freedom and democracy. Japan: Here comes samurai and otaku.

2016-03-13, 00:53	Link #54
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	Whichever the way the JSDF is going to liberate, it is still hard to watch the current Empire's situation. Either America and Japan, as of now is rather way better than the very old ways Empire is living in the Special Region. Someone still has to and wants to do something about this because many people are suffering after all, I still don't know about what kind of change is the best way though, I expect some new problems that are beyond handling even after liberation.

2016-03-13, 01:58	Link #55
Yan3242 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014	I dont think its going to be that complicated anyway. This is no different from the usual empire conquering other town, only this time its sdf. Those empire people still thinking in medieval way so they just follow and kneel to whoever "stronger", there may be politic and stuff but they still live and think of the old ways, so everything is more or less black white. Which make it even easier for japan later.

2016-03-13, 02:49	Link #57
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	Quote Originally Posted by Anh_Minh Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? It is actually one segment, and a small segment, of the troops that make up the Oprichnina, who are the ones doing the massacring. The normal troops actually are not too thrilled about doing any of this, but they fear for their lives if they disobey. This again, is the fault of leadership, which will eventually have to pay for their actions. The only reason Tyuule sent Bouro was a set up to cause the empire to battle against the JSDF. It was really not to protect her at all. The empire usually would not hurt their own citizens at all. It's Tyuule manipulations that invented a law that created the Oprichnina to allow the killing of its own citizens for any reasons. As for conquering, well, that's on leadership again. They decide to do it or not. The citizens are not at fault their emperor wants to conquer, so why are they to blame and allowed to be murdered for the sake of Tyuule's revenge? What justification does she have to do evil to others that are not even involved? Sure, leadership can be accused of bringing it upon themselves, but the empire itself cannot be put to blame. That's genocide you're talking about. __________________

2016-03-13, 04:16	Link #60
rladls2121 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: California(Current).	I thought without hurting civilians is possible in this series since modern world possessing technology that is heaven and earth difference compared to the Special Region. But SDF still not using the very current models of weapons and using old models to as disposables because it saves money was it? I wonder if Japan had some change of heart as time passed, exploring the place, politicians receiving many kinds of reports about their unknown world? Their objective was not originally to make deep relation with other countries in the beginning they set foot on the Special Region was it?