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Log Horizon: 2011 Overlord: 2012 Death March: 2013 [EDIT] I get that SAO isn't technically an Isekai but it's not really that much of stretch to go from "Trapped in a fantasy-like game" to "Trapped in a game-like fantasy". Someone at some point may have been the first one to make that leap, but i'd still say SAO is the biggest influence. Also there's more to modern isekai than just the game element. There's also the bullshit escapism and male powered fantasy part of it and it's not difficult to see that coming from SAO as well (although SAO wasn't as bad with it). I only watched the first episode of Log Horizon so i don't really know anything about it but none of that BS ever came across to me in the first episode, though granted none of that BS became apparent in SAO either until later on. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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2018-07-15, 07:17 | Link #22 | |
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When it come to world building and game system, SAO is actually quite well thought out. We see that in SAO the status is not even shown and less reliance on the system rather than the skill of players itself. Kirito is OP, but not Rudeus OP. SAO simply have lower upper ceiling compare to MT. In MT, the school arc portraited the OPness of MT in it's highest height, with Rudeus is practically invincible compare to normal humans, he doesn't seem as OP as Kirito simply because the ceiling is much higher. Purely by world building and battle scene, i rate MT far below SAO. Game + Isekai is LH reponsibility, like the above said, it also what cause the genre of players being vastly superior to original inhabitants. |
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- Isekai Meikyuu de Dorei Harem wo (Teleported + RPG/Game Mechanics) - Mushoku Tensei (Reincarnated) The former has more incarnations Simply because Mushoku Tensei is superbly written and not anyone can replicate it's greatness Meanwhile, Slave Harem in the Labyrinth of the Other World is a complete shit of literature Yet, it's very popular in spite of that But these 2 are inspired by SAO for the reason Haak said What if instead of Fake Isekai (VR Game), we just go all the way with Real Isekai? Isekai was there since Alice in Wonderland, but what resuscitated it perfectly was SAO
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2018-07-15, 10:00 | Link #27 |
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For the record, we keep talking about Mushoku Tensei but when did that come out again? Wikipedia says 2012 but there were Isekai even earlier than that: Outbreak Company (2011) and Gate (2010) spring to mind immediately. Sure, they weren't the "Truck-sama induced" variety of Isekai but still. In fact, Gate was being published as far back as 2006 apparently.
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Basically there are three (Five) , templates -LogHora (Overlord/Deathmarch) -Shieldbro -Mushouku
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2018-07-15, 10:50 | Link #31 |
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As am I? If SAO can be considered a legitimate origin I don't know why GATE or Outbreak Company can't. Is it not possible to acknowledge that both GATE and SAO had a combined effect? The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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GATE certainly have some effect by establishing niche sub-genre (modern weaponry vs Isekai), but it doesn't affect isekai genre at large.
SAO only effect is giving Mamare idea or courage go with new work and popularising Narou. But Isekai doesn't take elements from it. Putting that aside I really think Tate Yuusha and Tsuyokute New Saga (even if this one isn't isekai) are worthy mentioning as important cornestones of genre too
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I think it takes quite a few elements. Like I said, it's not big leap going from Western medieval fantasy-like game to Western medieval game-like fantasy and SAO did establish the "Kirito-archetype" of being a fucking badass with fucking OP stats slaying monsters and pussy alike. Modern Isekai didn't take a different template: It simply took the worst elements of SAO and dialled it up to eleven. I'd say Mushoku Tensei established the "reincarnated into the Isekai by the force of God/Truck-sama" element as well as the idea of growing up in the Isekai from childhood/birth. A significant addition but no more so than what SAO and GATE gave.
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Mighty whitey (or in this case Yellowey) was always strong trope, I don't think Gate is one who popularized it, but I don't insist it's the case. You might be right.
Same with Kirito, popularity of non descriptive badass protagonist may or might not be something SAO made common , but it's certainly not something unique to tensei/isekai. On that account SAO is around as related to genre as LOTR, ie it affected it in same way, it affected everything else. EDIT: After some thinking I dare say these pictures might be indeed "just concidence" after all. Tensei genre (where protagonist is human being,, that is) have usually blond/brown hair because pseudo europe, where isekai would obviouly go with "random japanese guy " design. I would go even so far to say that SAO just happen follow same logic as some of Isekai does, because, well it's fairly intuitive thing to do.
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So which isekai is responsible for the trend of having the main character spend the first 10 chapters of the series drooling over all the various isekai foods? And then eventually inventing soy sauce and miso which absolutely everyone in the new world loves (probably SAO with Asuna)?
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If I'm not mistaken, Gastronomy & Hygiene are deeply engrained into the Japanese Culture, so I can only guess people very into food inserted those elements into their stories...or else, Isekai Konyoku Monogatari wouldn't exist
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In order for the books to set a template, the books must be a massive success, which GATE or OC isn't, GATE is not bad and is actually the most successful title of alphapolis, but it's sale and popularity is above average at best compare to the novels of LN industry. While at the same time SAO is at the very top, SAO boom happened because SAO succeeded. The same issues apply to OC, OC never make it as big as SAO was, which is why it doesn't set the standard. OC also suffer from the same issues as GATE, which is the story nature only drew a lesser audiences base. The food trend, in my eyes is blamed on Souma, while food issues was there from the start, it get much worse when Souma introduced foodgasm. |
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Yakitate was a joke, Souma was what introduced the foodgasm, the trend of describing ingredients and process definitely come from Souma rather than Yakitate, but if you talk about food purely, then it's been there for quite a while, ever since the famous Chuuka ichiban and the earlier age of cooking manga it was always a things, Souma simply make the it more detailed in recent light. It actually is quite troublesome to pin down the origin in this case, since it have so much variation, in 1 things, i'd say even LH is a culprit to a certain extent with food taste being an actual plot point. Many author choose food to give the books a SoL part in the case the story is heavily actions, plot oriented also played in it's case
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