2021-04-12, 05:21 | Link #81 |
is this so?
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ok, so the next challenge for Vivy is a crazy ai who wants to drop a space hotel to earth. nice to see Vivy singing has improved, she has so many listeners now. also finds the little sis of her dead fan. looking forward to next week.
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2021-04-14, 08:26 | Link #82 |
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This is building. Hopefully to something worthwhile. My main interest lies from what Vivy will choose to do in the long run, given she's effectively been coerced into this scenario. Emotion is gradually seeping into her choices and actions. Matsumoto is purely reason/goal oriented. I'm not wowed, but I don't see any significant negative yet. Decent viewing for now.
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2021-04-17, 13:03 | Link #85 |
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A few other things... I rewatched episodes 3 and 4 to find the connections. They did a good job:
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So yeah, it's all there if you know to look. I love shows that do this kind of thing. Shows that know where they are going and do the extra work so you can look back and see that they knew where they were going.
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2021-04-17, 13:16 | Link #86 |
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We finally get the opening. While the song is great, the visuals are nothing special.
So much for my theory. The twin card is a little lame, but I should've caught the difference so I guess I can't complain. Unfortunately, it's likely that Estella will be blamed for this so that's 0-2. Looks like we're getting another time skip. Guess this is the end of bear Matsumoto.
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2021-04-17, 14:18 | Link #87 |
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More clues that Matsumoto is bad news. When he briefly connected to Estella's sister to install a virus, her emblem shown red for a moment, just like those crazy androids killing people at the beginning of episode 1. Other than that, his story still doesn't make any sense. He's supposedly trying to stall android evolution but he's doing no such thing. All the opposite, androids are evolving faster now. He blames Diva for that but he doesn't seem concerned at all. In fact, the same will happen after this incident since contrary to the original timeline, there was no casualties. In the original timeline the passengers died in the incident, which (according to Matsumoto) dealt a significant blow to android research and stalled their evolution. In the new timeline, Estella evacuated all the passengers. Even if she's blamed for the incident, the fact that she evacuated the passengers will lessen the negative impact on android research. Mind you, Matsumoto's plan was to disable Estella and avoid the incident altogether, but that would also have resulted in accelerating android evolution instead of stalling it.
My guess is that he's not really trying to stall android evolution at all. He's actually trying to accelerate it. And he's probably the master mind of the war between the androids and humanity.
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2021-04-17, 15:44 | Link #88 |
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I don't think Matsumoto is trying to accelerate the evolution of AIs. As it indicated in Episode 3, the reason it had chosen the crash of the Sunrise to be part of the Singularity Project is that the growth of Toak is a reason for why the AI war happens in the future. Preventing an incident that gave Toak fodder for its movement in no way contradicts his purported goal to stop the war in the future. Matsumoto directly indicated in that episode that the tradeoff this time in that he and Diva would not directly stall AI evolution would be worth it to prevent Toak's growth.
You say Matsumoto is not concerned, but it is a fact that it was Diva's words that led to Aikawa passing a law even more favourable to AIs than the AI naming law, which it stressed. You also have to consider the scope of Matsumoto's mission, which is just to intervene at select points in time in an attempt to change the future. I can see Matsumoto not getting tunnel vision on what happened in the past and deciding to instead focus on the present and the future. Granted, I do find it suspicious that Diva's emblem flashed red at one point in Episode 3, and she was shown trying to look for traces of Matsumoto and now with Elizabeth's emblem flashing red when he botched an attempt to install a virus. However, given that Matsumoto believes that Toak's growth is a huge factor in the war in the future and that Toak itself has shown that it will resort to violent means to achieve its directive by planning to crash the Sunrise Hotel into a coastal city to further its cause, I believe it's possible that it was Toak itself that uploaded viruses into AIs in the future, all to spark a global war against AIs. I just find it extremely unlikely that the professor in the future sent the very cause of the AI war back into the past as doing so would destroy the entire premise of Vivy, and that is why I cannot believe that Matsumoto is the endgame villain of this series. It would just not work and turn the show into a train wreck, and I do not believe this show will actually go into train wreck territory. |
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at the end all the issue are due to that organization, then real solution for the crise if him indeed wanted to prevent the war would be "kill all" the terrorists instead of let then go as he is keep doing, they are really to be blamed for all that crap because it's then which are doing all the mess which would start the war, it's making very suspicious.
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2021-04-17, 16:15 | Link #90 |
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I had already taken into account that scene when the information loaded into her. I'm not convinced by your argument. Even if the professor sent her all the information, for Diva to actually do anything about it, she'd need Matsumoto to tell her what the mission he is giving her is because she wouldn't be draw the conclusion on her own that the professor had sent her this information for her to save humanity. From what we could see from the information, there were no instructions for her to take on such a directive, meaning that Matsumoto is meant to tell her of that directive.
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basically could be just a malfunction which due too much info being loaded she could not get full gist of it and now the info is domant on her memory until something make it come back again. the professor didn't have time to send 2 times what was needed to help her, if him send her the direct info about what happened then where he get time to send the "bear" after the info, since we saw he have time to send only one thing in time and the full info come to her a good time "before matsumoto come" which could lead to him being send "later" or a second time, since they don't come at same time as we saw, if matsumoto had appeared during the time she was being loaded with all the info then it would make sense he being send by the professor but since he arrives later then it make things even more suspicious.
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2021-04-17, 17:11 | Link #92 |
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I think you're overthinking it. An explanation for why Matsumoto arrived later was hinted at by what it said. Matsumoto indicated that it almost died and didn't make it through to this era because the bandwidth of the era was so clogged up, and given that it is appears to be a super AI, there was probably a lot of data to transmit before Matsumoto had fully made it to the past in one piece.
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Maybe I'm thinking too much, but fiction writing is purpose-oriented so this is what makes the most sense to me. Quote:
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