Nanoha Manga Discussion

[arkhangelsk]

Originally Posted by Kikaifan

It seems like sort of a double standard to make the writers' problems exclusively the TSA's problems and not acknowledge that Terran tactics would be equally terrible in their hands.

Entirely agree the writers will screw up Terran tactics as well. That paragraph, however, was written from a SoD perspective. Sorry for not making that clearer.

[Mirificus]

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Actually, it does. She (and the authors in the magazine) apologized for the Ep16-17 farce

That was in Megami from what I remember. I remember Hayate apologizing in the article I hadn't realized that the authors apologized as well. Could you go into more detail about the apology?

but then they did the Ep21 farce (partially because there's no time left for a real turn even assuming the shortest feasible lag time), remember? A new apology definitely is necessary.

That's a less cynical way of looking at the writing for the Cradle battle. If its closer to what actually happened, it does make you wonder when and how writers realized that they screwed up and what they would have liked to have done differently WRT Hayate.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Often outright saying it is needed to convince or relay information propperly.

Yes, for people who can't take a hint.

"What?"

"SEX CHANGE DAMNIT!"

Originally Posted by Keroko

It annoys me that everyone goes 'StrikerS did this bad' 'StrikerS did that bad' whine whine whine.

And what happens when men behind the screen try to make amends? When they try to give an apolagy through another medium?

They still whine!

Yes! We know StrikerS did this and that bad, you all told us a thousand times! But now we get what you want, although through another medium. This means they realize they made a mistake. Yes, its too late, but guess what? you can't reverse mistakes! The best you can do is make amends, which is what they're doing. Learn to be happy with something for once!

Quit whinning about people whinning, maybe then you could see that I don't care what the writers' intentions are. That wasn't the point of my post. I only said that it was too little too late. Was it wrong? Was I wrong? I don't care if it's an apology or not, it still does nothing other than to officially confirm what we all were thinking.

I wasn't complaining that it was nothing, for I wasn't expecting anything to begin with at this point. I'm just saying it was nothing.

And until there's official word of some kind of continuation, it would remain as nothing.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

At the same time, it's not really true either. Uno's monologues specifically cited just the Type-Zeros as a optional capture candidate if possible, and the real priority were just Vivio.

Besides, considering that Erio was perfectly viable for capture in his situation, I think it's nothing more than a plot-device to make things consistent as Jail had cited great interest in Fate/Erio beforehand during the first RF6 mission, but suddenly got mellowed of that interest over Type-Zero in the attack with Tre/Sette only trying to persuade rather than capture as it was apparently not in mission-plan in the anime, only for Jail to be re interested again when Fate came bursting in.

They made it consistent, but considering the manga never really retconned the actual attack and mission itself, even if mildly so in the combat and Number's attempts over Project F subjects content, it's irrelevant.

Ive gotten really confused.Ether the manga writers or the anime story writers were smoking weeds

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Adr 00

Ive gotten really confused.Ether the manga writers or the anime story writers were smoking weeds

No, the scenario writer are the same for both. The artist is just drawing according to the outlines and script by the writer.

However, I believe the reason a mild contradiction in the anime and manga is due to the first reason being that if they make a mention of Erio and Fate's capture in the mission plan, it would not make sense that Erio gets owned by Deed but his capture is ignored when it's entirely plausible along with Tre and Sette not putting up that rigid effort for capture, as opposed to how capture was executed by the other Numbers for Ginga.

Though frankly, Erio being captured doesn't really make all that much of a difference. In fact, it'd add more emotional strength to the build-up, make Fate's hissy fits to Jail's taunts more believable, and without Garyuu/Erio to worry about, maybe the animation staff could've actually... bothered to do proper storyboarding for Lutecia and Caro's fight.

As for why it was mentioned in the manga, it was probably just an attempt to link Jail's fluctuating interest in his subjects which range from "hohoho I specifically mentioned Project F and was more interested in it than Type-0 in episode 4" but LOL "suddenly I don't care about F that much and want Vessel and Type-0 more than them in episode 16/17" to "AH~~~ I really wanted this strength~~~" on Fate in 25.

[Nemesis]

Now im really confused by this mess.

[Fuyu no Sora]

And now I'm laughing my head off by Nighty's post (don't take it badly Nighty. Just that the way you did Spaghetti's monologue is hilarious )

[FlameSparkZ]

Just "read" Chapter 13 and...

• Subaru looks like she has Glam Sight in her berserk scene
• Caro with zettai ryouiki is MOE
• Erio managed to land a hit on Signum
• And tanuki Hayate is cute

Looking forward to the next chapter

[Phantasmagoria]

Sorry for any interruption... I have some questions to ask~

Is the manga still on-going?

Nanoha, Fate and Hayate are the main focus right now, or the new recruits took the limelight?

Is there a big difference between the anime and the manga?

Is the manga very far ahead of the anime itself?

Thanks to anyone who answer my doubts!

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by yourhead

Is the manga still on-going?

Yes, although the next chapter, chapter 14, will be the last one if I recall.

Originally Posted by yourhead

Nanoha, Fate and Hayate are the main focus right now, or the new recruits took the limelight?

Divided. A little bit of everyone.

Originally Posted by yourhead

Is there a big difference between the anime and the manga?

Depends on what you see as different. If you mean in terms of storyline, no. The maga uses the anime as the base for its story. The difference between the manga and the anime is that he manag explains various things that were never shown in the anime. The manga is not, however, the anime in artform. The manga simply hows scenes that were never in the anime.

Originally Posted by yourhead

Is the manga very far ahead of the anime itself?

You mean in the timeline? No. The manga and the anime are running paralel.

If you mean in terms of story... well, imagine this: The anime is over.

[Phantasmagoria]

Thanks alot Keroko!

Though I still don't quite understand what you mean by " the manga and the anime are running parallel." ^^;

Do you mean, there is no such thing as filler in the Nanoha series? Both the anime and manga combines to becomes a "full" storyline? Hmm.. what am I talking about.. haha...

I tried googling for any information about the manga, but I can't find any site for basic information...

Does the manga start off from Season 1, or starts from A's?

[Kikaifan]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

• Erio managed to land a hit on Signum

No he didn't! She wasn't really trying! She let him! She's an armor specialist, it doesn't matter! Strada is haxx! Optical illusion involving a weather balloon and swamp gas!

I believe I've covered my bases.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by yourhead

Thanks alot Keroko!

Though I still don't quite understand what you mean by " the manga and the anime are running parallel." ^^;

Do you mean, there is no such thing as filler in the Nanoha series? Both the anime and manga combines to becomes a "full" storyline? Hmm.. what am I talking about.. haha...

That's what I meant. The anime and manga together become a 'complete' storyline.

Originally Posted by yourhead

I tried googling for any information about the manga, but I can't find any site for basic information...

Does the manga start off from Season 1, or starts from A's?

It starts where A's left off. Exactly where it left off, actually. You remember the scene where Nanoha, Fate and Hayate were on the rooftop? That's where the manga starts. After a chapter or three it makes a timeskip to Subaru and Teana's training days, and then one more timeskip untill the anime StrikerS.

Originally Posted by Kikaifan

No he didn't! She wasn't really trying! She let him! She's an armor specialist, it doesn't matter! Strada is haxx! Optical illusion involving a weather balloon and swamp gas!

I believe I've covered my bases.

Strada is haxx? When they're using wooden swords?

[Phantasmagoria]

I see.. one last question about Nanoha =P

How does the "pierce" from the multi-legged weird creature with a sharp blade, ( I forgot its name ), which did a lethal injury on Nanoha ( piercing somewhere around her chest ) affects her life ( It is a flashback where a spectacled girl told those new recruits about Nanoha's past )? Will it affect her casting of magic in any way? Near the end of StrikerS, it seems that she did not struggle while taking on Vivio, so she have no problems fighting at full potential right? Since there is a scene whereby someone say that Nanoha's body deteriorates after that incident or something like that.

[Keroko]

I believe you're confusing Nanoha with Vita. We are never shown just what exactly happened during the accident with Nanoha, the only thing we're told was that the constant pressure of using high-level magic was partially the cause in the injury.

Nanoha took a while to recover (almost a full year, if I recall) but Nanoha's body doesn't 'deteriorate' when using Blaster Mode. It merely puts a lot of pressure on it. Its as if you're sporting really hard, you usually don't feel it untill you're done.

[Kikaifan]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Strada is haxx? When they're using wooden swords?

I don't see what could be more haxx than a weapon you don't even have to use to cheat with.

*empties the rest of the clip into Logic while it's down and starts looking for a place to hide the body*

Originally Posted by Keroko

Nanoha took a while to recover (almost a full year, if I recall) but Nanoha's body doesn't 'deteriorate' when using Blaster Mode. It merely puts a lot of pressure on it. Its as if you're sporting really hard, you usually don't feel it untill you're done.

That wasn't the impression I got from Quattro's ranting... I think Blaster isn't just contributing to some chronic health issue, it actually is causing physical harm in the short term.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kikaifan

I don't see what could be more haxx than a weapon you don't even have to use to cheat with.

*empties the rest of the clip into Logic while it's down and starts looking for a place to hide the body*

I think I understand what you're saying... you're saying that Erio is so haxx, he can use his haxxed out weapon when its not even there!

Poor Signum, she never had a chance.

Originally Posted by Kikaifan

That wasn't the impression I got from Quattro's ranting... I think Blaster isn't just contributing to some chronic health issue, it actually is causing physical harm in the short term.

Which is what I said. The accident all those years ago and Blaster Mode are two different things.

[Phantasmagoria]

So in any case, the harm lasts only for a short term? Ha ha, I am glad it is not permanent :P

[Estavali]

Regarding Blaster Mode's side effect, I'm of the impression that using it too long will be fatal to Nanoha. Like what Keroko said, it puts a lot of pressure on it, or rather it pushes the user's output beyond her limits. While this is seldom lethal in many shounen settings, such should not be the case for Nanoha... I hope.

As for the accident/incident/whatever, while no really concrete comment was made over Nanoha's physical condition, judging from the level of concern (from what I see) made over her, I personally believe that there should still exist some lingering effects. It's a pity the anime didn't expand more on this area imho.

[Kikaifan]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Which is what I said. The accident all those years ago and Blaster Mode are two different things.

I was disagreeing with your suggestion that she doesn't feel it until she's done... I think, along the lines of what Estavali said, that she has a real chance of running down her performance while she's using it if she keeps it up for too long.

And I do think she could cause herself long-term damage again as well. Her body is more mature now, she knows her limits better, and packaging 'going all out' into a specific device setting allow her better control over the process... but I don't think any of that can entirely ameliorate the kind of negative effects she experienced pushing on her limits against the Book. I wouldn't be surprised if she suffers down the line from her fight on the Cradle.

That's just my unsupported reasoning though. Based on the ending of StrikerS I'm sure she's fine- the season ended positively, and given that she's had problems before (understatement) I'm sure her medical team would have known if any major trouble was in the offing.