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Old 2010-08-18, 13:23   Link #26541
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Fealty is now on Fanfiction.net ^^. No real changes other than a few words here and there, and a slightly extended author's note XD.

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I really liked the line about how she has to tell their tale if they fall in battle...it shows a lot of character, since she could easily just keep them as a name in some mission record, but as a good commander she'd have to be responsible to make sure that they get the recognition they deserve.

I love the irony of how instead of being a maker of change, Hayate views herself as a tool (whether she's correct in that assessment or not) and powerless.

Something small...the word "conquer" in the second to last sentence gave me a mood whiplash, as conquer is usually used in a slightly more overpowering, ruthless and devastating way (so negative connotations), while Hayate seems to be trying to express a desire to beat the bad guys up with her power (something that kind of has good connotations). It's not a big deal, just something kind of surprising as I was reading . If you chose the word "conquer" deliberately then it's definitely changing what I thought about Hayate's feelings here .

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A fic I wrote while intoxicated. Yeah I know thats not a good thing since alcohol never really mixes with anything...but anyway

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I hate to say how much I agree with you. XD My writing flow is still a little off because I'm a tad burned out from bio class. It was just a random short I wanted to post so I could avoid the flood of "Thanatos? Why is her Device named Thanatos?" questions I might have gotten when I started the short story I have in mind (sometime this year). Of course, I'll probably end up having to explain it again anyway since I honestly don't like how this short came out, so I won't put it up on "Shadowfire".
Heh, it's kind of a different standard I have for you, compared to what I have for other people . I'm glad I didn't come off too harsh , as the fic did serve its purpose well .
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Old 2010-08-18, 13:28   Link #26542
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Heh, it's kind of a different standard I have for you, compared to what I have for other people . I'm glad I didn't come off too harsh , as the fic did serve its purpose well .
Nah, it's fine, it's fine. A critique is a critique, and you made a good point. Maybe I can take that piece and polish it a bit, perhaps put it in as a segment of the story I have in mind. It doesn't do the job as well when it's just a stand-alone drabble.
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Old 2010-08-18, 13:34   Link #26543
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I love the irony of how instead of being a maker of change, Hayate views herself as a tool (whether she's correct in that assessment or not) and powerless.
Be aware of the perspective this short is told from. While it could be a monologue inside Hayate's head (as your quote above would suggest), it is also in Omni 3rd person.

I hadn't actually thought of the former possibility though.

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Something small...the word "conquer" in the second to last sentence gave me a mood whiplash, as conquer is usually used in a slightly more overpowering, ruthless and devastating way (so negative connotations), while Hayate seems to be trying to express a desire to beat the bad guys up with her power (something that kind of has good connotations). It's not a big deal, just something kind of surprising as I was reading . If you chose the word "conquer" deliberately then it's definitely changing what I thought about Hayate's feelings here .
I jumped back and forth on this and eventually got stuck, going with "conquer". It gave too much of the feeling you are suggesting, so you are quite right.

I think my initial meaning was "to truly command" (given Hayate's general personality, without the tyrannical undertones) or something to that extent. Not sure myself tbh.
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Old 2010-08-18, 13:37   Link #26544
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Old 2010-08-18, 13:46   Link #26545
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Old 2010-08-18, 14:52   Link #26546
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Be aware of the perspective this short is told from. While it could be a monologue inside Hayate's head (as your quote above would suggest), it is also in Omni 3rd person.

I hadn't actually thought of the former possibility though.
I actually thought of it as a 2nd person story, since you're using "You", making me think that it's Hayate thinking to herself (although we're in Hayate's shoes during all this). But yeah, the last line would blur that line a little....are we in Hayate's shoes, but having a third party speaking to us/Hayate?

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I jumped back and forth on this and eventually got stuck, going with "conquer". It gave too much of the feeling you are suggesting, so you are quite right.

I think my initial meaning was "to truly command" (given Hayate's general personality, without the tyrannical undertones) or something to that extent. Not sure myself tbh.
Why don't you use the word "command" then? It gives her power over making her own decisions (as opposed to "serve" used earlier), but command is more neutral than conquer, but it does still keep some vague undertones of a potentially tyrannical Hayate .

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Ah, so this is going to retell the entirety of Season 1? I didn't like the canon mimicry here much too, but maybe you could off-set it by changing Fate's reactions towards her motivation a little? In canon, she wanted to please Precia by bringing all the Seeds back, since she never got any affection from her mother. But here, Fate's doing this to please Alicia but she still gets lots of love from Alicia--how might that fact change how Fate reacts to Nanoha, or during their fights? At the same time, there's an added motivation of "I want to save Grandma so that Grandma will like me/be happy and so that I can make Mom happy" that could possibly make Fate more determined and single-minded, etc.

I do like how Arf's acting though, I can't see her upbeat, taunting attitude changing despite the new setting XD. Indeed, I can see her being more bold since she doesn't have to watch her mouth to protect Fate .
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Old 2010-08-18, 14:55   Link #26547
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I actually thought of it as a 2nd person story, since you're using "You", making me think that it's Hayate thinking to herself (although we're in Hayate's shoes during all this)
Good point.
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Why don't you use the word "command" then? It gives her power over making her own decisions (as opposed to "serve" used earlier), but command is more neutral than conquer, but it does still keep some vague undertones of a potentially tyrannical Hayate .
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Old 2010-08-18, 15:32   Link #26548
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Wrote that when I was bored and had no internet, I got the basic idea from Starcraft.
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Old 2010-08-18, 15:43   Link #26549
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No wonder Mengsk's slimy face was the first to pop out of my mind

Taking this idea of yours further, I see?

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Poor Hayate, I blame BetrayerS for her tarnished reputation...
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Old 2010-08-18, 15:49   Link #26550
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And Asura as Hyperion. Good idea, i`ll wait for continuation.

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Old 2010-08-18, 16:36   Link #26551
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A...slightly disturbing idea I got, and wrote about here .

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Old 2010-08-18, 17:24   Link #26552
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Oh, and DC, I just couldn't change *that* scene. I don't like to rehash canon. If I'm going to write a fanfic, I want to change how canon works.
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Old 2010-08-18, 18:23   Link #26553
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I told myself I wasn't going to read this. But I couldn't resist, in the end.

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Old 2010-08-18, 18:29   Link #26554
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A fic I wrote while intoxicated. Yeah I know thats not a good thing since alcohol never really mixes with anything...but anyway

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Nanya wanted me to post it. And I figured the mistress wanted a little...something involved >.>
I think in Nanoha's part you should have had some sort of explanation for why she was cheating on Fate in the first place. Personally I have no sympathy for cheaters, so I can only hate Nanoha here. She truely loves Fate? She wanted to be with her? Then why the fuck did she cheat? I mean seriously, if you really need to get your rocks off that badly when your lover is away, God gave you two hands for a bloody reason!

... I have no sympathy for those who commit suicide either, so Fate's actions aren't much better. Yeah, I understand it'd be devastating finding out the one you love is cheating on you, but that's no reason to end it! You can be stronger than that! Your life doesn't revolve around one person, so pick yourself up and move on.

Well, your story certainly invoked some strong feelings out of me, so consider that a job well done

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Well, you don't have much else to do but copy canon at this point. There's still some changes, though, like I imagine Fate doesn't have those sad eyes because Alicia treats her right. Nanoha's motivation would certainly have to be different in that case.

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Old 2010-08-18, 18:30   Link #26555
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Old 2010-08-18, 18:45   Link #26556
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Sorry everyone, for making all of you do the spoiler tag thing , but thanks!

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Oh, and DC, I just couldn't change *that* scene. I don't like to rehash canon. If I'm going to write a fanfic, I want to change how canon works.
Hm, I see your point, but I guess to me, having Alicia there made HUGE changes to the characters' motivations, so in my reasoning I wouldn't expect things to go exactly according to canon.

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Old 2010-08-18, 19:04   Link #26557
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No wonder Mengsk's slimy face was the first to pop out of my mind

Taking this idea of yours further, I see?

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Poor Hayate, I blame BetrayerS for her tarnished reputation...
At least she'll be the lesser evil...or maybe not evil at all?!

Expect Mengsk!Graham's slimy face punched.
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Old 2010-08-18, 19:10   Link #26558
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Old 2010-08-18, 19:13   Link #26559
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On a more general writing note, and I'm probably slowpoking here, but I was looking around TV Tropes and read about 'Said Bookisms." I eventually read this article about the subject and frankly it's throwing me for a loop. I was always taught in school that I shouldn't use 'said' a lot and instead use a variety of different words. So I am certainly guilty of using these Said Bookisms, but at the same time I don't think I could switch to using 'said' all the time. It really does get repetative to only go he said, she said, he said, she said, etc every other line.

What do you guys think about this subject?
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