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Nadeor · 2008-09-04, 15:55

And then we'll have all the clues ready, it's up to us to solve it XD

DaCyclops · 2008-09-04, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-one

the forth one will be on the next comiket at Desember if there's no problem

That is what I was thinking. Which is why I thought "Umineko 4 might be released before Umineko 3 is fully translated"

I must admit, I found the Ep1 Tea Party to be the most horrifying part. Watching the character's discussing their own deaths, and in the end having Battler actually tell Beatrice to her face that she doesnt exist....
"The Meta... it hurts ussss......"

Odd thought about the Umineko/Higurashi relation. At one point in the story it actually references Higurashi inside, while at the end almost seems like a giant Higurashi continuation. So they both referenced it as a fake world within, and also as a same-world thing.... confusing, if you ask me.

Sterling01 · 2008-09-05, 20:47

This will piss off a lot of people... though I wonder if them being pissed off proves Klash's point

Spoiler for Announcement:

Removal of the scripts and Recruitment

This will be quite a major change as you probably guessed. We decided to remove the scripts as it posed a huge problem: it was a wide open door for people who simply wouldn't bother buying the game. By itself it isn't that of a problem for now (as the episode 1 is provided as a freeware, obviously), but in order to get the some support from Ryukishi07, putting publicly both english and especially the japanese scripts would be rather a very problematic factor. Considering the selling factor is primarely the script, which is then flavored with the character srpites, BG and BGM/SFX, the public scripts would be a hinderance, that's a given. Of course, it wouldn't be that casual for someone not buying the game (or let's face it, not downloading it) to read the scripts. Nevertheless, it is a risk we cannot afford if we wish to get Ryukishi07's support.

Also, considering the states of the rough translation, we cannot say that it is really a service to leave them (they are indeed keeping the main point of the story, but it wouldn't be exactly the best material).

Of course, this decision will leave many questions about especially the purpose of the wiki page in the end. Well, we still can use it as a vector of discussion about specific translation portion (instead of going through the wall of texts etc), and also discussion for typo/adaptation reports. We are obviously losing the ability for public, anonymous and spontaneous support, but that will actually permit us to recruit full fledged editors and checkers.

We understand this decision will most likely upset a lot of people who were/are reading the rough scripts while waiting for our patch, though we believe that it was necessary.

That said, we are now renewing again our recruitment offer. We are currently looking for anyone fitting the following roles, as more help is never a luxury: Translators (most important), editors, inserters. Of course, be aware it won't be a cake walk, and you won't really be spared from spoilers etc. If you believe you can help us to deliver the patch, please contact Klash or I, on Baka-tsuki forums, or through the talk page of the project page.

k//eternal · 2008-09-05, 22:15

Would it be possible by any chance to get the scripts if you can show photographic evidence for having the game? (CD case, username on sheet of paper nearby, or something.) They do provide a quick way for people to dig for clues and are copy/pastable unlike the game itself. Although I can't read much Japanese (I just go by my Chinese knowledge) so it's not as useful for me, haha.

Do you include translation checking in "editing" or is it primarily readability?

Psycho13in308 · 2008-09-06, 00:13

I don't really mind as it stops the temptation of reading the script and spoiling playing the actual game.

Sterling01 · 2008-09-06, 00:17

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Originally Posted by k//eternal

Do you include translation checking in "editing" or is it primarily readability?

TL check is its own thing

Coruja · 2008-09-06, 05:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling01

This will piss off a lot of people... though I wonder if them being pissed off proves Klash's point

Spoiler for Announcement:

Removal of the scripts and Recruitment

This will be quite a major change as you probably guessed. We decided to remove the scripts as it posed a huge problem: it was a wide open door for people who simply wouldn't bother buying the game. By itself it isn't that of a problem for now (as the episode 1 is provided as a freeware, obviously), but in order to get the some support from Ryukishi07, putting publicly both english and especially the japanese scripts would be rather a very problematic factor. Considering the selling factor is primarely the script, which is then flavored with the character srpites, BG and BGM/SFX, the public scripts would be a hinderance, that's a given. Of course, it wouldn't be that casual for someone not buying the game (or let's face it, not downloading it) to read the scripts. Nevertheless, it is a risk we cannot afford if we wish to get Ryukishi07's support.

Also, considering the states of the rough translation, we cannot say that it is really a service to leave them (they are indeed keeping the main point of the story, but it wouldn't be exactly the best material).

Of course, this decision will leave many questions about especially the purpose of the wiki page in the end. Well, we still can use it as a vector of discussion about specific translation portion (instead of going through the wall of texts etc), and also discussion for typo/adaptation reports. We are obviously losing the ability for public, anonymous and spontaneous support, but that will actually permit us to recruit full fledged editors and checkers.

We understand this decision will most likely upset a lot of people who were/are reading the rough scripts while waiting for our patch, though we believe that it was necessary.

That said, we are now renewing again our recruitment offer. We are currently looking for anyone fitting the following roles, as more help is never a luxury: Translators (most important), editors, inserters. Of course, be aware it won't be a cake walk, and you won't really be spared from spoilers etc. If you believe you can help us to deliver the patch, please contact Klash or I, on Baka-tsuki forums, or through the talk page of the project page.

I actually applaud that. Of course I am pretty disappointed as I was about 2 chapters away from finishing the 2nd episode, but I don't mind waiting... Your reasons are noble enough, eheh.

theacefrehley · 2008-09-06, 06:10

Well,

I don't thnk it'd be that much of a problem to leave the scripts there (the clannad guys are leaving it there, tomoyo after too).

But, well, you decide.

**Klashikari** · 2008-09-06, 06:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by k//eternal

Would it be possible by any chance to get the scripts if you can show photographic evidence for having the game? (CD case, username on sheet of paper nearby, or something.) They do provide a quick way for people to dig for clues and are copy/pastable unlike the game itself. Although I can't read much Japanese (I just go by my Chinese knowledge) so it's not as useful for me, haha.

I don't see any problem with that. Upon request with simple proof of evidence, we can provide the scripts (CD case with paper with your username on it, a la Ebay is pretty fine).
I'm currently backing up the scripts before the real purge.
You can PM me, and I will see what I can do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theacefrehley

Well,

I don't thnk it'd be that much of a problem to leave the scripts there (the clannad guys are leaving it there, tomoyo after too).

But, well, you decide.

That would be faster if we knew Ryukishi's stance about that matter. However, unlike Clannad and Tomoyo After (or any other VN), Umineko chapters are very different in structure and size. As result, I can see far easier way to read Umineko with a side script, while it would be hell tedious with Clannad.

That said, we are especially assuring our chance to get Ryukishi's support, which is the primary goal of this removal.

theacefrehley · 2008-09-06, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klashikari

That said, we are especially assuring our chance to get Ryukishi's support, which is the primary goal of this removal.

Not trying to be annoying, but:
Ryuukishi's support/OK (or any other game developer) is something you're 99% sure to not obtain. The only guy who actually gave an OK to this kind of thing was, if I'm not mistaken, the creator of Narcissu, who gave his OK to insani and Haeleth.

Of course Ryuukishi'd be happy with english translations for his games, after all, he will sell a few more copies of the game in the west of the globe. But, give support to this project is highly unlikely.

So, I think you should not worry about that.

And if possible
I'd also like to have scripts for episode 1

It's annoying to keep skipping text every time you want to read a certain part.

**Klashikari** · 2008-09-06, 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by theacefrehley

Not trying to be annoying, but:
Ryuukishi's support/OK (or any other game developer) is something you're 99% sure to not obtain. The only guy who actually gave an OK to this kind of thing was, if I'm not mistaken, the creator of Narcissu, who gave his OK to insani and Haeleth.

Of course Ryuukishi'd be happy with english translations for his games, after all, he will sell a few more copies of the game in the west of the globe. But, give support to this project is highly unlikely.

So, I think you should not worry about that.

I don't even see how it is impossible to expect, considering how Ryukishi himself wanted his games to be translated but failed to do so because of his lack of english knowledge and possible trouble with license etc. Considering his communication and the fact it is a doujin, it is by far "easier" than trying to ask permission from big shot like Key.

In any case, even if we fail to get his support/approval, we will still keep this stance as we need go step forward like groups such like mirrormoon instead of gambling our luck on public interface and such, which was moderately or really not successful until now for us (unlike Clannad who gained quite a huge support thanks to the wiki system).

And it will also keep our philosophy that the damn game deserve to be bought, though obviously it won't stop torrents and such *sigh*.

Quote:

And if possible
I'd also like to have scripts for episode 1

It's annoying to keep skipping text every time you want to read a certain part.

I will try to see if I can make the current script into usual text, though considering how it changed compared to the old script, it would take quite a long time to remove all tags and such.

chronotrig · 2008-09-06, 10:34

Well, I'm not going to complain about giving the text out to people who have the game, but remember, that's a luxury that even Japanese players of the game don't have.

On a happier note, episode 2 is coming along quickly, and should be halfway done in two weeks at the worst, less than a full week at the best. So most of what was posted online will be released anyways for people who have the game.

theacefrehley · 2008-09-06, 11:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klashikari

I will try to see if I can make the current script into usual text, though considering how it changed compared to the old script, it would take quite a long time to remove all tags and such.

I wouldn't mind the tags

I just want to be able to use the 'search' feature any text editor (like notepad) has.

If I had some knowledge, I could extract it from the patch files

But you're free to not give it if you don't want to. I thank you anyway.

---------------

Well,
I already found a way
don't need it anymore

Orophin · 2008-09-06, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by chronotrig

On a happier note, episode 2 is coming along quickly, and should be halfway done in two weeks at the worst, less than a full week at the best. So most of what was posted online will be released anyways for people who have the game.

You guys sure work fast! You will most likely finish Banquet of the Golden Witch before episode 4 comes out if you continue to translate at this pace. Keep up the good work!

Mystearika · 2008-09-06, 11:40

keep up the good work, i cant wait for ep 2

ClockWorkAngel · 2008-09-06, 16:12

Will the next version be compatible with episode 3?

I have no idea why they're bundling everything together :S

Keep up the good work guys, you're doing great for all us non-speakers!

EDIT: I think that without the music among the other parts of the game, the script alone isn't very exciting, I don't think people would mind waiting for the patches to come out.

k//eternal · 2008-09-06, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockWorkAngel

I think that without the music among the other parts of the game, the script alone isn't very exciting, I don't think people would mind waiting for the patches to come out.

I agree with that, but for clue-hunting it's a much more efficient format.

Onizuka-GTO · 2008-09-06, 22:41

This is a notice that i have received & acknowledge the official request to remove the current script from the Umineko project.

specifically:

Code:

[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Tips]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_0]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_1]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_2]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_3]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_4]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_5]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_6]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_7]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_8]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_9]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_10]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_11]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_12]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_13]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_14]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_15]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_16]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Chapter_17]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Endroll]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Epilouge]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Tea_Party]]
[[Umineko_Volume_2:_Hidden_Tea_Party]]

[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Chapter_0]]
[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Chapter_1]]
[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Chapter_2]]
[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Chapter_3]]
[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Tips]]
[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Opening_Message]]
[[Umineko_Volume_3:_Endroll]]

please visit the project page for more details.

I will remove them as soon as i wake up unless someone can think of a better solution to preserve this translation or another Editor-in-Chief does it first.

chronotrig · 2008-09-07, 18:48

Alright, my part of ep2, chapters 5, 6 and 7, are all done. Once sterling finishes his chapters, they will need to be inserted and checked over, get all the consistency worked out, and we'll be ready for the first umi2 patch!

Sterling01 · 2008-09-14, 10:16

Progress update
Chapter 8 is finished... Though due my electricity being unstable right now I don't know when I'll be able to upload my stuff

2008-09-05, 20:47	Link #483
Sterling01 霊夢→デレ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC, NY Age: 46	This will piss off a lot of people... though I wonder if them being pissed off proves Klash's point Spoiler for Announcement: Removal of the scripts and Recruitment This will be quite a major change as you probably guessed. We decided to remove the scripts as it posed a huge problem: it was a wide open door for people who simply wouldn't bother buying the game. By itself it isn't that of a problem for now (as the episode 1 is provided as a freeware, obviously), but in order to get the some support from Ryukishi07, putting publicly both english and especially the japanese scripts would be rather a very problematic factor. Considering the selling factor is primarely the script, which is then flavored with the character srpites, BG and BGM/SFX, the public scripts would be a hinderance, that's a given. Of course, it wouldn't be that casual for someone not buying the game (or let's face it, not downloading it) to read the scripts. Nevertheless, it is a risk we cannot afford if we wish to get Ryukishi07's support. Also, considering the states of the rough translation, we cannot say that it is really a service to leave them (they are indeed keeping the main point of the story, but it wouldn't be exactly the best material). Of course, this decision will leave many questions about especially the purpose of the wiki page in the end. Well, we still can use it as a vector of discussion about specific translation portion (instead of going through the wall of texts etc), and also discussion for typo/adaptation reports. We are obviously losing the ability for public, anonymous and spontaneous support, but that will actually permit us to recruit full fledged editors and checkers. We understand this decision will most likely upset a lot of people who were/are reading the rough scripts while waiting for our patch, though we believe that it was necessary. That said, we are now renewing again our recruitment offer. We are currently looking for anyone fitting the following roles, as more help is never a luxury: Translators (most important), editors, inserters. Of course, be aware it won't be a cake walk, and you won't really be spared from spoilers etc. If you believe you can help us to deliver the patch, please contact Klash or I, on Baka-tsuki forums, or through the talk page of the project page. __________________ Last edited by Sterling01; 2008-09-05 at 20:51. Reason: Forgot my links

2008-09-06, 06:10	Link #488
theacefrehley Guitar Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brazil	Well, I don't thnk it'd be that much of a problem to leave the scripts there (the clannad guys are leaving it there, tomoyo after too). But, well, you decide. __________________ []'s from Ace

2008-09-06, 11:40	Link #495
Mystearika Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	keep up the good work, i cant wait for ep 2 __________________

2008-09-06, 16:12	Link #496
ClockWorkAngel Aspiring Aspirer Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow, Canada Age: 32	Will the next version be compatible with episode 3? I have no idea why they're bundling everything together :S Keep up the good work guys, you're doing great for all us non-speakers! EDIT: I think that without the music among the other parts of the game, the script alone isn't very exciting, I don't think people would mind waiting for the patches to come out. __________________ Credit To Risa-chan!

2008-09-14, 10:16	Link #500
Sterling01 霊夢→デレ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC, NY Age: 46	Progress update Chapter 8 is finished... Though due my electricity being unstable right now I don't know when I'll be able to upload my stuff __________________

2008-09-04, 15:55	Link #481
Nadeor Asmodeus Saigo (>v<)/ Join Date: Feb 2008	And then we'll have all the clues ready, it's up to us to solve it XD

2008-09-05, 22:15	Link #484
k//eternal do you know ベアトリーチェ様? Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 35	Would it be possible by any chance to get the scripts if you can show photographic evidence for having the game? (CD case, username on sheet of paper nearby, or something.) They do provide a quick way for people to dig for clues and are copy/pastable unlike the game itself. Although I can't read much Japanese (I just go by my Chinese knowledge) so it's not as useful for me, haha. Do you include translation checking in "editing" or is it primarily readability?

2008-09-06, 00:13	Link #485
Psycho13in308 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008	I don't really mind as it stops the temptation of reading the script and spoiling playing the actual game.

2008-09-06, 10:34	Link #492
chronotrig Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Buffer overflow	Well, I'm not going to complain about giving the text out to people who have the game, but remember, that's a luxury that even Japanese players of the game don't have. On a happier note, episode 2 is coming along quickly, and should be halfway done in two weeks at the worst, less than a full week at the best. So most of what was posted online will be released anyways for people who have the game.

2008-09-07, 18:48	Link #499
chronotrig Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Buffer overflow	Alright, my part of ep2, chapters 5, 6 and 7, are all done. Once sterling finishes his chapters, they will need to be inserted and checked over, get all the consistency worked out, and we'll be ready for the first umi2 patch!