2010-04-20, 08:31 | Link #921 |
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Beelzebub isn't primarily focused on Humor otherwise it'll be riddled with slapstick comedy. Slapstick comedy like Kyou Kare are episodic by nature. It's basically like looney tunes, every event that happens has very little to no effect with every occurring episode. There's no need for a plot, it's just the lets see what kinda whacky things these two numbnuts are gonna do next!
Beelzebub actually has a plot with character development. The characters move forward it doesn't work in an episodic nature (ala simpsons). Comedy is apart of it, but it's not the only thing it's about. KKOW: Comedy, School, Slice-of-life Beelzebub: Comedy, Supernatural, Action They have one subcategory in common and you should automatically compare them? Maybe Full Metal Panic: Comedy, Mecha, Drama, School-life, should be compared too? It has 2 subcategories in common with KKOW.
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2010-04-20, 08:43 | Link #922 |
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Like i said before, What makes Beelzebub have a "plot"? The fact that it has a goal about a baby who will eventually destroy the earth? Okay, and what about everything that happens until that point? Is that the "plot"? In that case the events for Beelzebub so far have had a minimum effect of what will happen in the "plot". What im arguing about is not the "plot" but the events happening and characters appearing in the story that do not affect the overall "plot" which are very similar and absoultely comparable.
Oh and if were gonna go with categories then according to onemanga: KKOW: Action, Comedy, School Life, Shounen Beelzebub: Action, Comedy, Supernatural, Shounen Oh snap, 3 out of 4 is bad, eh? |
2010-04-20, 11:34 | Link #923 | |
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As for the diff. plot progression of both series, Beelzebub has like 4 volumes like I said and KKOW has 9 scanlated so far. If the 8 volume one failed to beat the 4 volume one, I'd be surprised. Secondly, both series are filled with similar archetypes. Up to volume 4 of KKOW, Riko and Aoi could pretty much be said to fill the same type of char. role. Same for mitsuhashi and oga. However, Beelzebub has hinted at something other than delinquent drama while KKOW is still mostly 'mitsuhashi pwns random people/delinquents/imai'. It does it pretty well but like someone said before, it's very episodic, like an american sitcom. Also, in 9 volumes, nothing has really changed in KKOW while beelzebub has had a totally new change of scenery with the previous school/setting being destroyed. Whether this new change will bring anything interesting on the table has yet to be seen but at least it's a change.
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2010-04-20, 12:57 | Link #924 | |
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How are the characters even comparable? Main Protagonist: Oga: Extremely Overpowered, Contracted with the future king of hell, seemingly evil but is actually a pretty nice guy. Mitsusashi: King of cheap shots, maniacal egomaniac, would use his own mother as a human shield. Side Kicks: Furichi: A coward, weak, and a womanizer. Itou: Brave, honest, capable in a street fight, an overall popular and nice guy. Female leads: Aoi and Hilda: Aoi, very strong and capable, was once the leader of a female gang but gave it up to pursuit Oga. Very Moe, shy, and obedient when it comes to Oga. Hilda is a demon with extremely powerful sword skills with summoning abilities. Personality is very straight forward and seemingly cold. Has motherlike qualities when with Baby B. Riko: Strong, but will lose in a serious fight against a strong man. Loud/foul mouthed, quick to the punch, lacks overall feminine qualities. Every opponent in KKOW are generic delinquents, easily forgettable. The only reoccurring one is Imai and his lackey, which only exist for the sake of comedic relief. The only non generic opponent so far is the red head kid. But now that he got his ass kicked he's gone now. In Beelzebub all of Oga's opponents actually have a name and unique personalities who doesn't disappear after getting their ass kicked. In fact are now allies of Oga.
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2010-04-20, 13:23 | Link #925 |
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The 'gag' in my opinion is how overpowered Oga is. KKOW and Beelzebub have very different types of stories aside from the 'scenery'.
And arguments on the internet are made to be lost Pyrrhic victory if you will.
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2010-04-20, 14:44 | Link #926 | |
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Well, I didn't see One Piece has any sort of strong for the first 50 chapter either. Did those small arc about Zoro, Nami, Usopp have any real contribution to the main plot that appears much later on, rather than just introducing the characters? Same here for Beelzebub, we are being introduced all of the potentially main characters later on. Personally I wouldn't call Shounen a genre. It's just an indicator of which audience's age the manga's aiming at. Heck, the whole premise of comparing manga with the same genre is flawed in the first place, since the classification of genre is flawed itself. Beelzebub: Action, Comedy, Supernatural, Shounen. Lets throw in school life and delinquent if you want it. Great Teacher Onizuka: Action, Comedy, school-life, shounen, delinquent. Or say, To-Love Ru: "Action," Comedy, school-life, supernatural, Shounen. Let's compare Beelzebub and To-Love Ru! Absurd. Since those two, despite having "a lot in common," have a huge difference that can be reconcile by no mean: To-Love Ru being a harem romance. Same for Beelzebub and KKOW. When KKOW is so obvious episodic slice-of-life, Beelzebub is clearly "adventure." It's so obviously planned to be a long-run adventure series in Jump. Don't argue for "development" in KKOW, Doraemon has those kinds of development. And in fact, Beelzebub has no need for substantial character development itself, because it SHOULD be plot-driven instead. And don't argue Beelzebub is slice-of-life, or we shall call Dragon Ball slice-of-life, shall we? It's Goku everywhere after all, we see him as a kid, learning, cooking, hunting, training, make friends, marry, have kids and grandkids, "educate" them, dying). |
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Here we go again, Oh Boy
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Beelzebub is still mostly Oga pwns random people/delinquents/guardians. See, I can make blanket statements too! Quote:
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What is your point with this? When did i say there were 100 percent identical? And why do they have to be perfectly identical in order to make a comparison? I'll elaborate on this later on. Quote:
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Now there is no doubt that Beelzebub takes a lot from other shounen manga's, Not just KKOW. But the execution falls flat a lot of times and it tends to be hit-and-miss. The concept for the baby is probably taken from Hitman Reborn or Zatch Bell. But oh noes we can't make a comparison there because in Beelzebub the baby can't talk!!!! All these elements give a poor amalgamation of shounen principles, Resulting in something that is neither fun nor all that interesting. Last edited by Poetic Justice; 2010-04-20 at 20:00. |
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2010-04-20, 20:01 | Link #928 |
Chicken or Beef?
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Your arguments are extremely poor, it's just a "lol no it's not, yes it is" reply. and LMAO @ Mitsusashi being OP. And Beelzebub doesn't have 1 memorable enemy because every single enemy that Oga has beaten is a regular character and not a "generic delinquent of the week"
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2010-04-20, 21:24 | Link #929 |
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Well, like I said, it's all subjective. You think nothing's changed, other people do. You think they're all the same, other people don't. Your point would be? Are you trying to change people's minds or try to prove your own subjective point of view? Cause I don't think either is working.
It's not like Oga can be said to pwn random delinquents because unlike KKOW, a lot of those delinquents actually come back like someone else said before.
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Dude, it's like insisting on One Piece being a romance manga that doesn't enough romance. Because it doesn't have romance that it's not a romance manga. Like Beelzebub, its a Jump's long-run adventure series, not a slapstick school life comedy. Don't insist that it is a comedy that has not enough jokes... Not to mention the comedy is fun or not, the fights suck or not, etc. They are all your subjective opinion. If it sucks to you but good to many others, it is generally good. That's the rule of the game. P/s: I don't think KKOW's "action" is worth comparing either... |
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2010-04-27, 17:45 | Link #934 |
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lol loved how Toujou went back to old school, that there is some simple comedy gold right there
also gotta love when Oga hits Kanzaki, everyones reactions were great. gotta love the cover page, Hilda is just lets have some moar Oga rampaging! haven't had a body plant in a while, think we're overdue one
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