2011-10-18, 10:43 | Link #4741 | |
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And if the father of Zen is died. More than anything we're trying to figure out who that person is and why Najimi said that especially Zen not need to know about this. |
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2011-10-18, 10:52 | Link #4742 |
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When medaka says its would be interesting to have him as an enemy it does sound cold but thats just how she talks, she thinks this is helping him grow, when she re-calculated she thought this is a good chance to make him my enemy so he can grow and Najimu is planning this anyways so why not.
The Reality that she doesn't understand is that Zen disturbs her pattern, many who calls themselves her ally or friends was her enemy,Just look at who makes up the student council. But Zen has been supporting her from the start, she never reformed him, it was the other way around. She thinks shes helping Zen, but she is going out of her way to turn allies into enemy's, she is uncomfortable being around someone who is with her who she never had to convince. |
2011-10-18, 10:53 | Link #4743 | |
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2011-10-18, 12:01 | Link #4744 | |
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So a similar disclosure could destroy his motivation plus Najimi wants to create a Mc / hero without flaw. But with this information Zen probably would have a desire for revenge and would be counter productive to Najimi such a thing. Or at least that's what I think. |
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2011-10-18, 12:58 | Link #4745 |
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what if instead "father" is a metaphor for "someone crucial in medaka's growth" ?
and "kill" it's something more like "Obi: darth vader killer your father, luke" ? so "medaka killed her father" may mean "medaka modified the original ideals of zen" this is veery far fetched , but i can't avoid looking for metaphors in this manga xD |
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I was just checking those sound manga (?)... uhh.. whatever they are called in which they have manga pages be read by VAs. Anyhow, Medaka's VA was amazingly fitting, but.... Hiroshi Kamiya for Zen? Am I the only one who thinks he should be Kumagawa's VA? It's like... he was born to voice Kuma. Zen should be voiced, in my opinion, by someone with a slightly rough voice.
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It was. Compare them to all the other opponents who reformed when they had to. Those three were they only ones who never did until Medaka was either to beat them to death or she was actually doing it. Well, Unzen is an exception since he was going to let her kill him, but she was stopped by Zen and Co. As for them having fun in the Medatrial, sure they did but it was the usual thing. Now tell me, when has Medaka tried to have a casual relationship with someone like the relationship Zen and Shiranui have? Notice that between those two, there's no need for challenges. They simply accept each other as they are, have fun together and they're okay if they're in opposite bands because they do try to understand each other. However, all over the most, they talk things out. Always. I also think it's been clearly hinted Medaka is jealous of the type of relationship those two have (or it could be she simply didn't like Zen being close with other girls - well, it could be either, or it could be both). Quote:
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Furthermore, remember Medaka couldn't fight against minuses, Zen had to fight Munakata and almost got killed. It was similar with Kumagawa when he had All Fiction. Oh, and the judo/karate club at the very beginning? Zen felt he had to be strong because he knows they tend to meet strong people, and Medaka loves her challenges. Furthermore, it's been good for him to be as strong as he was, because he'd be otherwise dead by now. But notice, though, every single time he became stronger he did it on his own terms. He's never needed anyone to manipulate him into it. Are you serious, bro? Like... really? Medaka tried talking things out? She approached Zen and told him he had lost after which Zen had an incorrect reaction. It was THEN when they needed to talk things out, not before when there was no apparent problem. Honestly, when a friend of yours acts bitchy I seriously hope you don't think hitting and berating them is the proper course of action. If you seriously believe so, I won't push this topic any further. Quote:
It was, actually. Notice Zen never had any problems before. Remember the beginning of the FP arc with the door and codes? Zen couldn't do that, whilst Medaka and Kikaijima could and which Akune busted. Zen couldn't care less back then and tagged along. His problem started after he realised he was given Parasitic Eyes and that it wasn't some ability he had developed. It was a big problem for him, because it was a huge blow to what he had considered "Hitoyoshi Zenkichi" so far and his own ideals. If it was merely an issue of power, then I'm sure you'll agree with me he'd taken Parasitic Eyes as godsend. In this case "proving himself to himself" is deeply intertwined with him remaining special to Medaka, because he'd prove he's still the same ol' Hitoyoshi Zenkichi and not something different now. Mind you, I'm not saying he was right. He was definitely acting illogically, but it's nothing weird when too many things were happening and he was trying to cope. Quote:
I don't know about you mate, and this could clearly be a matter of opinions, but I don't think any person is a "mountain to be surpassed" unless they make themselves to play the role of one. The only "mountains to be surpassed" as far as I know are actual mountains and people's own mental limitations. If a person is amazingly good at anything, that's got nothing to do with you. Ultimately, as far as I'm concerned, that person is posing no limit to you, but you're the only one limiting yourself. Also, how does Medaka not want to be worshipped when she's always attracting so much attention? When you're always flamboyant, right at almost everything you do - especially fixing other people - you'll obviously attract praise and worship, even though you may not want it. The moment she started seeing people as something to fix or to make happy, despite how noble it sounds, she's already creating that distance herself. No one needs her in order to be happy, no one needs her to put herself as some obstacle to overcome in order to become strong. Medaka's own actions have placed herself there.
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2011-10-18, 15:55 | Link #4749 | |
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i have no idea myself, but maybe it's a made up word from comic and something with a "v", maybe voice
but to me it resemble too much vomit every time i hear it... >.> edit. yep, i was right (lal my memory sucks) Quote:
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2011-10-18, 16:21 | Link #4751 |
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This theory about Medaka's "other" father being Zen's dad is interesting and all, but I'm still very interested in the idea that our supposedly righteous heroine has actually killed someone, regardless of who it is. I wonder if she actually remembers it...?
Regardless, Anshin'in is quite right in that killing a family member is one of the worst things a human being can do, and so I just can't wait to see how Zen responds to Medaka when he finds out. XD |
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Remember Medaka's fight with Kumagawa? Kumagawa was supported by numerous comrades/friends in the form of the members of Class Minus 13, but Medaka surpassed him because she was supported by, not only her own friends, but even her enemies--those people who showed up, saying, "The one who will defeat Kurokami Medaka is me." Quote:
Medaka doesn't have any casual relationships simply because she isn't casual. I don't think you can actually say Zenkichi's relationship with Shiranui is about "understanding" anymore than his relationship with Medaka though. It's not that they "talk" to each other about stuff, it's more like they don't even care what the other does outside of their "casual" time together at all. Shiranui might be Zenkichi's best friend, but I honestly doubt if he understands or cares about anything about her further than "the person I hang around and eat with". Is Medaka jealous of Shiranui? Hey, she might very well be! But who is the person responsible for the difference between how Zenkichi treats Medaka and Shiranui? Quote:
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Kikaijima is a down to earth girl. She's not very flashy, but you'd be doing her a discredit if you said that she's also nothing more than a follower of Medaka. (Go reread the Kikaijima vs. Yukuhashi fight again. Here, I found the ch. number for you guys, ch. 47. If you still can't get what we are talking about regarding "putting Medaka on a pedestal" I think you might have some serious problems understanding the overall arc of Medaka's character development as the manga continues). Quote:
Zenkichi has indeed helped Medaka out plenty of times, in pulling Medaka back from the verge of becoming a real monster when the frustration of what other people did or saw her as became simply too much for her. But the problem, and the irony is that Zenkichi doesn't not even see her as a real person himself in the first place. Zenkichi has saved Medaka from becoming feared, but he is an obstacle to saving her from being worshipped. Now that Medaka has gained a lot more control of her power, and has become more aware of her own status/place and identity, it is indeed high time for her to decide to knock the illusion Zen has of her off of its pedestal. Quote:
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(Regarding "fixing", I request again that you re-examine your presumptions about this. Medaka has never decided that people are something she needs to fix. She has never tried to carry out any sort of correction (going back to the Unzen arc, this was precisely the difference between them). The only objective Medaka has ever adopted towards others is the desire to help make them happy. And in the end, you should also understand that Medaka has ultimately always left the question of "what makes me happy" to each person themself.) edit: Quote:
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2011-10-18, 19:27 | Link #4753 |
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The fight between Medaka and Zenkichi is inevitable
But I'm not sure who I want to win and why. Medaka herself said that "Those who win are not strong. It is those who lose and crawl back up who are strong".What would someone who never loses know about it? It would be good for Medaka to get beaten at least once. Zen wants to teach her the meaning and, more importantly the value, of failure, and learning it would be good for Medaka I want Zen to win, not just for him, but for her. (But yeah, mostly for him) Ajimu said the most heroic one will win the fight. Who is more heroic here....there are to many flaws for me to tell. |
2011-10-18, 21:43 | Link #4755 |
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lol. Is Zenkichi supposed to become the poster child for opposition to Medaka, now? The people who will potentially support Zenkichi over Medaka are allies of Zenkichi, not enemies of Medaka. That's why the conflict is being looked at like an internal squabble. You can bet all of Medaka's actual enemies will be supporting her or, at worst, staying out of things.
Kumagawa's got a good thing going and is having fun in the Student Council, but you're just trying to piss yourself off if you think he's actually become some sort of loyal and supportive underling. Kumagawa's working with Medaka just as much to screw around with her as he is for himself. How do you take him not revealing the trainees' Not Equal statuses to the Student Council? And his recent happiness has itself been the key to the unsealing of Anshin'in's power, but does he look like he cares? If you can point out even one example of when Kumagawa has done something that Medaka has wanted, please go ahead. |
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Also, I never meant Medaka bends other people to her will as if they become her dogs, but that after they're defeated they end up with the purpose "beat Kurokami Medaka". That's what I meant by her becoming central to them. That's nothing that hadn't happened before, though. Back in during the challenges arc, when Zen told Shiranui he loved her she hit him. Or when Maguro hugged her and Naze and they hit him. Or the times Medaka tried to wear an apron like Naze or bloomers and everyone thought it didn't suit her. So, her interaction with Kumagawa isn't really anything new. Quote:
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Once again, I don't think he was right. He was clearly being illogical in thinking Parasite Eyes suddenly turned his lives hard work into nothing. But it particularly because of him acting like that that I think Medaka really had to talk to him. No, lol. Look, she had those eyes BEFORE hitting Zen, during hitting Zen and after. Then, after she beat his life out of him she told Kakaijima she had been taunting him more than necessary. So... yeah... Quote:
Also, remember, Medaka isn't praised merely for her abilities. Zen has already explained that much. Only beasts take Medaka's potential into consideration. People, on the other hand, worship her because of her personality. And so, when Medaka has decided to play the role of something that is pretty much a hero, she's quite likely to be worshipped. Especially when she plays the role of a hero that is highly talented and who's almost always right. Quote:
Anyhow, I really feel we're going on circles. So, I think I'll leave the discussion here. I guess by now we've fully exposed our points of view, since currently we've basically kept on repeating them over and over. Thus, I think I'll simply wait and see how the plot unfolds to see who has the more accurate views on these matters. Anyhow, it was fun.
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Zenkichi become strong than the perfect one & can flask plan make something which better than perfect. What interest about Zenkichi is the mystery surrounding him like relationship with Ajimu in middle school how he cannot remember anything for that also Medaka why Zenkichi was not with Medaka in Middle school both time when she went mad first one was when Zenkichi was going to beat Akune and also when Medaka attacked Kumagawa when he killed the vice president how looks like Ajimu which means that he was also part of that attack. Then second mystery is his connection with flask plan It cannot be coincidence that he was chosen as perfect for that plan since has been indirectly part of it when he was with his mother in hospital where she was studying abnormal & Minus for flask plan so it can be that they were also researching on him. Then there is third mystery what Zenkichi is, an abnormal,minus or not equal: Quote:
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