2010-10-26, 19:09 | Link #4881 |
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If Kinzo cares about his image, doesn't that imply he cares about the Ushiromiya name/status? You're right about the money though.
Also Battler is special because of his spiky hair. It is the spikiest hair of the whole Ushiromiya family. Maybe he's special because he's TMF19YA or something? Or perhaps Battler just reminds Kinzo of himself a whole lot or something. I don't really have a solid explanation TBQH. |
2010-10-26, 19:20 | Link #4882 |
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Again, I never said that Kinzo though Battler to be special in a good way. If his intent was to repeat the miracle that caused the rebirth of the Ushiromiya's he had to pick a person that was independent and that would not have been a likely fit to be the successor.
I dont see Jessica or George filling this roll as their actions of independence are usually tied to things the witness/detective hasn't observed. Maria and Battler though have shown clear defiance against the characters in the story. |
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2010-10-26, 19:52 | Link #4884 | |
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You do have a lot of love for these characters even though the evidence doesn't show it. Its not whether a character COULD act this way, its whether or not the character IS acting this way. I propose that Jessica and George have no backbone when confronted by their parents and that all the lovey dovey things the witch shows us are red herrings The only time Jessica grows a pair (that the detective witnesses) is after her parents are killed (which for the most part gets her killed or maimed), she mostly stays put if they are still alive like in ep3. Also even though Kinzo's was capable of arranging all of these things it doesn't stop the fact that he was dead before the games start. Also what evidence do you have that Kinzo wanted the successor to be the person that solved the epitaph? A letter by Beatrice? Last edited by Cao Ni Ma; 2010-10-26 at 20:30. |
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2010-10-26, 20:17 | Link #4885 | |
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2010-10-26, 20:20 | Link #4886 |
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Well that's the thing...
People tend to be way too certain of anything they think, arbitrarily deciding which part is the truth, which red can be fought, which are clear and without hidden traps, then there's people's expectations toward Ryukishi himself and the general way the serie will end, and it ends up with thing like this. It'd be much better if more people learned to say something like "I really don't think Battler is the male from 19 years ago because <reasons>" then state these things as if they were facts that didn't even need explanations. It ruins the exchange of idea entirely. |
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It's pretty damn obvious that Kyrie and Asumu had a babyswap, and Battler is actually Kyrie's child raised by Asumu. Can we agree on that for the sake of simplicity? Moving from that premise...well...Kyrie and Asumu delivered at the exact same day. Right after being born, the swap was done so no one was any the wiser. The Man From 19 Years Ago is a baby that Kinzo handed Natsuhi to raise, and after a short period (let's assume a week at minimum), she went all LOL BABY OVER DA CLIFF. So...what, did Kinzo sneak in, steal the baby under Rudolf's nose (using a second baby swap, perhaps?) and then had Natsuhi raise the baby and then she threw it over a cliff and then it was brought to be raised by Asumu on the same day? I'm sorry, but that's stupid, even for small-bombs logic. |
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2010-10-26, 21:07 | Link #4890 |
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I dont even believe that Battler's identity was meant as a truth thats meant to be used to solve the identity of the culprit. In my opinion it was used as a method to psyche him out of the game and for the foreshadowing for his alternative answer to EP5. We know that battler and natsuhi aren't the culprit. So this is a false answer and the real one has yet to be observed.
Also "Kinzo's characterization" isn't proof and the detective solved the mystery in EP5, anything after that is meant to re affirm what we know. ( Or to further cloud our answers if you cant link whats said and done with your theory.) |
2010-10-26, 21:16 | Link #4891 |
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"Characterization" is one of the most useful methods we have to solving the mystery, and is definitely atleast evidence towards the truth. This is how it works in normal mystery novels, and EP7 not-so-subtly implies that it's even more important than the Red.
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2010-10-26, 21:31 | Link #4892 | |
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2010-10-26, 22:03 | Link #4895 | |
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2010-10-26, 22:17 | Link #4896 | |
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2010-10-26, 22:21 | Link #4897 | |
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That he would completely discard characterization in the true plot of Umineko is utterly unthinkable. He's simply not that kind of a writer. |
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2010-10-26, 22:29 | Link #4898 |
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Ryukishi's been railing directly against the idea that the whydunnit doesn't matter almost from the very moment Chiru started. If you think he'd go in for that kind of conclusion, you haven't been paying attention to him.
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2010-10-26, 23:02 | Link #4899 |
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Ryukishi claims the whydunnit is needed to catch the culprit, but Ryukishi also thought that by arc 5 the fans wouldn't know Kinzo is already dead but then everyone guessed it and he revealed it in arc 4.
At the same time even if it is needed to make full sense out of everything, which I agree, it doesn't mean it has to be grandiose. In fact there's no such things as a grandiose reason for mass murder. Edit: It was certainly not needed to catch Higurashi's culprit, and even after we heard her story it didn't excuse the first thing she did. It also had relatively low relation to most arcs and other characters. |
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