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The reason why I'm not giving such slack for Tantei wa Mou, Shindeiru (going with the JP name Tanmoshi) is the fact that it is a rare series that actually get a long premiere episode, not just 2 episodes back to back. This means they had even more leeway to cram content in a more cohesive fashion while keeping the usual episode counts. As such, if a series doesn't give me even room to care about either the characters or the plot after 40-60 minutes, then something is wrong. Again, the introduction is probably not over yet, but if after 2-3 episodes, the series doesn't make you even engaged and curious, then that's on the author, not on the audience. Quote:
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This is where the series didn't really do a good job with its cases: In other detective series such as Hyouka and Kyokou Suiri, even if their respective detective were on the broken side, the investigation and deduction process was clearly present and things weren't blatantly a scenario where they already knew even before it started. I'm not saying those series did a perfect job when it comes to adapting detective narrative into an anime format, and I'm not expert when it comes to detective literature. But those serve as evidence that Tanmoshi could have done better in that department, but just went with Siesta being more than a great detective. Quote:
Yes, Siesta has a rather cute character design and she isn't really obnoxious. But her personality isn't exactly interesting either because she didn't show any sort of nuance with her interactions with Kimi, nor demonstrated "why"' she is such a good detective outside of being overkill in term of specs instead of actual processing cases with her skills. And unfortunately, Kimi is not really the best foil for her. To the contrary, he could be written off completely with barely any consequence, which speaks volume about his lack of presence and relevancy in Tanmoshi. Also, no offense to anyone who truly enjoy Siesta's personality, but I honestly think that if Siesta and Kimi's gender were reversed, Siesta's popularity wouldn't be that great. I'm not saying noe one can possibly think Siesta is interesting, but the fact she is a cute detective girl definitely help when it comes to her appreciation. This also doesn't mean she cannot be a better character, but from my perspective, her initial presentation was all about eye candy, and very little about being an actual detective. Finally, even if a series looks boring at the first glance, it doesn't mean it is trash or can't be any better. But I believe it is disingenuous to immediately talk about positivity and negativity, when it comes to discussing first impressions.
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2021-07-06, 11:38 | Link #83 | ||
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I feel like the central crux of the show was in Siesta and Kimi's relationship and dynamic and how the mystery services that developing rather than being a hardcore mystery show which is why her deductions were more supplementary compared to the action in the first half or the romcom in the second half. Quote:
I don't think you could write off Kimi because the show is about his relationship with Siesta and, now, he's seemingly going to carry forward the mystery solving narrative with her gone as he interacts with the rest of the female cast. Presumably he'll have probably grown more proficient on his own from his experience adventuring with Siesta, at least I would assume. If the genders were reversed...honestly, I'm thinking of the Holmes of Kyoto now .
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2021-07-06, 13:10 | Link #84 |
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And that's exactly why I detailed my beef regarding both the narrative and the characters to illustrate why the series doesn't really captivate me on several angles.
The plot itself doesn't really expand much aside of establishing Siesta's abilities as a detective, and the cases are hardly something to write home about, so the main plot will be more about why/how she "died" while potentially more cases will expose the characters traits. That by itself is somewhat weak when the said cases don't really work on the characters favors for reasons I've mentioned before (which is why I said Kimi could have be written off, as a jab at his role in the plot and how he is presented in general). Meanwhile, characters themselves aren't exactly winning everyone's heart because their interactions are lopsided. That's why I mentioned Kimi not being a good foil for Siesta because 1) Siesta is already established as the super detective (with a lots of bonus) so his role already has little to no potential effect on her 2) Kimi has really no real weight as a character and serve as the really ordinary character dragged there, which is his issue as a character. Again, that's only the first impressions, and the series may address such issues in due time. But with the way how it was portrayed with a double sized episode, you can't really expect everyone to believe in such prospect because the series certainly didn't have the best setup for that. So yeah, bad start for some of us, might be better assuming things aren't as stale as the first episode.
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2021-07-06, 13:19 | Link #85 |
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I have no idea what Holmes of Kyoto is, but there is a reason why (to my knowledge) Holmes is considered a legendary detective, and the plot/setting just calling a girl a "detective" would not bring her near his realm. More like, Niece. You know, when your relative's child comes over and wants to play detective with you. (These are made-up family members for the sake of comparison)
And yeah, this. Then again, the initial "some people saying she's the best girl this season" is an extremely vague comment in the first place. Some people say on the contrary too.
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2021-07-06, 13:23 | Link #86 | |
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And, again, I feel like the importance was more on the interactions and development of Kimi and Siesta's relationship than the actual mystery, which is why I feel like you couldn't write him out. I personally think he's a nice everyman contrast to Siesta, but your mileage may vary.
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2021-07-06, 13:28 | Link #87 |
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I also follow the 3-4 episodes rules to decide if I should continue watching or not, which is exactly the reason why I put emphasis on the length of this episode. What if it was just 20 minutes? Well could be better but we scratched the surface. But as a double episode, it didn't take full advantage of its duration to appeal the audience. Again, "first impressions", not "yeah, going to drop that now".
And I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I mentioned their lopsided interactions and Kimi's presence as my issue I have with their current relationship. Their banter did nothing to me because Kimi just can't stand his ground and loses his assertiveness really quickly. In other words, they were just boring to me because Kimi cannot follow Siesta's pace at all.
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Probably not an exact comparison, just the first thing I thought of .
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In your own words, your perspective as a viewer does not matter with regards to a story's merits like whether it's entertaining or not.
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2021-07-06, 23:45 | Link #93 | |
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And before we get really deep into this tangent, I'll try to close this with a reminder that we're still one episode into Tantei. WEP turned out to be a disaster more than halfway through its run, and there are so many shows with terrible openers. Anything can happen.
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2021-07-07, 01:36 | Link #94 |
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Plot seemed pretty dry in the 1st episode and the direction was below average. Character interaction makes or breaks the show for me and the chemistry between Kimihiko and Siesta was plain horrid. Only thing that looked promising was the animation during the fight scene. I'm just looking forward to seeing/hearing Matsuri in episode 3.
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2021-07-07, 20:44 | Link #95 |
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Had time to watch the entire now...
Guy stands in the bathroom, nacked, girl comes in... The guy " Please tell me the merits of the job" The only correct answer here would be: "Well first, we've got HR." The Pizza thing was a low blow though. I must also admit, I didn't expect this to turn into a drug story... When I saw the bag I expected something entirely different, especially since she pitied him.
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2021-07-09, 02:54 | Link #98 |
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Ugh, where to start. Some points have already mentioned in the thread. Kimi being practically useless to the plot of the episode. The author thinking they're writing smart/witty banter, but clearly has no clue what that actually sounds like, so it just comes off as trite, boring, and pretentious. Then the weird story direction, like that cosplay scene. So you mean to tell me that they had time to have a discussion, change clothes, take pictures and run through the halls and the bad guy still couldn't get away?! Also, the author doesn't understand how drug dealing works. You don't have addicts sell your drugs, not if you actually want to make money.
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