Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Kuroi Hadou]

Originally Posted by CBredbeard

As long as it has the fuel to maintain thrust, shouldn't it be able to accelerate indefinitely?

As long as it has the propellant, yes. Time frame of acceleration is different from rate of acceleration. The rate of acceleration is the fastest the Freedom's thrusters can accelerate the Freedom, which for the insane 20 Gs I set it as is 196.2 m/s squared. If the Freedom accelerated at 20 Gs for 20 seconds, it would be traveling at a speed of almost 4,000 m/s after those twenty seconds. The time frame of acceleration, aka burn time, is those 20 seconds the Freedom had its thrusters active.

This is where deltaV budget is so important: The amount of onboard fuel the craft needs to achieve a specific mission. If the Freedom needs a budget of over 7,000 m/s but only has a basic capacity of even 6,000 m/s, it's not getting where it needs to go. That's where external propellant tanks and boosters come in so handy. Similarly, if the Freedom's max thrust was 20 Gs and it accelerated for those 20 seconds, it would have used up 4,000 m/s of it's deltaV budget, or over half. Past the point of no return, if you want to say it like that. It'd have 2000 m/s left in its budget, which would mean it could handle another acceleration period of 20 Gs for ~10 seconds before it was almost completely out of fuel.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

As long as it has the propellant, yes.

Well, thank you. That's my point all along. Everything else is just guesswork as we don't really know the Freedom's spec, but the scene itself does not imply that the Freedom's inability to go to space is a factor.

[CBredbeard]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

As long as it has the propellant, yes. Time frame of acceleration is different from rate of acceleration. The rate of acceleration is the fastest the Freedom's thrusters can accelerate the Freedom, which for the insane 20 Gs I set it as is 196.2 m/s squared. If the Freedom accelerated at 20 Gs for 20 seconds, it would be traveling at a speed of almost 4,000 m/s after those twenty seconds. The time frame of acceleration, aka burn time, is those 20 seconds the Freedom had its thrusters active.

This is where deltaV budget is so important: The amount of onboard fuel the craft needs to achieve a specific mission. If the Freedom needs a budget of over 7,000 m/s but only has a basic capacity of even 6,000 m/s, it's not getting where it needs to go. That's where external propellant tanks and boosters come in so handy. Similarly, if the Freedom's max thrust was 20 Gs and it accelerated for those 20 seconds, it would have used up 4,000 m/s of it's deltaV budget, or over half. Past the point of no return, if you want to say it like that. It'd have 2000 m/s left in its budget, which would mean it could handle another acceleration period of 20 Gs for ~10 seconds before it was almost completely out of fuel.

But we don't know the limits or nature of the fuel the Freedom uses. Or in any Gundam series really. It's clearly not good ole liquid oxygen. Obviously it's much more powerful pound for pound.

I suppose what we could do is figure out flight times for the various vehicles in the series.

I think the Strike swam for around six hours while searching for Cagalli. That limit alluded to a battery life, but let's assume it also meant propellant.

Do we know how long Archangel went between refuelings when it made it's world tour in Seed?

Freedom was able to leave Plant and accelerate to a speed that allowed it to reach Alaska in a couple days I think? Considering that Kira is in a hurry we could assume he pushed Freedom to it's limits.

What kind of numbers can be gathered from these incidents?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by CBredbeard

I think the Strike swam for around six hours while searching for Cagalli. That limit alluded to a battery life, but let's assume it also meant propellant.

I don’t think so. IIRC Murrue told Kira to “Come back after two hours regardless of the result of the search to rest (and most probably to refuel Strike) and try again after that.” and Kira obeyed it. He just didn’t rest properly after that, which is why Mu scolded him. So, Strike didn’t swim for six hours straight at least.

[CBredbeard]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I don’t think so. IIRC Murrue told Kira to “Come back after two hours regardless of the result of the search to rest (and most probably to refuel Strike) and try again after that.” and Kira obeyed it. He just didn’t rest properly after that, which is why Mu scolded him. So, Strike didn’t swim for six hours straight at least.

He didn't obey it. He stayed out as long as Strike allowed. I think?

And I really think the incident with Freedom flying from Plant to Earth is a good indicator of what kind of range it has. He isn't assisted at all when leaving Plant. There is no catapult. Freedom flies straight up a shaft and out of the hangar.

Kira is in a hurry, so he'd push Freedom as hard as he could. The only limitations being that he needs to re-enter the atmosphere and be able to stop his descent before burning up or crashing into the planet and the expectation that he'll need to fight once he arrives. With the former, you can assume he could put on the brakes shortly before arriving, but that would eat up as much fuel as he spent in getting to the planet.

So what kind of time-table do we have? Kira has to start at Plant which is half way to the moon and reach earth. In the show, I think it changes depending on what version you watch. In the original I think it takes him a couple days. In the special edition a couple hours?

[Aquaman OS]

Plus as I said not only does he go that far without refueling, but he then proceeds to immediately fight a massive battle mostly by himself, and then pedal's to the metal to avoid a big explosion.....and then when offered to refuel he refuses and threatens to leave in it if they pry for its secrets, and says he can take it far far away. Granted he relents and lets them bring it to the hangar when they make it clear they aren't planning on giving the NJC to the EA but still.

Justice meanwhile goes the same length and then follows Kira all the way to Orb, and then fights at least one battle, maybe 3 as it doesn't look like Justice got any mantainance until they were up in space.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

I'm not so sure about that.

Seed started in CE 71, and from my understanding CE 1 was actually 2015. So CE 71 would be 2086. Even so, if tech advanced at a similar rate as it did from 1915 to 1986 who knows what may be possible.

it would be even more than that technological advancement. don't forget that coordinators are really advanced and basically set the bar on technology. as well as the rate of advancement during the 2 wars shot up in massive degrees.

[The American Average]

Since this thread usually has heated debates how about something a little different, something i haven't seen on this board in awhile at least. What is your favorite mobile suit in the Cosmic Era. doesn't matter if its in anime, manga, novel, or games.

for me my favorite suits are: Akatsuki, Dreadnought, Zaku Phantom Slash Wizard, and Stargazer

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by The American Average

Since this thread usually has heated debates how about something a little different, something i haven't seen on this board in awhile at least. What is your favorite mobile suit in the Cosmic Era. doesn't matter if its in anime, manga, novel, or games.

for me my favorite suits are: Akatsuki, Dreadnought, Zaku Phantom Slash Wizard, and Stargazer

My Top 10

1. Saviour/Vent Saviour
2. Destiny (Heine Colors)
3. Astray Red Frame/Gold Frame (Tie, red is classic but I like the normal Gold alot)
4. Freedom (first one :P)
5. Strike (Classic
6. Strike Noir (baddddasssssss)
7. Strike Freedom (dont like the DRAGOONS much, preferred the MiMAT wings)
8. Legend
9. Blitz
10. Calamity


And a special mention

Spoiler for For teh lulz:

R2-D2

[monster]

Originally Posted by The American Average

Since this thread usually has heated debates how about something a little different, something i haven't seen on this board in awhile at least. What is your favorite mobile suit in the Cosmic Era. doesn't matter if its in anime, manga, novel, or games.

for me my favorite suits are: Akatsuki, Dreadnought, Zaku Phantom Slash Wizard, and Stargazer

Blitz is my favorite CE mobile suit.

That said, there is a more generic thread for this type of question: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=22529

And it just so happened to be created because of the original release of Destiny.

[The American Average]

yes i know there are threads all over the place for "favorite robot" but for the last, what 20 pages, has been nothing but back and forth bickering, i would like to change the atmosphere for at least 1 page.

[S.Freedom]

Hmm, favorite ms' huh?

1, Savior (Athrun under used the thing)<.<
2. Freedom
3. Guaiz R (it had potential imo)
4. I. Justice (would've looked better without the physical shield imo)
5. Chaos
6. Astray (needs more love)

For some reason I like the under used suits more than the better used ones. Well the Freedom excluded anyway.

[quagmire]

1. Strike
2. Freedom
3. Aegis
4. Verde Buster
5. Strike Noir

[Destined_Fate]

I prefer a Top 5.

1) Destiny
2) Impulse + Packs
3) Akatsuki
4) Savior
5) Strike Noire

[RES-01 Perses Gundam]

1. Blitz
2. Aegis
3. Destiny
4. Strike Noir
5. Stargazer

I have an aversion towards MS painted in the standard red-blue-white color scheme. And practicality in the suit's design as well as a solid basis for its existence triumph all other reasons.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Andrew? Isn't that the guy that died in the desert in SEED and has been haunting everyone as a ghost ever since?

It IS the CE timeline, where the following can happen:

• You can survive a blast from an anti-fortress cannon (made of antimatter). Then again, it's only effective against fortresses.
• Survive a point-blank explosion in a mobile suit. And before you bring up Heero Yuy, he was knocked into a coma for a month, and even after waking up, he was still hurt.
• The amount of screentime a character gets depends on how popular he/she is on the character polls
• Joining the TSA gives you diplomatic immunity
• Your actions are justified because "my sister is crying her heart out!"

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

It IS the CE timeline, where the following can happen:

• You can survive a blast from an anti-fortress cannon (made of antimatter). Then again, it's only effective against fortresses.
• Survive a point-blank explosion in a mobile suit. And before you bring up Heero Yuy, he was knocked into a coma for a month, and even after waking up, he was still hurt.
• The amount of screentime a character gets depends on how popular he/she is on the character polls
• Joining the TSA gives you diplomatic immunity
• Your actions are justified because "my sister is crying her heart out!"

I keep reading your list but I cant help but feel you are forgetting something....I just cant place my finger on it.........

[I Fail at Life]

]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

[*] You can survive a blast from an anti-fortress cannon (made of antimatter). Then again, it's only effective against fortresses.

Except he never actually got hit point-black by Genesis. What was depicted was to show he barely got out the way.

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

[*]Survive a point-blank explosion in a mobile suit. And before you bring up Heero Yuy, he was knocked into a coma for a month, and even after waking up, he was still hurt.

Except that has a explanation even if you have to go read Astray.

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

[*]The amount of screentime a character gets depends on how popular he/she is on the character polls

Destiny should not have been made in the first place.

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

[*]Joining the TSA gives you diplomatic immunity

Except it dosen't, your"SAYING" it does.

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

[*]Your actions are justified because "my sister is crying her heart out!"

Except no one uses this as justification. Go watch that scene again.

[S.Freedom]

Originally Posted by I Fail at Life

]Except he never actually got hit point-black by Genesis. What was depicted was to show he barely got out the way.

Uh he was talking about Mu surviving the Lohengrin positron blaster cannon shot from the Dominion. Genesis is an entirely different weapon in that it fires a gamma ray blast.

[I Fail at Life]

Originally Posted by S.Freedom

Uh he was talking about Mu surviving the Lohengrin positron blaster cannon shot from the Dominion. Genesis is an entirely different weapon in that it fires a gamma ray blast.

Guess it was my fault for getting tripped up on who he was talking about.