2013-07-14, 01:29 | Link #29381 |
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Neighborhood Watches are fine. We have one in most of our suburbs, and I think it's infinitely better than your neighbors walking past not giving a damn as your house is blatantly pillaged (although I guess with legal guns thrown into the mix things get murkier). 'Taking the law into your own hands' has been around ever since the law itself was set up because it was set up by humans, and therefore has failings in all aspects from legislation to enforcement. Not condoning it in all cases by any stretch, just putting that out there.
The one thing I do have problems with however is how 'stand your ground' has been interpreted. As far as I know it mostly only applies when one is on one's own private property doesn't it? Does Florida have some wack variation which extends it further?
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2013-07-14, 01:33 | Link #29382 |
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Pretty much the reason why the state had to let him get away with it... Heck, some of you may remember this guy was formerly charged several days later after the story broke and created a massive uproar nationwide. The local law enforcement, at first, cleared him of any criminal wrong doing, and rightly so since Florida just adopted this new law. After the uproar, the chief for that local LE was the scapegoat and was disgraced and fired for not taking any action.
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2013-07-14, 01:36 | Link #29383 |
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I'm just glad this case is over. To be honest, I was slightly hoping Zimmerman would be acquitted, solely because his case was so overly exaggerated into a civil rights thing.
But anyways, I don't have much problem with the results. The prosecution failed to prove without a doubt that Zimmerman committed manslaughter or murder to the jury, whom both sides had an opportunity to select.
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2013-07-14, 07:22 | Link #29386 | |
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The whole situation is really a messy tragedy. My impression is that Zimmerman and Martin both made some bad decisions that night - It sadly cost Martin his life, while Zimmerman's life will never be the same. I think it's important to note that even with this acquittal, it's highly unlikely that Zimmerman will ever enjoy a normal life again. So he is paying some cost for his bad decisions that cost a young man his life.
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2013-07-14, 07:35 | Link #29387 |
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Somehow this feels bittersweet about the whole thing. While Zimmerman may have been acquitted, i doubt anyone would want him to join any Neighborhood Watch again due to his extreme actions with Martin. No one is taking a chance if he does something like this again.
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2013-07-14, 08:37 | Link #29389 | |
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I still personally feel that Zimmerman was culpable for Martin's death. Zimmerman was the guy who got out of his vehicle while armed, intent on pursuing someone he thought of as being a "fucking criminal". Once you do something like that, you need to bear personal culpability.
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2013-07-14, 08:57 | Link #29390 | |
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Both individuals made bad decisions, so I don't think that Zimmerman alone should bear full culpability for Martin's death.
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2013-07-14, 08:58 | Link #29391 |
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The letter of the law is still the law, whether the law is itself is moral or not, so even if the morality of the law is up for the debate its enforcement isn't.
Meaning that for all intents and purposes even if the moral case can be argued that he indeed acted grossly beyond what was realistically necessary at the time, he is legally protected because the law allowed his actions to be justified, at least legally speaking. So in the end the jury probably actually did the right thing, legally speaking. Doesn't change the fact that the law is stupid, but a stupid law is the law nonetheless and has to be followed until the time that it can be changed. And really, it needs to be changed.
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2013-07-14, 09:07 | Link #29392 | |
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Nations Buying as Hackers Sell Flaws in Computer Code
No more giving away bugs for the good of mankind. Today's hackers want cold cash for discovered vulnerabilities (especially zero-days), and governments around the world are lining up to pay them. Quote:
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2013-07-14, 09:16 | Link #29393 |
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Norway's island shooting survivors run for parliament
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96905E20130710 As glacier melts, secrets of lost military plane revealed http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9690EC20130710
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2013-07-14, 09:27 | Link #29394 | ||
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That's why I have a hard time taking the Zimmerman trial seriously as a self defense issue. A true self defense advocate would argue that if you found yourself being pursued by an unidentified person in the middle of the night, you'd have reasonable reason to think your safety was at risk. And that you'd have latitude in trying to defend yourself. People defending Zimmerman are actually arguing against peoples right to self defense when you think about it practically. Quote:
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2013-07-14, 09:34 | Link #29395 | |
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Soooo... seeing Zimmerman fiasco above, has anyone posted the news on neighborhood search gone RIGHT?
Two young boys on bike, responding to Amber Alert, rescues a child from a kidnapper. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...car-BIKES.html Quote:
Great job, young Temar Boggs and your anonymous friend.
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Both individuals here made bad decisions, so to say that either is solely responsible for Martin's death strikes me as quite the stretch. Quote:
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2013-07-14, 09:39 | Link #29397 | ||
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I hadn't heard that the kids were on bicycles though. That's pretty ballsy when you consider the mass difference involved. Or the fact a kidnapper might be potentially armed. Thank god the guy panicked by tossing the kid out of the vehicle safely though. Pretty ballsy though. I hope the boys managed to get the plate number for the car so they can catch the bastard. Quote:
Though the real test is this. If Martin had been a legal concealed weapons carrier, and the cops had arrived to have found Zimmerman shot dead with Martin claiming self defense, would Martin's claim seem more believable than the IRL self defense claim made by Zimmerman?
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2013-07-14, 10:03 | Link #29398 | |
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Certainly, something should be done to minimize the likelihood of something like this happening again. Like MeoTwister said, the law probably needs to be changed.
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2013-07-14, 10:05 | Link #29399 | |
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Not to mention, the boy already paid the ultimate price for his decisions.
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2013-07-14, 10:07 | Link #29400 | |
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