2008-11-17, 21:25 | Link #1321 | |
Inactive Member
Join Date: Nov 2007
|
Quote:
Also, every group needs it's own little spoilt brat. I'm no fan of Luke's over-reliance on Van; but it'll probably change him for the better, given the betrayal and whatnot |
|
2008-11-17, 21:42 | Link #1322 | |
User of the "Fast Draw"
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2008-11-17, 23:52 | Link #1324 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
|
this is a pretty good adaptation of the game playing out exactly as it should. Oh by the way all of you Luke haters you should hate him that just proves that this is a good adaptation :P
Spoiler for Tales of the abyss 8 and maybe plot spoiler.:
__________________
|
2008-11-18, 02:29 | Link #1326 |
...huh?
Join Date: Jul 2003
|
Hm, if this wasn't Luke we know, but just some other 7 year-old kid who actually looks seven and possesses some sort of destructive power, with his only father figure someone like Van whose sole reason in getting close to him was to manipulate him for said power...would you be pissed off with the kid? Sure, his attitude is bad even for a 7 year-old (I've seen 3 year-olds who behave better xD) which makes you want to smack him upside the head like his parents should have but in the end, you'd blame the parents and/or the guardian, wouldn't you? So I'm guessing it's most likely because Luke doesn't look like he's seven that people find it easier to blame him. It's only natural, I suppose. It'd be impossible, however, for him to not grow up after the events in episode 8 so those who have written him off now might want to re-evaluate him later. I imagine his dozen or so fans will increase significantly then. =)
Still, there is a lot less bashing than I expected. Quite a bunch of deep thinkers here, I see. xD |
2008-11-18, 03:06 | Link #1327 | |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
|
Quote:
Before the game was even out~ After the game was out~ |
|
2008-11-18, 03:33 | Link #1328 | |
User of the "Fast Draw"
|
Quote:
How people see him will depend on the overall trip.
__________________
|
|
2008-11-18, 03:37 | Link #1329 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Texas
|
I thought this episode was going to be shown with episode 9 this coming weekend. I enjoyed watching this episode since it is the start of a turning point for Luke. I have to agree, his break down was done better than what the game did. I was wondering if they were going to animate that part with the child, but I was glad that part was passed over. Looks like the preview for the next episode has Luke making a change in his life.
|
2008-11-18, 03:38 | Link #1330 | |
Not an expert on things
Join Date: Jun 2007
|
Quote:
I'm surprised too. I expected more Luke bashing, if only because Sunrise did a good job of portraying him as a selfish jerk in the last episode. I laugh at the popularity chart, since it convinces me that the majority of Tales of... fans are girls, even if it's just my prejudice. I'm amazed that Natalia is behind Anise, Ion, and Sync though. Isn't it sad, Natalia? Ah, can't wait for episode 9. |
|
2008-11-18, 06:08 | Link #1331 |
...huh?
Join Date: Jul 2003
|
^It /does/ sound that way, doesn't it? Oops. How very politically incorrect of me. Condescendence wasn't what I had in mind but if I sounded that way, my apologies. I do, however, think bashing and criticizing are two different things. And, by bashing, I had more, "Oh! That Luke is so bloody annoying, I don't care what his situation is, he deserves to die just because he's an annoying prat who refuses to grow up" in my mind, which in case it's clear that that line of thinking is more immediate feeling and less actual thinking.
Nothing wrong with that either, as long as it's anime. People still have the right to bash. Anime is also about feeling, after all. Some of us don't like having to think about it too much. I have prepared myself to be amused but the unexpected low count of it is actually rather...sobering, I must say. |
2008-11-18, 06:38 | Link #1332 | ||
~ You're dead ^__^* ~
Graphic Designer
|
Quote:
Quote:
I don't buy the "7 year old" excuse at all. It is a very psychological thing that he is treated like a teen and therefore will act like one. The "7 years" excuse only contributes to his lack of experience but seriously, he is a pampered prince in the first place so perhaps no amount of years experience living in the palace would make him grow up. Blame the parents but the kid also holds responsibility for his own actions...especially when there are already others telling him to stop acting like a brat but does he ever listen?
__________________
|
||
2008-11-18, 07:18 | Link #1333 |
Anime Hobbyist
Join Date: Dec 2004
|
It really is a matter of poor communication skills though. If Luke wasn't so defensive about it, then he'd come across as a victim better. Constantly pushing away others and you expect everyone else to be frank with you? That's just not logical, even for friends. Also, it's not like anyone chided him or anything. A silent treatment and a few comments? psh. Asch put it to him like someone should have. And again, it seems like most of Luke's old friends are recalling the kinder, more understanding Luke of the past anyway. So the replica really came off as a replica in the end. No surprise. Also, I'm guessing the reason why master Ion was a bit gloomy too was because he knows he was a part of it. And I think it's pretty obvious that everyone knows that Van is the reason for it by now. Typical turning point moment in RPGs, but it had to happen. For it to be animated with such subtlety.. I loved it.
|
2008-11-18, 07:32 | Link #1334 |
Burn ya git!
Join Date: Jul 2007
|
Ah, but therein lies the problem. If you just tell a kid to stop acting like a brat, they act up worse. Then along comes Mr Understanding, calm, patient, and most importantly DOESN'T treat you like an idiot. Hell, ADULTS would follow what that guy says under those circumstances, let alone a confused child.
|
2008-11-18, 07:38 | Link #1335 |
We're Back
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Redgrave City
Age: 35
|
I think whether is it being fair to Luke or not doesn't matter, he needs to have this rude awakening now. If anything the rest of the party had been too tolerant for too long. If they don't crush him now, who knows for how long is he going to keep up this stunt of his? And what if he does something worse next time?
__________________
|
2008-11-18, 07:51 | Link #1336 | |
Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
|
Quote:
Sticking the greneric "emo" etiquette (could also be "Mary Sue", etc) to characters you don't like just because you don't want to think of a valid reason for your hatred is very annoying, especially because in 90% of the cases the character doesn't even fit the definition of the word. Luke, emo? He's like one of the most cheerful character of this story (Anise and Mieu competing for first place, of course) ! So what if he sometimes gets sad/feels guilty? That's normal feelings, after all. Everyone has those at some point. I don't see how it could be signs of emo-ness. (PS : generic "you", of course ) |
|
2008-11-18, 08:11 | Link #1337 | |
from head to heel
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 42
|
Quote:
Luke may be seven years old, but you can't judge him in the same way you would judge a seven year old human being. As a replica, the rules of maturation are vastly different. One being, that their mental growth isn't proportionate to their actual physical appearance. They're practically copies (not exactly clones) after all, so if you create a replica from an old man, you'll get an old man with a mind of an infant for the first few days or so, depending on how you treat him and how he matures. Luke may be seven years old, but he learned to be a bratty, spoiled, seventeen year old noble inexperienced with the outside world, and he definitely acts like one. |
|
2008-11-18, 08:20 | Link #1338 | |
Beautiful fighter.
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
Age: 37
|
Quote:
But yeah, people are right when saying that this had to happen, including the group saying what they did to Luke after it happened. Also like i said, Luke finding out he is a replica of Asch was perfect timing. I look forward to seeing what type of person Luke will become because of these events.
__________________
|
|
2008-11-18, 09:38 | Link #1339 | ||
...huh?
Join Date: Jul 2003
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
Tags |
fantasy |
|
|