Macross Frontier (Macross 25) general discussion [No Spoilers]

[Westlo]

Yay subforum ftw

Originally Posted by Shiroth

1 episode against 25 episodes, that's pretty fare don't you think?

True, I didn't even think Kenji Kawai's 00 score was his best in 07 for one... if Kaoishin ever watches an I.G production he'll see what I mean.

[Jett]

I feel a little disappointed after seeing the episode, there is more Space-Dominatrix and less VFs doing *boom*.

I prefer the Deculture version. It has a better balance between history/action IMO.

P.D. Annd yeah, Subforum!

[DonQuigleone]

Could it be that the more we ask, the less likely we are to get it

[Mgz]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Yay subforum ftw



True, I didn't even think Kenji Kawai's 00 score was his best in 07 for one... if Kaoishin ever watches an I.G production he'll see what I mean.

YES YES YES, finally XD

so do we have a list of different between the recently aired edition and the deculture edition yet XD ? where is our eagle eyes GTO and his holy water

[DonQuigleone]

Whoohoo, got a subforum, perhaps I was too hasty...

[Onizuka-GTO]

*brings out microphone*

Oboete 'maaasu ka Me to me ga atta toooki woooooooo


Oboete 'masu ka Te to te ga fureatta tooooki

Soooore wa hajimete no ai no tabidachi deshitaaaaaa


I LOVE YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

*gasp*

Banzai....

MACROSS BANZAI!!!!!



*fling and dribble holy macross lubrication everywhere/slips*



right, time to explore the other threads, and guide the children to the true light!!

*picks up microphone/sings*

It´s NEW FRONTIER Sou sa Ore-tachi koko ni iru toooo!

Kane wo uchiiiiinarase Woo Woo!

It's NEW FRONTIER Da kara moooottoooo!

Mune ni hi wo tsukero Kakegae no nai mono tokihanatsu SAAAAA!

[leongsh]

Someone bring a straitjacket, Onizuka-GTO has really done it this time. Watching Macross Frontier has taken him past the sanity borderline

[orion]

I think that a forum purification rite is needed.

Now wash away all those bad vibes (Gundam 00, R******h) and let's just discuss Macross.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by leongsh

Someone bring a straitjacket, Onizuka-GTO has really done it this time. Watching Macross Frontier has taken him past the sanity borderline

hahah. sorry. i got it back under control.

back when i was a wee lad, i was frequent on the Macross World Forum, but due to my fanaticism i got banned for life.

But trust Macross to make me lose temporary control.

curse you Macross! Well luckily i'm older and wiser now.

*discreetly rub Macross purity oil all over the doors and walls*

to get back on topic, an interesting thing i noticed from the overview of the paths of the colony fleets is the location of the 21st Fleet that is quite close to the 25th, its interesting, it could be deliberate. the 21st fleet could of been diverted to provide a refugee point for the 25th. We know the UN federation is aware of SOMETHING near the galactic core.

It might even be contingent plan, a reserve to bring together with the 25th fleet for a new front against hostile aliens.

also interesting is that 21st fleet is one of the original from Earth, unlike the 25th which is a second wave, specifically from Eden.


perhaps myths, old files from zentradi/protoculture source?

when you look closely at the enemy vehicles, they remind me of Zentradi battlesuits.

which is an accurate description as they are more or less spacesuits modified and equipped for space battle.

[Cadorna]

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh our own forumm jejejeje

[pinoy78]

Thanks for the sub forum.

Finally a new Macross tv series to talk about with others...

[WaytoDawn]

I haven't been watching much of macross so i don't know much of the whole story, but i've got to say, this surely is one of the best mecha anime i have seen thus far. The first episode alone pretty much intrest me more than Gundam 00.

On a separate note, fellow modellers rejoyce!!! Bandai has finally resume making macross kits!

Spoiler for VF-25 model and info:

[faustianideals]

I pray to god this series isn't linked to any other Macross series. While it may be cool for the hardcore fans of the series to giggle and gawk at references to the other shows in the series, it'll certainly be awkward for people like me to get into this one.

[Ottocycle]

Originally Posted by faustianideals

I pray to god this series isn't linked to any other Macross series. While it may be cool for the hardcore fans of the series to giggle and gawk at references to the other shows in the series, it'll certainly be awkward for people like me to get into this one.

I'm sure that while Frontier is chock-full of references to the past series, it is not that which carries the show. Frontier definitely will have a backbone of its own, in order for it to appeal to the younger fans that will watch it on tv without any knowledge of the prior ones. To not incorporate it would be marketing suicide.

I, for one haven't watched anything past 1 episode of Plus, and Zero, and the first episode of Frontier certainly proves that I can enjoy it as well as any one who hasn't been acquainted with the franchise, since it does the customary introductions for any series during its start.

[faustianideals]

Originally Posted by humbug23

the first episode of Frontier certainly proves that I can enjoy it as well as any one who hasn't been acquainted with the franchise.

Definitely The deculture version of the first episode was amazing. I'm waiting for a sub of the new version, but I am looking forward to watching this series. It was just oh so very awkward to try and talk about a character and all that you would hear about it are attempts at relating it to past characters. Very frustrating!

[Westlo]

Your amazing first episode had heaps of references to past series, I guess them going over your head didn't hurt your enjoyment level. I don't think a single reference to a past series in Deculture hurt the show for new fans but that's just me.

Also in regards to characters being "linked" to past versions you do realize that would go on even if this had nothing to do with every previous Macross series and was set in an alternate universe?

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by faustianideals

Definitely The deculture version of the first episode was amazing. I'm waiting for a sub of the new version, but I am looking forward to watching this series. It was just oh so very awkward to try and talk about a character and all that you would hear about it are attempts at relating it to past characters. Very frustrating!

You shouldn't have to worry about this very much. Most of the events in the previous shows happened decades ago, and in-universe, a lot of the younger characters have a hard time themselves believing the stories they were told of those events, (And most of what they know seemed to have come from the movie!). The only thing that having watched the previous shows seem to do is to make it more of a richer, more immersive experience.

Based on what we know of the characters, there seems to be only a single one that is related to an pre-existing character. Even then, she'd be so removed from the events of those character that it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference whether there was a relationship or not.

Another useful thing is that, due to the relative isolation of Macross Frontier, it isn't very likely for older characters to show up. Of the older shows, I think that only Macross 7 characters have any chance of doing so; and they'd have bit parts at best.

Originally Posted by Westlo

Your amazing first episode had heaps of references to past series, I guess them going over your head didn't hurt your enjoyment level. I don't think a single reference to a past series in Deculture hurt the show for new fans but that's just me.

That's partly what I loved about the episode: nifty tidbits like that trash robot, the holographic clothing, and the hand-motion visualization remain nifty even if they didn't contain any references to the previous works. Knowing where it comes from just adds to the fun.

[Onizuka-GTO]

I won#t be so sure about "links to old characters", you forget that colony fleet M-GALAXY the 21st is quite close, since it is a colony fleet from Earth and not from Eden.
If they want to, they could drag up a descendant from past, by having them transfer over from that colony to the 25th.

granted not from Macross 7, but perhaps a descendant from maximus, who knows? the possibilities are endless.

the fact they open a lot to speculation. fertile ground. i like.

[4Tran]

Even with Macross Galaxy close by (and close is a very relative term when we're dealing with intra-galactic distances perhaps thousands of light years apart), it's extremely unlikely for it to have any characters that were in other Macross shows. Any descendants and the like would be still be characters new to the franchise. The only ones of this nature I'm interested in seeing with more than pure cameo appearances would be the Jenius daughters that haven't been animated before.

[hga]

Originally Posted by Jett

I feel a little disappointed after seeing the episode, there is more Space-Dominatrix and less VFs doing *boom*.

I prefer the Deculture version. It has a better balance between history/action IMO.

I'm quite disappointed; expanding on your and others' comments:

While the added OP and "Space-Dominatrix" ^_^ stuff was good and needed, the extreme cuts in the action that were required to get all this into 24-5 minutes, plus the resulting massive changes in music direction has robbed this version of rather a lot, e.g.:

How unstoppable the advance of this implacable enemy feels.

The corresponding buildup of tension as this unfolds.

The determined spirit of the defenders (escort ships, SMS and Alto, due to the changed music and a few cuts of the latters' action sequences).

This version has substantially less impact and ... quality; if I'd watched it first, I suspect I wouldn't have gotten hardly as excited about the series. Fortunately, going forward they can do better, we know from the Deculture edition that they're capable of it.

Sigh. the director really painted himself into a corner with a over length and incomplete preview episode with an ending that could not be moved (e.g. into the next episode). Hopefully we'll see a good director's cut that melds what was left on the cutting room floor and the new animation, while retaining the fantastic music direction of the original.

Or we'll just have to combine the both in our heads....

- Harold