2012-11-16, 02:19 | Link #1301 | |
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I'm more just excited about the possibility of prototype tanks at all irrespective of combat records or their supposed abilities. Also, there have been prototypes with actual combat records - just look at the T26E4 ( ).
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2012-11-16, 06:28 | Link #1303 | |
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2012-11-16, 07:39 | Link #1304 | ||
is this so?
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Watched episode 5.5:
Some information about the main characters and their favorite tanks. Not very surprising that Mako's motto is something related to sleeping. Also found some funny quotes of people at Nyaa on Commie's version. Quote:
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2012-11-16, 08:37 | Link #1305 | |
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From the analysis of the blitzkrieg, American planners concluded that tanks were the master to make and take advantage of the rupture of enemy lines. For this was not necessary that the tanks had a very powerful gun, but more importantly a good mobility, range and reliability. On the other side, to opposing the inevitable counterattacks by enemy armored forces, it was thought that the anti-tank units with tank destroyers (unarmored sherman chassis with 90mm cannon and after 76mm) and towed guns, would be able to benefit from enhanced mobility that gave them the lack of armor would be able to anticipate these counterattacks and defeat the enemy tanks thanks to a better location (to come before and choose their positions in ambush) and better weapons on tank destroyers compared the to enemy medium tank. In practice this doctrine proved inadequate and tank destroyers were most used as infantry support (such as German Stug) for which there were unadequate for their lack of armor, while the tanks proved to be the best anti-tank weapon available. The UK on the other hand had the problem of a smaller industrial base, and the need to produce enough units (UK was at war continuously since 1940) to reequip and replace loses, therefore all their arms were incremental developments of existing models, which limited the time and resources available for the development of new weapons. Last edited by Zaku_II; 2012-11-16 at 14:37. Reason: typo |
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2012-11-16, 11:13 | Link #1307 |
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Looks like Ep 5.5 included some new scenes, or rather a couple new camera angles on scenes, a couple examples I noticed, was the the elevator sneak attack, was shown from the side, and the first person view of the tank hitting the store, there were probably a few more, I just didn't catch them.
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2012-11-16, 11:19 | Link #1308 | |
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2012-11-16, 12:15 | Link #1309 |
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Hmm so 5.5 summarized all the ED tanks into one ED. Truly everything was an edit-together, even the ending. I still prefer the Panzer IV(?) ED from episode 2. The wobbling of the tank really made it look like pudding... a pudding with adorable chibis on it. Jesus, save us all! Wonder if they'll come up with something new in the next ED (just a new tank would be fine).
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2012-11-16, 12:47 | Link #1310 | ||
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Hell, the mere thought that you've seen it makes me shudder - Tak (Tsunami is not pleased)
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While the general preception is that American tanks were terrible against German tanks, but the combat record suggests that they did fairly well overall. I'd say it's more of a case of having some decent ideas, and then going about it wrong. Quote:
Nuh-uh, Tsusami is totally pleased. She gets to play a much larger role in Pretty Sammy than in the Tenchi OVAs, TV shows and movies unless you count the third OVA. Besides, it's a good show, basically Nanoha long before Nanoha came out, and with Washuu as an American. Pixy Misa is pretty awesome as well.
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2012-11-16, 18:14 | Link #1312 | |
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2012-11-16, 23:56 | Link #1315 |
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What do you get if you mix 08th team with Girls und Panzer?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19305079
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2012-11-17, 01:27 | Link #1316 | |
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The US was also somewhat tricked by the Germans as they had also originally planed to use the same type of setup with infantry support tanks (PzIV) and tank destroyers (PzIII). But they had already realised this mistake at the start of the war (39), but had yet to get the change in doctrine into production. But as what they used seemed to work so well with Blizkrieg so did the US think that this was the way to go and totally missed what kind of changes that Germany did to later versions of those tanks and the newer tank designs. There is really no point in specialising a turreted tank for infantry support as the turret isn't really a feature needed to do that. That role is much better filled with SPG's as they can mount much larger caliber howitzers on the same chassis. It doesn't hurt that you lose very little in the area of infantry support by focusing on making sure the anti-tank capability is there as you will still be able to fire HE of only marginally less effectiveness. In the end so are infantry more common then enemy armor, so even tank destoyers tended to use more HE shells then armor piercing ones. It's just that when you met enemy armor, then the gun you have would be vital. As a side note so were the StugIII one of the top performers in tank destroying in WW2 as it was cheap to make and good at what it did. It's a bit of contrast as Germany are often chided for making uneconomic tanks during the war, but the StugIII is an exception to that for sure. |
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2012-11-17, 01:56 | Link #1317 | |
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Just because the designs never saw combat doesn't mean they wouldn't have been good, nor are they uninteresting.
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2012-11-17, 02:23 | Link #1318 | |
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2012-11-17, 06:01 | Link #1319 | |
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2012-11-17, 06:33 | Link #1320 | |
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Those are also just specific design problems and not a general rule. If the turret were correctly designed for the right gun from the start so would there be no problem with the room. It's also quite possible to have as large HE charges for the anti-tank gun as long as the design is well made and alows for lighter propellant charges for HE shots. |
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